Why Are So Many People Fearing The Trilogy Curse??

[Spade]

You didn't find SM-2 compelling??

With no offense meant, SM2's story just wasn't my cup of tea. The loss of Peter's powers, while a classic story, just didn't do it for me. It felt too muted and tepid in application. Sometimes great comic book storylines don't translate well into movies, and for me the loss of his powers just didn't bait or intrigue. The other thing is that Mary Jane is made out to be a complete fool. I have no clue how she didn't figure out who Peter was after the first film (at least Harry has something of an excuse), and the way they handled the romance was gamey at best. Then there's the villainy, which feels pasted in. Ock's attempt to sustain nuclear fusion lacked menace because Ock himself was overly humanized; even his actions toward Harry were a mean streak in a genuinely pure portraryl. In the long run, the homicidal tendency the Goblin brought to the fray was not properly matched in SM2 by the nuclear fusion subplot. Thus, the threat of calamity was never really built up right. Then the film ends with Mary Jane realizing anti-climatically what it took her two years in the timeframe to do.

I know it's taboo to criticize SM2 to many, but I see it as a filler film. The draw-in of interest the first film maintained just felt like a strained attempt in SM2. Overall, I prefer Spider-Man and what SM3 seems to be shaping out to be more.

 

[thejon7]

Look Who's Directing!!...Sam 'Evil Dead Trilogy' Raimi, this man has managed to make three movies in a series that had big potential to be crap after the first movie and yet he made all 3 as equally as awesome possibly the 3rd being the best IMO!

I can't see why so many people are already doubting his ability to finish a triology in the same way he started it...awesome! I even remotely understood the doubt when brett ratner came along for X3 even though i also believed he should get a chance as well, (i think he did a decent job).

I just think we should really trust raimi, he hasn't led many films wrong yet...(can anyone else claim to getting katy holmes boobs out?).

Whoever complained that the film wouldn't be a success must be high

 

[The Joker]

With no offense meant, SM2's story just wasn't my cup of tea. The loss of Peter's powers, while a classic story, just didn't do it for me. It felt too muted and tepid in application. Sometimes great comic book storylines don't translate well into movies, and for me the loss of his powers just didn't bait or intrigue.

Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks.

Though Peter wanting to throw in the towel because of all the pain of being Spider-Man was causing him, is an inevitable step in Peter Parker's journey. I am glad Raimi did it.

ASM #50 is one of my favs from Stan Lee's era. Raimi even included the part where Jonah Jameson is brought the costume that was found in the garbage.

The other thing is that Mary Jane is made out to be a complete fool. I have no clue how she didn't figure out who Peter was after the first film (at least Harry has something of an excuse), and the way they handled the romance was gamey at best.

Well, MJ did say she thought she knew who he really was all that time. Althought, she never showed it when berating Peter for never being there for her.

But then, she wasn't 100% sure.

Then there's the villainy, which feels pasted in. Ock's attempt to sustain nuclear fusion lacked menace because Ock himself was overly humanized; even his actions toward Harry were a mean streak in a genuinely pure portraryl. In the long run, the homicidal tendency the Goblin brought to the fray was not properly matched in SM2 by the nuclear fusion subplot.

Two things:

1. Ock being a different brand of villainy is exactly what it should have been. And exactly what Raimi was aiming for. Who wants to see a cut and paste villain twice?? We were already getting another scientist villain. It was much better that he wasn't a raving lunatic. That he had a genuine purpose. And a meaningful one, too. Not to mention Ock echoed the theme of the movie.

2. Ock was violent, destructive, and ruthless. Just a different brand of it to Norman.

Thus, the threat of calamity was never really built up right.

Not for me. Ock was a threat to the entire city. Not just Spider-Man. As it should have been. Ock has always been a large scale threat in the comics. Goblin is more a personal one.

Another thing Raimi nailed with them.

Then the film ends with Mary Jane realizing anti-climatically what it took her two years in the timeframe to do.

Ummmm, the movie ended with Peter and MJ getting together. Something Peter wouldn't allow in SM-1.

I know it's taboo to criticize SM2 to many, but I see it as a filler film.

Too many important things happened in SM-2 to consider it a filler movie, IMO. MJ and Harry discovering Peter's secret. Peter confessing to May about his role in Ben's death. Harry disovering the Goblin lair. Peter and MJ finally getting together.

All things that will no doubt play important roles in SM-3.

