Why HULK? WHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

[Ace of Knaves]

I am a little worried about Wolverine, X 3 left a bad taste in peoples mouths, Wolverine could suffer some side effects from this.

Wolverine looks like it will be good. You can tell a lot of thought and passion has gone into it, it won't just be a brainless, incoherent action fest like X-3, I guarantee it. Plus the one and only "Merc with the Mouth" is gonna be in it.

 

[Hmarrs]

DC's "trinity" is Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman...their three characters with the highest Q rating.

Marvel has Spider-Man, Hulk and...hmmm...the last one is up for debate. The fact that Hulk is DEFINITELY one of the highest Q rated, and guys like Iron Man and even Wolverine aren't is a testament to how important Hulk should be to Marvel. Personally, I think that Marvel tried to do justice to the character both times, but the two films certainly had their flaws.

Hopefully, Hulk will play a massively destructive role in Avengers. Everyone will expect the film to be about Iron Man, due to box office success...which is why you make Hulk a central character, and have him such a visual spectacle that the world cant wait for another movie.

BINGO!!!!Oh and I would have to say that Marvel's third character would have to be Captain America.

 

[November Rain]

hulk isn't part of marvel's big three

marvel's big three is spiderman, wolverine and probably the fantastic four/avengers. it's really a big four

under that then comes the hulk. hulk's become a special guest appearance character, kinda like the cyborg ninja in metal gear. He'll bring cool scenes to a film but most don't wanna whole film like that.

he's the joker in the pack, along with galactus and doom

 

[Agent 194]

I did like much of Hulk. The silly, let's make this for the video game, ending really did it in for any future, sensible decisions toward the character. That movie doing well was important. It didn't so we don't seem to have a lot of say.

 

[Heretic]

hulk isn't part of marvel's big three

marvel's big three is spiderman, wolverine and probably the fantastic four/avengers. it's really a big four

under that then comes the hulk. hulk's become a special guest appearance character, kinda like the cyborg ninja in metal gear. He'll bring cool scenes to a film but most don't wanna whole film like that.

he's the joker in the pack, along with galactus and doom

The Big 3 is not based on what is popular today, or even what is popualr this decade...

Q ratings are based on the general publics awareness of a character...

Okay...so go to an old folks home and ask them about Wolverine....yep...NONE of them will know who he is. Wolverine is not in the big three because he hasnt been incredibly popular as long as Hulk as been kinda sorta popular and a staple of Marvels merchandise.

When I was a kid, you could buy Marvel birthday party decorations etc...Fantastic Four was almost never on these things (if memory serves). Hulk is ALWAYS on these group products and promotions.

No matter what age or sex or color the person is...more people know who Hulk is than Wolverine. That will likely change over the next several years, but enough old people havent died yet to make that a reality. Wolverine wins in Q Rating with teens and young adults (maybe) but not in the overall population.

The point is this...take a classic comic image of Hulk, and a classic comic image of Wolverine, and far more people will be able to identify Hulk...of course...take a picture of Hugh Jackman and you might have a slightly different result...but what does that have to do with a comic characters Q rating?

As far as Captain America goes...hes had very limited success outside of comics, but his image is in most of Marvels promotions...if he is in Marvels Trinity then he is falling fast and may have been taken over by Wolverine.

 

[Hmarrs]

hulk isn't part of marvel's big three

marvel's big three is spiderman, wolverine and probably the fantastic four/avengers. it's really a big four

under that then comes the hulk. hulk's become a special guest appearance character, kinda like the cyborg ninja in metal gear. He'll bring cool scenes to a film but most don't wanna whole film like that.

he's the joker in the pack, along with galactus and doom

Disagree.

 

[Hmarrs]

The Big 3 is not based on what is popular today, or even what is popualr this decade...

Q ratings are based on the general publics awareness of a character...

Okay...so go to an old folks home and ask them about Wolverine....yep...NONE of them will know who he is. Wolverine is not in the big three because he hasnt been incredibly popular as long as Hulk as been kinda sorta popular and a staple of Marvels merchandise.

When I was a kid, you could buy Marvel birthday party decorations etc...Fantastic Four was almost never on these things (if memory serves). Hulk is ALWAYS on these group products and promotions.

No matter what age or sex or color the person is...more people know who Hulk is than Wolverine. That will likely change over the next several years, but enough old people havent died yet to make that a reality. Wolverine wins in Q Rating with teens and young adults (maybe) but not in the overall population.

