Why Are So Many People Fearing The Trilogy Curse??

[FlawlessVictory]

- Search the art book. Go to amazon, go to spider-man 3, then look at the making of and art book... and no- it's not "crap"- it's the TRUTH.

In The Spider-Man Chronicles, author and Spider-Man 3 producer Grant Curtis provides unmatched insider access to the devoted Spider-Man fan. Curtis has hand selected a phenomenal collection of unpublished concept art, sketches, models, and his own behind-the-scenes photography, and pairs these brilliant visuals with his detailed account of how the film was made-from the story and casting to the costumes, production, and special effects. Everything that the serious fan wants is here: early story notes on Vulture, who was later replaced by Venom...


Good call Tempest, thanks! So I guess Raimi had it in his mind to go with 3 villains all along for Spider-Man 3.

 

[dodus]

Jesus, S-M3 with Sandman and Vulture? All due props to the classic villains of old, but you do want to entertain other people besides yourself with this movie, Mr. Raimi.

 

[Tempest19]

/\ I really want to know what that original story was about...

Vulture would be an interesting villain- in a way- wasn't he one of the villains that actually dated Aunt May? I think- but don't hold me to this- that Ock was another villain that dated Aunt May.

But, I seriously want to know what the story would have been because the symbiote definitely rounds out this whole "revenge" scheme of the film.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

/\ I really want to know what that original story was about...

Vulture would be an interesting villain- in a way- wasn't he one of the villains that actually dated Aunt May? I think- but don't hold me to this- that Ock was another villain that dated Aunt May.

But, I seriously want to know what the story would have been because the symbiote definitely rounds out this whole "revenge" scheme of the film.

So basically they replaced one V named villain with another, hehe. I'm really interested as well in what the original story was about. They have the theme so perfectly set up now with revenge and forgiveness with the villains they are using now. What theme was he going for with Vulture? I find this the most interesting news concerning this movie that I have seen in awhile, LOL.

 

[Eggyman]

It was probably similar to a degree -- I can't remember what I was reading but it made out that the villains are picked more to suit the story rather than the other way round . . . and obviously with Arad demanding Venom and the symbiote's dark connotations, the 'revenge' and the 'forgiveness' aspects were even better suited than they were with Vulture.

 

[Tempest19]

Exactly. For some reason, I just can't see Spider-Man being that revenge driven without the symbiote.

 

[Eggyman]

Double post I say

 

[Eggyman]

Exactly. For some reason, I just can't see Spider-Man being that revenge driven without the symbiote.

I know, unless Vulture copped a feel of Aunt May -- that would p;ss Spidey right off. t:

 

[Tempest19]

(imagine Mark Wahlburg saying the following line)

SPIDER-MAN: You fight me' an' you date my' aunt? To hell with you... you vulture punk. No one confuses my aunt.

 

[Eggyman]

Lol

 

[ghost_x]

In The Spider-Man Chronicles, author and Spider-Man 3 producer Grant Curtis provides unmatched insider access to the devoted Spider-Man fan. Curtis has hand selected a phenomenal collection of unpublished concept art, sketches, models, and his own behind-the-scenes photography, and pairs these brilliant visuals with his detailed account of how the film was made-from the story and casting to the costumes, production, and special effects. Everything that the serious fan wants is here: early story notes on Vulture, who was later replaced by Venom...Good call Tempest, thanks! So I guess Raimi had it in his mind to go with 3 villains all along for Spider-Man 3.

'Early story notes' that's really brief, we're not even talking a conceived script here. This is just the writer and Raimi ploughing through story ideas, hell they probably story noted more villains than just Vulture.

 

[DyeLorean]

The Vulture was quite an important villain in the early Spidey comics, so I don't think is not so hard to see him in a future movie. Although Lizard is the one with most chances.

D!

 

[Tempest19]

Yeah, the Vulture is a good villain.... but, personally I don't see how he could have fit that well into this whole revenge story type setting. Whereas the symbiote and Venom are PERFECT for this film because of that. What would have Vulture given and taken away from the table? Was it a completely different story? Etc.

That would be interesting to find out, because the story seems like it would have radically chaged.

 

[ghost_x]

Course it would have been a different story, as the quote says 'early story notes' meaning they hadn't even created an outline for a story yet. They were merely bouncing around ideas, and that point the revenge story may not even have been thought about.

 

[chaseter]

Course it would have been a different story, as the quote says 'early story notes' meaning they hadn't even created an outline for a story yet. They were merely bouncing around ideas, and that point the revenge story may not even have been thought about.

This is true. Vulture was never written into a script in any form. Raimi and the writers probably sketched ideas and a rough representation on how the villians would be connected to the storr, Peter, and the theme. They have 10+ great villians to choose from. Sandman, being Raimi's favorite character most likely got thrown in first as well as Harry, since he found his father's goblin lair in the second film. Venom was pushed by Arad and fit perfectly in with the symbiote, good/evil, theme.

 

[Proteus-X312]

I have read the novelization, I know the story backwards and forwards- after going through writing up a whole summary for it... and I can say that without a doubt the critics are going to LOVE this movie. More so than the previous two.

I feel sorry for those who think this is going to just be a visual film because it's not. It's so much more!

You've got heavy handed symbology and metaphors such as the symbiote as a drug- which the screenwriter plays with EXPERTLY even showing emotions of withdrawal which was perfectly displayed on screen. So in a sense, this could be considered a "drug" movie without even having an actual drug in it- if that makes sense? You guys will see what I mean when you see the film... but, the critics will without a doubt pick up on this.

