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Why is there a legal push against vaping?

E-cigs shut down hundreds of immune system genes—regular cigs don’t

Good news everybody! E-cigs are dangerous in an entirely new way!

WASHINGTON—It’s widely assumed that swapping cigarette puffing for vapor huffing is better for health—after all, electronic cigarettes that heat up and atomize a liquid concoction can skip all the hazards of combustion and smoke. But researchers are still scrambling to understand the health effects of e-cig use (aka vaping) and to track down the variable and undisclosed components of those vaporized mixtures. The most recent data hints at unexpected health effects unique to e-cig use.

After comparing genetic information swabbed from the noses of smokers, vapers, and non-users of both, researchers found that smoking suppresses the activity of 53 genes involved in the immune system. Vaping also suppressed those 53 immune genes—along with 305 others. The results were presented Friday at the annual conference of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington.

Though research on the significance of that gene suppression is still ongoing, the initial results suggest that e-cig users may have compromised immune responses, making them potentially more vulnerable to infections and diseases.

“The gene expression changes we’re seeing are consistent with a modified immune response,” lead researcher Ilona Jaspers of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill told Ars. “Any time you change [the immune system], it's probably out of balance," she said, explaining that a hyper-immune response or a weak response is problematic. Whether the imbalance caused by e-cigs leads to boosted infection risks or other immune diseases, “we don’t know,” Jaspers added.

For the study, Jaspers and colleagues mined the noses of different groups of healthy people—around a dozen each of cigarette smokers, e-cigarette vapers, and people who didn’t use either. The researchers fit the volunteers into the three categories based on smoking “diaries” that they filled out for three weeks prior to nose-sampling. The researchers homed in on the schnoz because cellular and immune responses there can offer clues to those responses in the lungs, which are harder to sample, Jaspers noted.

Harvesting the genetic data from the participants, researchers looked at the activity of nearly 600 genes, all of which are related to controlling and mounting immune responses. Comparing smokers’ genetic information to that of non-users, the team found that the activity of 53 genes was dialed down in smokers collectively. Comparing e-cig users to smokers and non-users revealed the same dampened activity for those 53 genes but also 305 others—a total of 358 immune genes were muted in e-cig users’ noses.

In follow-up lab studies, Jaspers and colleagues tested e-cig liquid on immune cells from healthy volunteers. Specifically, the researchers collected immune cells, such as neutrophils and macrophages, that are responsible in part for swallowing up invading bacteria. When the cells were put into diluted solutions of different e-cigarette liquids, the cells weren’t as good at sucking in the microbes. The data, while preliminary, suggests that immune cells in e-cig users may be unable to prevent bacterial breaches, thus opening the gates to infection.

The researchers also looked at the gene-altering effects of different flavors of e-cigarettes on the cells in the delicate lining of the respiratory tract. The flavorings that seemed to have the most potent gene-altering effects were additives that taste like cinnamon—cinnamaldehyde—as well as butter flavors.

These flavorings are considered safe, Jaspers pointed out—but only for eating. The additives are categorized as generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for food and beverages, but they have never been tested for safety when inhaled, she adds. The point is driven home with one of the flavors, the butter-mimicking diacetyl. This flavor has been found in some e-cig flavorings, but it's known to cause bronchiolitis obliterans, a severe disease caused by scar tissue and inflammation built up deep in the lungs. The link was discovered years ago in food manufacturing, particularly microwave popcorn factory employees who developed “popcorn worker’s lung.”

A concerning factor in e-cig use is that it’s not well known what or how much flavor additives and components are in e-cigarette liquid, Jaspers said.

The concern was echoed by clinical pharmacologist Neal Benowitz of the University of California, San Francisco. “E-cigarettes are not one thing,” he said, noting that the devices, liquids, and flavorings vary widely. “We’re really in the beginning of understanding the toxicity.”
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There is literally nothing we do as a vice that is good for us. Every entertaining thing has a weird side effect or consequence.
 
Yeah but there are plenty of non-fatal vices out there.
 
I don't think people should overlook what big tobacco have to say about this as well. I'm sure they have lots of money put into these "studies" that show how unhealthy it is. Fewer people are smoking than ever before, and they need to keep whatever customers they have, despite some of them owning some e-cig companies.

I'm fortunately not around it ever, but I've seen it help a few people stop smoking period, I see it as a tool to stop smoking mostly, I don't see too many of the hipster kids with their giant smoke clouds around too often, just don't do it in the same room as me.
 
Because I don't want vape smoke in my face...
 
Then tell the vape smokers not to blow in your face...
 
Admittedly, I haven't read this entire thread, so apologies if this has been said or is a major theme :hehe: ...

The reason there's a push is so government can get ahead of vaping. Ciggs are too ingrained in culture to outright ban them. Vaping is new and there could be unknown side effects. I'd imagine the thinking is to get ahead of it before it's in too deep.

It is a violation of rights, land of the free and all..., imagine how it would be if the government (we the people) were running healthcare.
 
Vaping is already showing a number of side effects but there is no dissuading its supporters who will finger point at anything to avoid acknowledging it might be even more dangerous than plain old cigs.
 
Leave all that s*** alone. Stop smoking cigarettes and cigars. Stop chewing tobacco. Stop vaping. Do your body, your spouse, your kids, and your wallet (now and in the future) a favor. The fact that there are even debates about which one is less harmful probably means it's not the best thing to do.

*leaves thread with no f***s given*

:o
 
Then tell the vape smokers not to blow in your face...
Vapers don't care because they think it's safe like cigarettes were safe 40 years ago. People vape in restaurants, in the mall, etc. It's not clinically tested and kids can buy it because it's not regulated. Vapers are turds just like smokers. No one wants to breathe that garbage and vapers don't care.
 
You're the ridiculous one actually, but based on your avatar and posts I know you make, it's not surprising.
 
So you are pro vaping in public places?

What does your avatar say about you?
 
Smoking is bad... I DIIIIID IIIIIT! :awesome:
 
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Also explains the sugar taxes etc. They claim they're acting in the interest of public health but really they're just looking to raise tax revenue. And it's easier to pass a tax on a villain.
 
Also explains the sugar taxes etc. They claim they're acting in the interest of public health but really they're just looking to raise tax revenue. And it's easier to pass a tax on a villain.

The problem isn't taxing cigarettes. The problem is spending that tax revenue before we actually recieved it. Now we can't afford for people to stop smoking cigarettes.
 
^ that's what I was alluding to. They spend money out of control based on projected tax revenue of their current villain. Then panic when revenues start falling because people stay away from their villain, and start to vilify new things (E-cigs, sugar, trans-fats) in the name of public health, because it's easier to pass a tax on a villain or for safety, but it's all just a ruse. The real reason is they need the $ to cover what they've spent.

Driving will be next.
 
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The cigarette companies pulling strings.
 

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