Why Isn't Joker's Real Name Joe Chill Instead of Jack Napier?

[Mr. Socko]

His name was not stated, probably to keep it all mysterious, the unknown accomplice, like the unknown killer in the comics, and the name Joe Chill does sound pretty goofy. I think it was a compromise. Sam Hamm had Joe Chill the killer in his script but Tim Burton wanted the Joker to be the killed. So this way this Joe Chill character was still involved. I can see why people would just assume it was Bob. The credits says "other mugger", not "young Bob the Goon", so we know it wasn't Bob. The actors name is Clyde Gatell. The credits states the other man as "young Jack Napier", played by Hugo E. Blick.

While watching B'89 earlier this year I noticed for the first time that when Bruce is going through Jack Napier's files there is a photo of Young Napier next to the pic of Jack.

 

[Gotham22]

I always think the other mugger could have been Joe Chill.

Even the shooter in the flash backs in BF could have been Jack Napier(Joker)

 

[Batman]

The reason The Joker wasn't named Joe Chill is that at the time of the script's writing, and even during shooting, Joker wasn't going to be the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents. But when Batman started shooting, there was a writer's strike going on in the US, so Sam Hamm couldn't cross picket lines to fly out to the England set in order to oversee any changes. Tim Burton decided, at last minute, to make the death more personal and had Warren Skaaren rewrite the last half of the script to accommodate Burton's decision, which Hamm couldn't stop.

This is all recounted by Hamm in one of the featurettes of the special edition B89 DVD. Hamm also resented the change that Alfred let Vicki Vale into the Batcave near the end, but again, couldn't stop it because he was striking with the writer's guild. That and, I'm guessing, he probably couldn't have done anything about it anyway because of legal issues with Warner Bros. and selling off his script to Burton. But the truth is, nobody expected to have it happen when Batman started shooting. It was just a major last minute change.

 

[Joker]

Jack Napier and Joe Chill are indeed two different people.
If you recall there were two men involved in the random mugging turned murder.
See this man, this man right here.
The petty thief that goes for the infamous pearl necklace. That's Joe Chill.

...I'm fairly certain that's a young Bob the Goon. Listen to his voice when he's yelling "come on, Jack!"

 

[paranoidboy]

I didn't think there was ever any debate as to it being Bob the goon?

 

[theMan-Bat]

...I'm fairly certain that's a young Bob the Goon. Listen to his voice when he's yelling "come on, Jack!"

Jack's his name after all. The mugger goes for the infamous pearl necklace, just like Joe Chill in the comics. The mugger was frightened and ran, just like Joe Chill in the comics. The reason why we hear the mugger yelling "lets go, Jack" in the flash back, is for Bruce, and us, to realize that the man who killed his parents is Jack. He's not credited as "young Bob the Goon." He's credited as "other mugger."

 

[theMan-Bat]

I didn't think there was ever any debate as to it being Bob the goon?

There seems to be a debate.

 

[Nightwing1977]

...I'm fairly certain that's a young Bob the Goon. Listen to his voice when he's yelling "come on, Jack!"

I thought he said "Let's go, Jack!". Beside, even saying the same lines don't mean it the same person, you know? That like having both Alfred & Vicki Vale say like "Hello, Bruce." and we know they aren't the same people.

 

[The Guard]

Ok, so Jack's running with an anonymous young mugger, instead of the guy who's been his right hand man for years.

That's definitely more interesting.

Believe what you want, I guess.

 

[deathfromabove]

Jack Napier and Joe Chill are indeed two different people.
If you recall there were two men involved in the random mugging turned murder.
See this man, this man right here.
The petty thief that goes for the infamous pearl necklace. That's Joe Chill.

its clearly bob.

Ok, so Jack's running with an anonymous young mugger, instead of the guy who's been his right hand man for years.

That's definitely more interesting.

Believe what you want, I guess.

agreed. dont be delusional people.

 

[theMan-Bat]

its clearly bob.

I disagree.

agreed. dont be delusional people.

Delusional? Now that's just insulting.

 

[El Payaso]

See? This is why I didn't like what Burton did on Batman with making the Joker as the Waynes's murderer. People know better that Joker & Joe Chill weren't the same person & never wear. Joe Chill has always been the killer, not Joker.

And Ducard has never been Ra's and the same goes for every character merging in cinema history.