It's your opinion, Chibi. But, I'm glad it's a minority one.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

With no offense meant, SM2's story just wasn't my cup of tea. The loss of Peter's powers, while a classic story, just didn't do it for me. It felt too muted and tepid in application. Sometimes great comic book storylines don't translate well into movies, and for me the loss of his powers just didn't bait or intrigue. The other thing is that Mary Jane is made out to be a complete fool. I have no clue how she didn't figure out who Peter was after the first film (at least Harry has something of an excuse), and the way they handled the romance was gamey at best. Then there's the villainy, which feels pasted in. Ock's attempt to sustain nuclear fusion lacked menace because Ock himself was overly humanized; even his actions toward Harry were a mean streak in a genuinely pure portraryl. In the long run, the homicidal tendency the Goblin brought to the fray was not properly matched in SM2 by the nuclear fusion subplot. Thus, the threat of calamity was never really built up right. Then the film ends with Mary Jane realizing anti-climatically what it took her two years in the timeframe to do.

I know it's taboo to criticize SM2 to many, but I see it as a filler film. The draw-in of interest the first film maintained just felt like a strained attempt in SM2. Overall, I prefer Spider-Man and what SM3 seems to be shaping out to be more.

imo spidey2 was a fantastic film. storyline and action wise. though you are right about comic book storylines sometimes not working out in films and it's been proven with other superhero films. but the spidey movie's have great comic book storylines and elements that are very realistic and truthful so to speak. Ock's storyline was very well done with the sympathy part of Ock and making him have a wife which really indicates why directors need to add their own aspects to the characters without changing who the character is. in Spidey1 the Green Goblin was greatley satisfying and had comic book elements as well like when the glider hit's norman just like it did in the comics. what my point is, quite frankly is that SM2 was an awesome film that kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time. same goes for the first film. I mean both films had storylines that made sense and were satisfying so I think the third film will have VERY interesting storyline and character storyline's such as peter's main and most troubled struggle which is being spider-man. and then there's harry's story which in the first movie he was full of hate when his father died and in the second film he wants revenge and now in this film he goes after peter and fails to kill him. so great character stories will come to an end but atleast they will go with us knowing that they were great.

 

[Mr Jide]

With no offense meant, SM2's story just wasn't my cup of tea. The loss of Peter's powers, while a classic story, just didn't do it for me. It felt too muted and tepid in application. Sometimes great comic book storylines don't translate well into movies, and for me the loss of his powers just didn't bait or intrigue. The other thing is that Mary Jane is made out to be a complete fool. I have no clue how she didn't figure out who Peter was after the first film (at least Harry has something of an excuse), and the way they handled the romance was gamey at best. Then there's the villainy, which feels pasted in. Ock's attempt to sustain nuclear fusion lacked menace because Ock himself was overly humanized; even his actions toward Harry were a mean streak in a genuinely pure portraryl. In the long run, the homicidal tendency the Goblin brought to the fray was not properly matched in SM2 by the nuclear fusion subplot. Thus, the threat of calamity was never really built up right. Then the film ends with Mary Jane realizing anti-climatically what it took her two years in the timeframe to do.

I know it's taboo to criticize SM2 to many, but I see it as a filler film. The draw-in of interest the first film maintained just felt like a strained attempt in SM2. Overall, I prefer Spider-Man and what SM3 seems to be shaping out to be more.

Taboo!? Screw anyone who has a problem with you not thinking much of the spidey films. I recently went through the laborious experience of watching sm1 and 2 back to back and let me tell you, that's something I'll never ever do again in my life I've found that, sm1 is a more enjoyable film overall than sm2. The only good things about sm2 are, bits of the action and some of the character development, other than that, the spidey movies are so far, overglorified, mediocre bore-fests where the only excitement shown on my part was, whilst viewing the friggin' trailers.

 

[Visionary]

What kind of fool watches two movies that he hates back to back, and claims that he doesn't own the DVDs to?

 

[Mr Jide]

I do own the DVDs. I never said I didn't. I've just never had to pay for them because they were given to me as gifts...as I've stated many times. You need to get your stories straight....and for the record, I've never said I hated these movies, I may say they're mediocre at best, average, boring or what ever but I've never said I hated them.....and as for watching them, it was purely for reference purposes.

 

[Visionary]

No, no...don't try to explain it to me...I'm zany enough as it is, I have 18 cats that I consider my children.

 

[Mr Jide]

 

[The Shape]

Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks.

Though Peter wanting to throw in the towel because of all the pain of being Spider-Man was causing him, is an inevitable step in Peter Parker's journey. I am glad Raimi did it.

ASM #50 is one of my favs from Stan Lee's era. Raimi even included the part where Jonah Jameson is brought the costume that was found in the garbage.



Well, MJ did say she thought she knew who he really was all that time. Althought, she never showed it when berating Peter for never being there for her.

But then, she wasn't 100% sure.



Two things:

1. Ock being a different brand of villainy is exactly what it should have been. And exactly what Raimi was aiming for. Who wants to see a cut and paste villain twice?? We were already getting another scientist villain. It was much better that he wasn't a raving lunatic. That he had a genuine purpose. And a meaningful one, too. Not to mention Ock echoed the theme of the movie.