The point is this...take a classic comic image of Hulk, and a classic comic image of Wolverine, and far more people will be able to identify Hulk...of course...take a picture of Hugh Jackman and you might have a slightly different result...but what does that have to do with a comic characters Q rating?

As far as Captain America goes...hes had very limited success outside of comics, but his image is in most of Marvels promotions...if he is in Marvels Trinity then he is falling fast and may have been taken over by Wolverine.

Well spoken.

 

[November Rain]

wolverine as a film entity still came out before the hulk.

the reason most people know about spiderman and hulk more is simply based on the continuous cartoon series and tv shows based on the characters.

a wolverine film at this moment will still put more bums in seats than a hulk film regardless of his name because for a large majority of that period, the character has been misrepresented. Even the comics don't really know what to do with him

sure big green monster is recognisable and the stronger/angrier correlation but ask anyone more about that and they'll be stumped. Most people couldn't even tell you his real name is Robert Bruce Banner.

 

[Heretic]

You just cited movies as an example of who is the more legendary/well known comic book character.

Some of us here still value COMICS, and the stories therein. As a comic book character, Hulk is the second most recognizeable in Marvels stable...and therefore should be treated like gold in all his representations.

If you disagree with that, then you must SURELY believe that Blade is further up on the Marvel hierarchy than say, almost every single character in their comic universe. Instead, Blade remains an almost unrecognizeable comic book character.

Regardless of their quality, Hulk has had a steady stream of merch and tv shows/movies for longer than Wolverine has even existed. Heck, Wolverine was a popular comic character for many years before the general public had ever heard of him, making his Q rating at the time awfully pathetic.

Hulk is more well known, therefore he is higher up in importance or in some "trinity". Marvel has dropped the ball again and again with the character, hurting his public image, but the fact remains that more people can identify Hulk in a picture than have ever heard of the character Wolverine.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'll agree to that.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

marvel simply don't like the character.

And you know this......how?

 

[November Rain]

You just cited movies as an example of who is the more legendary/well known comic book character.

Some of us here still value COMICS, and the stories therein. As a comic book character, Hulk is the second most recognizeable in Marvels stable...and therefore should be treated like gold in all his representations.

If you disagree with that, then you must SURELY believe that Blade is further up on the Marvel hierarchy than say, almost every single character in their comic universe. Instead, Blade remains an almost unrecognizeable comic book character.

Regardless of their quality, Hulk has had a steady stream of merch and tv shows/movies for longer than Wolverine has even existed. Heck, Wolverine was a popular comic character for many years before the general public had ever heard of him, making his Q rating at the time awfully pathetic.

Hulk is more well known, therefore he is higher up in importance or in some "trinity". Marvel has dropped the ball again and again with the character, hurting his public image, but the fact remains that more people can identify Hulk in a picture than have ever heard of the character Wolverine.

we are talking about exposure and pop culture references here across all mediums and what the average person would know.

if you were to ask the average 25/30 year old about hulk and wolverine, i'm sure they would give you more infor on wolverine because he got a lot of exposure in the 90s and 00s, far more than hulk did (both highlighted alot with that era of x-men in the comics, multiple cartoons and starring in nearly four movies).

if you were to ask the average 40 year old, they would probably tell you more about banner but a tv series banner not a real comic book banner. WOlverine's cartoon and film personas have been more in line with his book ego (although somewhat simplified in the films) than the hulk has had (arguably one season of a cartoon, the rest he has guest appeared as just to fight the good guys).

it's the same as doom is marvel's biggest villain, yet the average member of society couldn't give you jack about him.

if you were to ask marvel right now which characters they are investing money into heavily, hulk wouldn't be in their top three.

 

[Hmarrs]

You just cited movies as an example of who is the more legendary/well known comic book character.

Some of us here still value COMICS, and the stories therein. As a comic book character, Hulk is the second most recognizeable in Marvels stable...and therefore should be treated like gold in all his representations.

If you disagree with that, then you must SURELY believe that Blade is further up on the Marvel hierarchy than say, almost every single character in their comic universe. Instead, Blade remains an almost unrecognizeable comic book character.

Regardless of their quality, Hulk has had a steady stream of merch and tv shows/movies for longer than Wolverine has even existed. Heck, Wolverine was a popular comic character for many years before the general public had ever heard of him, making his Q rating at the time awfully pathetic.

Hulk is more well known, therefore he is higher up in importance or in some "trinity". Marvel has dropped the ball again and again with the character, hurting his public image, but the fact remains that more people can identify Hulk in a picture than have ever heard of the character Wolverine.

