Why Isn't Joker's Real Name Joe Chill Instead of Jack Napier?

[Superhobo]

I can't believe there have been three pages of rabid discussion over this.

 

[deathfromabove]

Yes, there are clues dropped in the film that the other mugger is an adaption of the Joe Chill character in the comics. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

please stop wasting everyone's time and provide us with this evidence already.



I've owned the 2 disc set since the first date they released it. He says that Bob is Jack Napier's right hand man. That's not news to me. That doesn't mean that was Bob in the scene taking place years before the current events where Bob is Jack's right hand man.

thats not all he says friendo...

 

[Cobblepot]

This guy has to be Bob, the way he pulls up his coat in his neck just makes me think Bob. Didn't "old" Bob pull up his coat or sweater at one time in the movie?

 

[Skyline Twenty]

When I saw the movie in the cinema I had no doubt that this guy is Bob. Makes the "Joker kills his old friend" even more vicious, you know

 

[theMan-Bat]

please stop wasting everyone's time and provide us with this evidence already.

Okay. Clues that the other mugger is an adaption of the Joe Chill character, not young Bob the Goon:
Again, the fact that he's not credited as "young Bob the Goon" is a big clue that he's not suppose to be Bob. The credits says "other mugger", not "young Bob the Goon", so we know it wasn't Bob. The actors name is Clyde Gatell. Another big clue - The lack of age difference. Clyde Gatell was 41, and Tracey Walter was 42. Clyde Gatell was born in 1948, and Tracey Walter was born in 1947. If the role was meant to be the young Bob the Goon they would have picked a younger actor. The credits states the other guy as "young Jack Napier", played by Hugo E. Blick. Hugo E. Blick was much younger than Jack Nicholson. Hugo E. Blick was 24, and Jack Nicholson was 52. Hugo Blick was born in 1965, and Jack Nicholson was born in 1937. If Bob the Goon was 41 when Jack Napier was 24, and the modern day Jack is 52, the modern day Bob the Goon should be 73 years old. Since Bob the Goon is 41 when Jack Napier is 52, then back when Jack was 24, Bob the Goon would have been 14. Clyde Gatell is only credited as "other mugger". A "nobody", just like the unknown killer/Joe Chill character in the comics.
The mugger goes for the mothers infamous pearl necklace, just like Joe Chill in the comics.

The mugger was frightened and ran, just like Joe Chill in the comics.
You can see he was sick and felt guilty and disturbed over what happened, unlike the ruthless remorseless psycho Bob the Goon. All the mugger wanted was money. He's just a petty thief, like Joe Chill in the comics.

The final Batman script calls him OTHER HOOD, not Bob the Goon.
http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/b...roduction.html

dvdmg.com says: [FONT=arial,sans-serif]"For the record, when he kills the Waynes, Napier’s accomplice was allegedly supposed to be Chill, but the movie’s Joe didn't fire a shot."[/FONT]
http://www.dvdmg.com/batmanse.shtml

imaginarycinema.com says: "It can be inferred that Chill was Jack's accomplice glimpsed in the mugging."
http://imaginarycinema.com/batman.html

thats not all he says friendo...

True, Tracey Walter talks about his friendship with Jack Nicholson, he even talks about the Bob the Goon action figure, and he doesn't say Clyde Gatell was Bob the Goon.

 

[theMan-Bat]

This guy has to be Bob, the way he pulls up his coat in his neck just makes me think Bob. Didn't "old" Bob pull up his coat or sweater at one time in the movie?

No, but Jack wore his collar up.

 

[Cobblepot]

Hmm my mistake.

 

[Wierdperson31]

Jack Napier and Joe Chill are indeed two different people.
If you recall there were two men involved in the random mugging turned murder.
See this man, this man right here.
The petty thief that goes for the infamous pearl necklace. That's Joe Chill.

No. That's not Joe Chill. That is the thug that always hangs out with and defends Napier. I thnik he always calls him Bob.

 

[HitMe]

lol, you know what? no-one knows if that's chill, bob, or anyone else. Could be a young Jim Gordon for all the information we're given, so stop the debate because it will never reach a conclusion. Anyway, the threads supposed to be about why the JOKER'S name wasn't Joe Chill, not the (possibly) random dude he was standing with.

 

[dude stannis]

It's Viggo Mortensen!