2. Ock was violent, destructive, and ruthless. Just a different brand of it to Norman.



Not for me. Ock was a threat to the entire city. Not just Spider-Man. As it should have been. Ock has always been a large scale threat in the comics. Goblin is more a personal one.

Another thing Raimi nailed with them.



Ummmm, the movie ended with Peter and MJ getting together. Something Peter wouldn't allow in SM-1.



Too many important things happened in SM-2 to consider it a filler movie, IMO. MJ and Harry discovering Peter's secret. Peter confessing to May about his role in Ben's death. Harry disovering the Goblin lair. Peter and MJ finally getting together.

All things that will no doubt play important roles in SM-3.

It's your opinion, Chibi. But, I'm glad it's a minority one.

I agree on all points. Is SM2 the best movie ever made? No. But it's a pretty damn good one, for the reasons stated.

 

[The Shape]

Upon rewatching Spiderman you discover that not only is Spiderman 2 a far superior film, but the original movie isn't actually as great as you once remembered

Well, the original Spider-man was a movie 40 years in the making. For a fan like me or you, it was mind-blowing to see Spidey on the big screen in all his glory. But once you cool down a bit and get used to it, it doesn't seem quite as awesome. The same has happened with Spider-man 2. Not as badass as it was at first, but still great.

Films just lose effect, or shine, as Ock said.

 

[BrollySupersj]

No such thing as a curse when it comes to the Spider-Man movies. This movie will rock just like the last two.

 

[Mr Jide]

Well, the original Spider-man was a movie 40 years in the making. For a fan like me or you, it was mind-blowing to see Spidey on the big screen in all his glory. But once you cool down a bit and get used to it, it doesn't seem quite as awesome. The same has happened with Spider-man 2. Not as badass as it was at first, but still great.

Films just lose effect, or shine, as Ock said.

Imo not all films lose their shine.

FRWL and GF are still awesome movies 40 years later.
Batman '89, pulp fiction, SW:TESB, Goodfellas, scarface, the LOTR movies and many others are films that have long lasting appeal with substantial replay value.
SM1 and 2 are to me, foregtaable movies that dont stand the test of time and already, their effects are in some areas are shamefully dated.

 

[Naite22]

I do own the DVDs. I never said I didn't. I've just never had to pay for them because they were given to me as gifts...as I've stated many times. You need to get your stories straight....and for the record, I've never said I hated these movies, I may say they're mediocre at best, average, boring or what ever but I've never said I hated them.....and as for watching them, it was purely for reference purposes.

For me, those words just summed up the Pirates flicks!... Differents of opinion and that's fair enough. The Spidey flicks aren't perfect, but then again, most movie's aren't. The spidey flicks are far from borring imo.. They're very well paced, charming, intense; they have a good heart at their core! Also it delievers the most beautiful action ever created for film (in SM-2 at least!).

So many superhero franchises has bombed HUGE in the past, latest with X3 and Ghost Rider!... The spidey franchise is the most popular superhero franchise out there, and to me that's not a wonder, it really isn't... Had the first 2 movie's not been such a huge hit and so well recieved, we wouldn't be getting such a GIGANTIC FINAL for SM-3.

 

[ghost_x]

Well, the original Spider-man was a movie 40 years in the making. For a fan like me or you, it was mind-blowing to see Spidey on the big screen in all his glory. But once you cool down a bit and get used to it, it doesn't seem quite as awesome. The same has happened with Spider-man 2. Not as badass as it was at first, but still great.

Films just lose effect, or shine, as Ock said.

I agree entirely that the anticipation of waiting to see such an important character in my life was far greater than it's lasting cinematic qualities.
However I don't necessarily agree on a film losing shine over a period of time. A film that maintains the test of time is what would be defined by the term classic, as great a movie as Spiderman was, it was essentially a summer blockbuster that succeeded critical and commercial expectations. There's no real sense of maintaining that status throughout the history of film.

 

[Naite22]

^ A very good example of a movie NOT losing its "shine" is The GodFather!!! It's more popular today then it was when it first came out!

 

[Visionary]

Imo not all films lose their shine.

FRWL and GF are still awesome movies 40 years later.
Batman '89, pulp fiction, SW:TESB, Goodfellas, scarface, the LOTR movies and many others are films that have long lasting appeal with substantial replay value.
SM1 and 2 are to me, foregtaable movies that dont stand the test of time and already, their effects are in some areas are shamefully dated.

The keywords that you used are: TO ME.

Which means absolutely nothing, you're one person, you seem to think that YOU decide what's good, great and bad about a particular movie for the majority, and you don't. I know people who love LOTR books and hate the movie, same with Harry Potter, but they're in the minority--so it's moot, no different from Spidey's films. I guess they could spend 24/7 and all year around on LOTR/Harry Potter message boards damning the movies, but perhaps they have better things to do. Movies deemed good/great are all about the majority, not a few disgruntled fanboys.