True.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

You just cited movies as an example of who is the more legendary/well known comic book character.

Some of us here still value COMICS, and the stories therein. As a comic book character, Hulk is the second most recognizeable in Marvels stable...and therefore should be treated like gold in all his representations.

If you disagree with that, then you must SURELY believe that Blade is further up on the Marvel hierarchy than say, almost every single character in their comic universe. Instead, Blade remains an almost unrecognizeable comic book character.

Regardless of their quality, Hulk has had a steady stream of merch and tv shows/movies for longer than Wolverine has even existed. Heck, Wolverine was a popular comic character for many years before the general public had ever heard of him, making his Q rating at the time awfully pathetic.

Hulk is more well known, therefore he is higher up in importance or in some "trinity". Marvel has dropped the ball again and again with the character, hurting his public image, but the fact remains that more people can identify Hulk in a picture than have ever heard of the character Wolverine.

Not to mention the Hulk tv series, which was a world-wide success back when the New X-Men comic was shipping only once every OTHER month.

Heck, back in those days, besides the TV series, the Hulk was appearing in TWO monthly comics (Incredible Hulk & The Defenders), and a magazine (Rampaging Hulk)....Wolverine was a supporting character in an ensemble book that shipped six times a year, so yes; The Hulk was earning fans back when Wolverine was a nobody. The Hulk DEFINITELY has a huge head start, in terms of worldwide recognition...

 

[November Rain]

And you know this......how?

their own studio can't even portray him correctly on the big screen.

you know it's bad when you're own studio can't get your characterisation right.

 

[Hmarrs]

we are talking about exposure and pop culture references here across all mediums and what the average person would know.

if you were to ask the average 25/30 year old about hulk and wolverine, i'm sure they would give you more infor on wolverine because he got a lot of exposure in the 90s and 00s, far more than hulk did (both highlighted alot with that era of x-men in the comics, multiple cartoons and starring in nearly four movies).

if you were to ask the average 40 year old, they would probably tell you more about banner but a tv series banner not a real comic book banner. WOlverine's cartoon and film personas have been more in line with his book ego (although somewhat simplified in the films) than the hulk has had (arguably one season of a cartoon, the rest he has guest appeared as just to fight the good guys).

it's the same as doom is marvel's biggest villain, yet the average member of society couldn't give you jack about him.

if you were to ask marvel right now which characters they are investing money into heavily, hulk wouldn't be in their top three.

Your talking about popularity(current at that) were talking about reconizability.
Overall not just the current generation.People say Marvel.
Spiderman and Hulk pop in their mind.You say DC Superman and Batman pop in their mind.Very few people over 30 unless they are avid comic readers will really be able to tell you who Wolverine is.Unless they saw the movie.But show them a picture of Wolverine in his yellow costume.They'll do a Scooby Doo(HUNGH).But Hundreds of Thousands people who don't even read comics know the Green guy in purple trunks.Internationally as well.Not because of his movie's obviously but his staple as a character.

Wolverine is more pop culture could be here today could be gone tommorrow.I remember Wolverine being unknown in the 70's extremly famous in the 80's and dieing down in the early 90's and picking up again after 2000.(possibly the movie).

As far as who makes money?Marvel milks Wolverine.Oh yeah of course and if DC is making millions putting out the Wonder Twins course they are going to milk it as well.

 

[November Rain]

Well it is ultimately a popularity contest. superman and batman are popular and thus make more money.

what good is having a recognisable character if no one wants to spend money on the comic to read about them or cares about the movies they are in?

being a pop culture icon doesn't pay the bills on its own

 

[Hmarrs]

their own studio can't even portray him correctly on the big screen.

you know it's bad when you're own studio can't get your characterisation right.

Actually the problem is the Hulk has been around for so long he has gone through hundreds of incarnations.So Marvel is trying to meet the needs of so many people.Instead of just going with the first story and working they way up.

They want a Mister Fixit Hulk(in meaness)
A Jack Kirby Hulk(in face and Body)Then A John Bucema look.
A Bruce Banner Hulk
A Savage Hulk
A smart Hulk
A T.V. Hulk
Original story and/or T.V. story.
A talking Hulk in comics a mute Hulk like on T.V.
They really don't know what to do with him.
It just became a mess.They spead the Hulk to thin on all levels.
No one was satisfied.He became a Jack of all trades and master of none.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

their own studio can't even portray him correctly on the big screen.
.