The characters are all well rounded and unique. Sandman has got to be the most realistic criminal shown in a film like this... he's just a regular guy who got into an accident that gave him these powers. Without the powers, he'd still be an amazing villain because all of the depth that he brings to the table.

The parallel stories of Harry and Peter is also portrayed PERFECTLY. There was a reason why they had Uncle Ben's murder brought back up. I'm not going to ruin anything, but the parallels and the reflection on these parallels are top notch.

Peter, Harry and MJ remain the CENTRAL focus of the film despite the additional supporting characters. All have, imo, better built character arcs than both of the previous films combined... and it manages to do something that most superhero films stay away from- it gave MJ an actual character arc! Yep, that's right... MJ isn't your typical "girl" in a film like this, she's her own character and has her own arc which contributes heavily to the film.

Overall the critics are going to love this film. There's symbology and metaphors, the character arcs are ALOT better than the previous two films, Sandman is more realistic villain than Doctor Octavious and Green Goblin... and it has action ON TOP OF all of that!

I don't see how the critics can not love this film. There is just too many analyticaly great aspects about the film and a leap up from the crowd when it comes to characters and character arcs.

Those saying "too many villains"- lol- that makes me laugh... just look at how many villains and supporting characters Batman Begins had!

I noticed the symbolism myself.Spider-Man and Sandman are very similiar.Both were regular people who by accident gained these amazing powers.Both have a responsibility.Peter has a responsibility towards his family;May,MJ and a superhero while Sandman has a responsibility towards his family;his wife and sick daughter.The only differences is that Sandman is a criminal and Spider-Man is a hero.The story is all about how both Sandman and Spider-Man let all of the power they gain affect them.Will Spider-Man let revenge consume him.How far will Sandman go to protect his sick daughter?
New Goblin and Venom both serve as examples of how rage and revenge can consume someone.What will Spider-Man do to keep this from happening to him?
It will be great to see how all of these questions will be answered.Some of us here already know the answers.The main reason why the trilogy curse exists is because it's almost too good to be true to have a trilogy where all three movies are great movies.We'll just have to wait and see.In the next three weeks we should be hearing more through early reviews.I have faith in Raimi.I'm sure he will make this movie work.

 

[ghost_x]

In no spiderman universe should Peter and Sandman be 'similar'

 

[Tempest19]

Well, that is looking a bit "into" Sandman.... I picture him more as a foil character for Peter. Sandman is akin to Harry's Spider-Man. That's the parallels that are being played with and how Peter, similar to Harry, doesn't know the full story and was never interested in hearing it.

But, the similarities that were mentioned above were in the comic books, more or less, Sandman gets into accident and he takes care of his familly. But, whereas in the comics it was his mother in this it's his daughter.

 

[ghost_x]

I wouldn't consider Sandman stealing to support his family and Spiderman being consumed by an alien parasite similar in the slightest.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I noticed the symbolism myself.Spider-Man and Sandman are very similiar.Both were regular people who by accident gained these amazing powers.Both have a responsibility.Peter has a responsibility towards his family;May,MJ and a superhero while Sandman has a responsibility towards his family;his wife and sick daughter.The only differences is that Sandman is a criminal and Spider-Man is a hero.The story is all about how both Sandman and Spider-Man let all of the power they gain affect them.Will Spider-Man let revenge consume him.How far will Sandman go to protect his sick daughter?
New Goblin and Venom both serve as examples of how rage and revenge can consume someone.What will Spider-Man do to keep this from happening to him?
It will be great to see how all of these questions will be answered.Some of us here already know the answers.The main reason why the trilogy curse exists is because it's almost too good to be true to have a trilogy where all three movies are great movies.We'll just have to wait and see.In the next three weeks we should be hearing more through early reviews.I have faith in Raimi.I'm sure he will make this movie work.

nice post and that's what I think as well. Spider-man and Sandman both have struggles in their life and they both are sort of sad people. Sandman is a crook who accidentley killed uncle ben and now is haunted by that. so now Peter has to learn that Revenge is not the thing that makes the pain go away.....it makes it grow. Harry Osborn on the other hand is full of revenge and lust to kill peter but what he realizes is that Peter is his best freind and he really is not a muderer. Venom doesn't learn how to stop revenge, but he let's it take over completley and like aunt may said "it turn's him into something ugly" which he can't stop or control mentally. it's like a human in a momster's grasp that won't let go. to be honest, it is going to show both route's and those are what happen's if you learn that revenge is not right and won't help matter's, and if you get revenge and let grab you then you are done for and there's no way out. forgivness, revenge, all of that stuff is being incorporated in this film and quite frankly I'm really excited to see how this play's out.

 

[Tempest19]

I wouldn't consider Sandman stealing to support his family and Spiderman being consumed by an alien parasite similar in the slightest.

I personally don't either, as I said I see Sandman as a "foil" character that is different from Spider-Man. But, is Harry's Spider-Man for Peter... if that makes sense.

 

[ghost_x]

I wouldn't consider Harry a foil for Peter/Spiderman if thats what you were trying to say. I in fact see Norman, who is very much still a huge influence on the character even in spirit, to be Harry's foil. The symbiote as a character in itself is what drives Peter/Spiderman in this film, so in essence that is his foil

 

[Tempest19]

No.... Sandman is a foil character for PETER, not Harry.

Sandman is to Peter as Spider-Man is to Harry.

 

[Eggyman]

I understand what you are saying: parallels -- Pete wants revenge on Sandman; Harry wants revenge on Pete. And if I read your novelization thread correct, lessons are learned from how one person deals with it in the end, showing his 'brother' the right path.

 

[ghost_x]

Well, that's final then.