No individual makes a movie a classic or talked about decade(s) later, the majority are the ones who do that, by how they feel about a particular film. Hey, I hated E.T. when I saw it and still do (and I don't care who loves it or calls it a classic), but I'm not stupid enough to think that it won't be remembered or talked about because I didn't like it, it's all about the majority who like/loved the film.

Fanboys are so stupid in this regard.

 

[November Rain]

to be fair Vis, it's only your own opinion on something that really matters, why let the majority dictate was is deemed good if you don't believe it yourself.

'To Me' refers to anyone and everyone that has ever given an opinion on anything.

Jide's opinions are just as valid as anyone else's as long as he at least gives reasons to back them up (or reasons from his eyes) and that's all good and dandy.

that's the beauty of an opinion. In no way does what anything anyone says really represent the majority because everyone's opinions are going to differ slightly based on their past experiences etc...


personally, i don't think the spidey or x-men films hold as much memorable qualities as seeins supes fly for the first time inthe 70s.

in a list of iconic films of the new millenium, LOTR, and the Harry potter series are probably goign to be the best remembered.

 

[ghost_x]

^ A very good example of a movie NOT losing its "shine" is The GodFather!!! It's more popular today then it was when it first came out!

Unfortunatly I believe the reason for The Godfathers modern success is due partly for it being 'cool' to claim to liking such a highly rated film and not due to it's quality and importance to the history of cinema.

 

[Naite22]

^ Sure, I'll buy that... but still

 

[November Rain]

Unfortunatly I believe the reason for The Godfathers modern success is due partly for it being 'cool' to claim to liking such a highly rated film and not due to it's quality and importance to the history of cinema.

indeed, it's cool to like mobster and gansta films just like it's apparently cool to like tarantino movies...

although the quality of the godfather is still very high, it hasn't really aged.

 

[Proteus-X312]

A friend of mine somehow thinks that SM3 will be trash.I've tried asking him why he thinks this way and he didn't have any valid reasons imo.I say if you don't have any or no valid reason to say that SM3 will suck than keep ya damn mouth shut until it comes out.You can't just say"SM3 will suck".Do you know something we don't?
Did you somehow see the movie before everyone else to know that it will be trash? HELL 2 THA NO!!!
So in just six more weeks we'll all know what the deal is.So sit tight,grab your balls and enjoy the ride until SM3 hits theatres May 4th.

 

[Naite22]

^ I have no idea of just how big of an impact this movie will REALLY make!... But I do know for damn surden -and without having seen it- that it WON'T be trash! It's still Raimi and the same old beautiful team behind the third picture, and they're standing stronger then ever!!! The movie might end up disappointing, you never really know (however I think it's highly unlikely)!... or it might end up beeing even more badass then any one could've ever emagined... But one thing that can be said right here and now is, IT WON'T BE TRASH!... they're not pulling an X3 with this one

 

[ghost_x]

I'm not disputing the quality or intergrity of the Godfather Triology, I find them some of the greatest pieces of all round excellence in filmmaking and the purest example of naturalisation in the acting departments. What I'm trying to say is the popularity for the trilogy derives not from the enjoyment of these qualities but from the idea of saying 'I too like this highly rated film'. People seem to believe that if they claim to not liking a critically acclaimed movie, they don't have taste.

The polar opposite would be a case I have when I admit to not liking the apparant film to end all films 'Lord of the Rings'. I can't stand these films, I have a pure hatred for them, yet when I say this to someone I say it to apparntly go against the norm just to appear like the rebel.

Tough Crowd

 

[Visionary]

to be fair Vis, it's only your own opinion on something that really matters, why let the majority dictate was is deemed good if you don't believe it yourself.

'To Me' refers to anyone and everyone that has ever given an opinion on anything.

Jide's opinions are just as valid as anyone else's as long as he at least gives reasons to back them up (or reasons from his eyes) and that's all good and dandy.

that's the beauty of an opinion. In no way does what anything anyone says really represent the majority because everyone's opinions are going to differ slightly based on their past experiences etc...


in a list of iconic films of the new millenium, LOTR, and the Harry potter series are probably goign to be the best remembered.

You missed my point, we're all entitled to our opinions. Just as you have named LOTR and Harry Potter being remembered of the new millenium. What about people who didn't like HP or LOTR? People seem to only acknowledge the movies that they like, when it comes to a film being remembered. Someone can feel the exact the same way about another film, like you feel about HP or LOTR.

personally, i don't think the spidey or x-men films hold as much memorable qualities as seeins supes fly for the first time inthe 70s.

Yet another personal opinion, it hold no weight to someone who feels differently.