Isnt that a matter of opinion? seemed like they got him right to ME.

Regardless, not portraying him "correctly" on the screen in no way validates them not liking the character. That's just silly.

 

[Hmarrs]

Isnt that a matter of opinion? seemed like they got him right to ME.

Regardless, not portraying him "correctly" on the screen in no way validates them not liking the character. That's just silly.

Exactly.They may have cared too much and were so concerned with messing up they tried a little bit of everything.Sometimes less is more.

 

[November Rain]

Actually the problem is the Hulk has been around for so long he has gone through hundreds of incarnations.So Marvel is trying to meet the needs of so many people.Instead of just going with the first story and working they way up.

They want a Mister Fixit Hulk(in meaness)
A Jack Kirby Hulk(in face and Body)Then A John Bucema look.
A Bruce Banner Hulk
A Savage Hulk
A smart Hulk
A T.V. Hulk
Original story and/or T.V. story.
A talking Hulk in comics a mute Hulk like on T.V.
They really don't know what to do with him.
It just became a mess.They spead the Hulk to thin on all levels.
No one was satisfied.He became a Jack of all trades and master of none.

Well the same can be said about any long standing character, batman superman and spidey have all suffered with havine multiple images over the years but the film writers stuck to at least one gun and told one good story.

it's marvels baby and they shouldn't be afraid of his origin story or at least recreating a similar type of scenario so we can go through the core of what the character is.

not the multitude of hulks at this point in time but the duality that is bruce banner and how each side sees the other. outside of the comics it has only been shown once. (90s cartoon).

the long backstory stuff doesn't work. The problem is the general public really don't know squat about the character and marvel is afraid of actually patronising them by telling it as it should be.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Well it is ultimately a popularity contest. superman and batman are popular and thus make more money.

what good is having a recognisable character if no one wants to spend money on the comic to read about them or cares about the movies they are in?

being a pop culture icon doesn't pay the bills on its own

What are you talking about? The Hulk comic has been out-selling every Wolverine/X-Men comic for the past four months!

See for yourself: http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

 

[Hmarrs]

Well it is ultimately a popularity contest. superman and batman are popular and thus make more money.

what good is having a recognisable character if no one wants to spend money on the comic to read about them or cares about the movies they are in?

being a pop culture icon doesn't pay the bills on its own

Well somtimes it works.Why?Because I'll explain.When parents go to the store be it action figures,Birthday parties etc.They go with what is familar.
They may say"Gee I don't know who this cable guy is or this Gambit person is but.....Hey I know him.I'll buy this one".

Micky Mouse has no current cartoons on comic books or what have you.

But when people go to the store they say hmmm..."Oh okay Micky Mouse.I can't go wrong with Micky Mouse.

Somtimes being a Pop Culture Icon is all about sales.Being recognizable on the shelf.

That may be why the Hulk movies were able survive to some degree.If no one had ever heard of him and the movies came out I doubt they would have made any money at all.

 

[November Rain]

Isnt that a matter of opinion? seemed like they got him right to ME.

Regardless, not portraying him "correctly" on the screen in no way validates them not liking the character. That's just silly.

Cap this isn't about Opinion.

If you gave an average person a backlog of hulk stories and then showed him the film, he'd say there was very little correlation between the characters, especially in the last one which was a movie of the tv series.

that's not bruce's relationship with betty
that't not bruce's relationship with ross
that's not bruce's relationship with blonsky
there was no bruce relationship with the hulk
that's not betty's relationship with her father
that't not ross' relationship with the hulk (way way too business like, no personal vendetta there at all).


if that is right to you then......infact it's not even right, i've seen you nitpick less on the spidey forums. if deep down you truly believe they couldn't do a better origin story than that, then something is definitely not right.

 

[Hmarrs]

Well the same can be said about any long standing character, batman superman and spidey have all suffered with havine multiple images over the years but the film writers stuck to at least one gun and told one good story.

it's marvels baby and they shouldn't be afraid of his origin story or at least recreating a similar type of scenario so we can go through the core of what the character is.

not the multitude of hulks at this point in time but the duality that is bruce banner and how each side sees the other. outside of the comics it has only been shown once. (90s cartoon).

the long backstory stuff doesn't work. The problem is the general public really don't know squat about the character and marvel is afraid of actually patronising them by telling it as it should be.

I agee with you there.
With the exeption that the the original story line can sell.It's all about how you sell it.