 

[Rattlehead]

This is actually a great question. I never even thought about it before. I think all the evidence points toward mugger #2 being a young Bob. But here's a real mind bender for ya. Maybe it was Joe Chill, but he just changed his name to Bob something later on in life. It could happen. So then that would mean that Joker killed Joe Chill, which would be pretty awesome.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I think it was Clark Kent.

 

[Sawyer]

Jack Napier and Joe Chill are indeed two different people.
If you recall there were two men involved in the random mugging turned murder.
See this man, this man right here.
The petty thief that goes for the infamous pearl necklace. That's Joe Chill.

That's how I've always thought of it.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Seriously? 4-pages of this?

It's Bob.

Bob The God Damned Goon.

That's who the other guy is.

Mystery solved.

Case closed.

/thread

(like that'll happen)

 

[Sawyer]

Seriously? 4-pages of this?

It's Bob.

Bob The God Damned Goon.

That's who the other guy is.

Mystery solved.

Case closed.

/thread

(like that'll happen)

Yeah, cause that guy is clearly a young version of Bob.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Yeah, cause that guy is clearly a young version of Bob.

You're right. He went for an expensive necklace in a ****ing mugging. What other criminal would do that? Must be Joe Chill...

This is the most ridiculous debate I have ever personally seen. As a 5 year old watching this film for the first time I was able to put two and two together and know it was Bob.

Joe Chill? Man, talk about grasping at straws...

I'm out before this thread gives me an ulcer.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Why is he necessarily Joe Chill or Bob?

I've been watching this movie for 20 years and neither possibility ever crossed my mind.

Some of the people here that are convinced he's Bob are acting like jerks.

The only evidence that could even be considered remotely concrete is the character's name in the credits. Everything else is pure hypothesis, and everyone's entitled to have their own. Just don't shove it down other people's throats.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Why is he necessarily Joe Chill or Bob?

I've been watching this movie for 20 years and neither possibility ever crossed my mind.

Some of the people here that are convinced he's Bob are acting like jerks.

The only evidence that could even be considered remotely concrete is the character's name in the credits. Everything else is pure hypothesis, and everyone's entitled to have their own. Just don't shove it down other people's throats.

Not familiar with sarcasm over in your neck of the woods, are we?

I don't know what's sillier, the fact that this argument is happening in the first place or the fact that some are taking it so hard.

ysosrs guise?

 

[Rasputin911]

Back to the original question: i think just making Joker's name Joe Chill would have been a better choice as well. Joe Chill has a sinister ring to it, even more so than Jack Napier (and Nicholson has played enough characters named "Jack" for one lifetime)

 

[Rasputin911]

I think it was Clark Kent.

best reply yet....t:

 

[Travesty]

Its Bob.

When Batman storms the chemical plant:

-Bob: Lets gooooo, lets GO, JACK!

When Bruces parents get killed:

-Bob:Lets gooooo, lets GO, JACK.




You figure it out on your own, just like when you hear, "have you ever danced with the devil, by the pale moon light". When you hear that, you go, "oh yeah, thats Jack Napier, who is The Joker".

 

[CaptainClown]

couldn't it just be just some random thug?

 

[spiderfan970]

I think it was Clark Kent.

Don't start that again. Clark Kent wears glasses. Other mugger doesn't wear glasses.




(it's Joe Chill you people have got to be kidding me, I'm pretty sure I've seen Michael Uslan interviewed hinting that it was. If their ages are that close there's no way it's "young Bob," that's ridiculous. So there's your answer, Joker isn't named Chill because Chill is standing right next to him)

Actually I like it this way better, rather than it just being Joker and changing his name to Joe Chill, I like that they're both there.

 

[drillmaster]

...this is the most pathetic argument I have ever seen.

You are basing you argument based on PEARLS, CREDIT, and a GODDAMN HAT.

Does it credit the other mugger? No. Now you say the actor does not look like Bob. I agree, it doesn't look EXACTLY like him, but they have similar chins and the3 placement of the facial structures are rather similar.

The voice is nearly exact.

It was like 20-30 years ago. Come on, give the guy some slack. And his credit, yes it doesnt say "Young Bob" but it doesnt NOT say it was him.

I dont see why this is going on.

 

[Indrid Cold]

No, "people" don't know better. The fans know, but no one in the general audience has a clue who the murderer of the Waynes was.

That's why many people, even after seeing Begins, still assume the Joker did it.

Interesting idea on paper, looked good on film, horrible for the lore.