That said, I must say that having thew Joker being the Wayne's killers is genius.

 

[Cain]

Sometimes you cats debate about the most trivial of things I swear.

 

[Milu]

I don't wat to see Bruce be like Ingo Montoya from princess bride

My name is Bruce Wayne. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

 

[deathfromabove]

I disagree.



Delusional? Now that's just insulting.

you are free to disagree and i am free to call you delusional. the "other mugger" looks just like bob, sounds just like bob, and is running around with jack. why did they find a actor that looked like a young bob if they were not trying to make that connection? i dont think its too complicated.

why do you think its not him?

 

[theMan-Bat]

you are free to disagree and i am free to call you delusional.

We are free to disagree with each other, calling anyone who disagrees with you "delusional" is disrespectful and bad form.

the "other mugger" looks just like bob.

No, he doesn't.

why did they find a actor that looked like a young bob

He doesn't look like a young Bob the Goon.

why do you think its not him?

The fact that he's not credited as "young Bob the Goon" is a big clue that maybe he's not suppose to be Bob. He's credited as "other mugger."

The Batman script calls him OTHER HOOD, not Bob the Goon.
http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/batman_production.html

dvdmg.com says: [FONT=arial,sans-serif]"For the record, when he kills the Waynes, Napier’s accomplice was allegedly supposed to be Chill, but the movie’s Joe didn't fire a shot."[/FONT]
http://www.dvdmg.com/batmanse.shtml

imaginarycinema.com says: "It can be inferred that Chill was Jack's accomplice glimpsed in the mugging."
http://imaginarycinema.com/batman.html

 

[deathfromabove]

We are free to disagree with each other, calling anyone who disagrees with you "delusional" is disrespectful and bad form.

im not calling anyone who disagrees with me delusional, just anyone who thinks that is joe chill and not bob the goon

No, he doesn't.

looks like a young bob to me

He doesn't look like a young Bob the Goon.

it looks just like him.



The fact that he's not credited as "young Bob the Goon" is a big clue that maybe he's not suppose to be Bob. He's credited as "other mugger."

The Batman script calls him OTHER HOOD, not Bob the Goon.
http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/batman_production.html

and in the original script jack isnt the killer either

dvdmg.com says: [FONT=arial,sans-serif]"For the record, when he kills the Waynes, Napier’s accomplice was allegedly supposed to be Chill, but the movie’s Joe didn't fire a shot."[/FONT]
http://www.dvdmg.com/batmanse.shtml

imaginarycinema.com says: "It can be inferred that Chill was Jack's accomplice glimpsed in the mugging."
http://imaginarycinema.com/batman.html

i still say its young bob. go ahead and disagree but there is no evidence whatsoever that it was chill.

 

[El Payaso]

I know there's no official confirmation but that dude looks so like a younger Bob the goon.

 

[deathfromabove]

I know there's no official confirmation but that dude looks so like a younger Bob the goon.

i thought that back in '89 when i saw it the theatre. why would they cast a guy who looked like bob if it wasnt intended to be him?

believe what you want.

 

[El Payaso]

i thought that back in '89 when i saw it the theatre. why would they cast a guy who looked like bob if it wasnt intended to be him?

believe what you want.

I'm not sure about the last line but let me say I totally agree with you.

 

[raleagh]

it is inferred that the other mugger is bob when he says "come on Jack, lets go" - the exact same phrase bob says in the chemical factory before he shoot eckhart.

 

[deathfromabove]

it is inferred that the other mugger is bob when he says "come on Jack, lets go" - the exact same phrase bob says in the chemical factory before he shoot eckhart.

 

[theMan-Bat]

it is inferred that the other mugger is bob when he says "come on Jack, lets go" - the exact same phrase bob says in the chemical factory before he shoot eckhart.

In Axis Chemicals Bob says "C'mon, Jack, let's go. C'mon. C'mon, Jack." The fat guy in the helicopter says "C'mon. C'mon" to Jack. Does that infer that he is the same person as Bob? Of course not. And in Bruce's flashback the other mugger says "Man, let's go! Let's go, Jack!" "Let's go" is just a common phrase, just is "C'mon" is a common phrase.

 

[Joker]

His voice is the exact same as Bob's voice too.

 

[The Guard]

No, they're right...it must be "unknown Mugger".