Why the Hate for this Movie?

[Majin...]

There's a reason I respect DorkyFresh's opinion because he doesn't have his head up his ass.

well.. that's an interesting thing...i guess i should deduct u were comparing me with DF..and i'm supposed to be the one with ''his head up his ass''....humm...i think u've never actually pulled out your head from that particulary area of your body..if u got smth interesting to say do it...but dont expect me to swallow your S-H-I-T!!OK?!

 

[CaptainClown]

In all seriousness though, I've always said I'll wait for a trailer before condemning this movie. I like some things about it, but that's it really. I'm trying to remain optimistic.

I am pessimistic about projects such as these because I just feel Dragonballs best medium is in animation. It still could be done in live action I will admit, but I think it would need umm... just a new look entirely... I am also bias against movies with this look and feel in general so ya thats me.

I would rather be surprised with a good movie then dissapointed with a bad one.

 

[Water Wagon]

I think when you have something that is so well known and with some many fans, when there are changes these fans get a little worried and protective of what they enjoy.

For example Batman 89 got quite alot of hate alot was around Michael Keaton, at the time Warner Bros got a record # of hate letters.

X-men obviously got alot of hate more than any film i know, fans didnt like the cast, pictures and costumes, the way it was being made more realistic, the story etc.

Spiderman also, because it had that "Director who does Horror B movies", Toby Maguire, Green Goblins suit.


Then after Batman & Robin, Die Another Day fans signed petitions to have the movies back to normal and then when the studios announced a revival these fans complained about Batman Begins & Casino Royale.

You just cant please anyone.

 

[Movies205]

well.. that's an interesting thing...i guess i should deduct u were comparing me with DF..and i'm supposed to be the one with ''his head up his ass''....humm...i think u've never actually pulled out your head from that particulary area of your body..if u got smth interesting to say do it...but dont expect me to swallow your S-H-I-T!!OK?!

See, I can understand someone posting a hostile comment back since I said you had your head up your ass but at least I gave a valid reason. Which you have failed to even retort which is you're treating DBZ as if its some artistic masterpiece, why does it require "Great Acting". "OH NO VEGETA POWER LEVEL IS 10,000!!!!" Christ, Arnold Swargnager is one of the worst actors to ever come out of hollywood yet he's in like 5 of the greatest action films of all time. Same goes for Vin Diesal, Keanu Reeves, etc the list goes on. So again how do I have my head up my ass?

 

[CaptainClown]

Nobody is going to be happy about one thing. It is impossible for everyone to agree on one thing. Complaining is what people do, so you can't say fans are picky because even if the fans who are complaining got what they want there still will be someone complaining.

Especially when there is some source material involved then people become specific especially if they like the source material. Lets see, Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Batman, James Bond, Star Wars etc, etc, etc. So people will always complain.

So expecting for everyone to be behind this movie would be just as foolish as condemning it before we have seen the final product. However you still should be able to make an assessment of what the movie will be like fromt he stills, production value, casting etc etc.

 

[Movies205]

i think Dragonball could have been an artistic masterpiece while maintaining the wacky, sci fi and fantastical elements. i think Dragon Ball had the potential to be the end all/be all of kung fu flicks (at least for a while). a flick that transcends time and cultures. of course....that would be a very tricky thing to pull off, but i think it could've been done.




and yes, there are definitely people that just like to hate...regardless of the film.

Don't get me wrong, I love Kung-Fu flicks and there are some wonderful Kung-Fu films out there and could Dragonball be one of those, absolutely. But even then, the film's story never calls for tremendous acting or "serious" story on the scale of say "Dark Knight" because the series has always been fun and tongue in cheek which is not a bad thing but it calls for different expectations, etc. Many people can not realize the complexity of film and its not as simple as well this worked for "DArk Knight" so everything should be gritty and have the best actors, blah blah. That's my point..

 

[Movies205]

Nobody is going to be happy about one thing. It is impossible for everyone to agree on one thing. Complaining is what people do, so you can't say fans are picky because even if the fans who are complaining got what they want there still will be someone complaining.

Especially when there is some source material involved then people become specific especially if they like the source material. Lets see, Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Batman, James Bond, Star Wars etc, etc, etc. So people will always complain.

So expecting for everyone to be behind this movie would be just as foolish as condemning it before we have seen the final product. However you still should be able to make an assessment of what the movie will be like fromt he stills, production value, casting etc etc.

Again, read my posts. I think you get this impression based on one post, I was merely characterizing the difference between having a valid opinion that is negative and just being unrealistic or overly negative for the sake of it. Obviously, you can't please everyone and what's good to one person, will be crap, however there are somethings that are just completely ridiculous such as "Chatwin is an okay actor but we need a GREAT ACTOR", and I ask "Why?". So don't mistake my posts, I am just saying a lot of people need to start reading what there posting and ask themselves if they really believe what their saying.

 

[Majin...]

See, I can understand someone posting a hostile comment back since I said you had your head up your ass but at least I gave a valid reason. Which you have failed to even retort which is you're treating DBZ as if its some artistic masterpiece, why does it require "Great Acting". "OH NO VEGETA POWER LEVEL IS 10,000!!!!" Christ, Arnold Swargnager is one of the worst actors to ever come out of hollywood yet he's in like 5 of the greatest action films of all time. Same goes for Vin Diesal, Keanu Reeves, etc the list goes on. So again how do I have my head up my ass?

well thats elementary...u have offended me for no reason...just because we r not on the same page u just thought that'd be a great idea..huh?..it wasn't...and as far as u having a valid reason for doing that...thats a lousy excuse..lil' kids r saying that when they just wanna get away with it...if i'd say smth nasty about u or your family u would be totally entitled to curse me....but i haven't so...F - - - off..

 

[Water Wagon]

Nobody is going to be happy about one thing. It is impossible for everyone to agree on one thing. Complaining is what people do, so you can't say fans are picky because even if the fans who are complaining got what they want there still will be someone complaining.

Especially when there is some source material involved then people become specific especially if they like the source material. Lets see, Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Batman, James Bond, Star Wars etc, etc, etc. So people will always complain.

So expecting for everyone to be behind this movie would be just as foolish as condemning it before we have seen the final product. However you still should be able to make an assessment of what the movie will be like fromt he stills, production value, casting etc etc.

Thats my point people would complain this regardless, if it was made as faithful as possible people would say it looked cheesy.

Goku flying on a cloud, not knowing what a woman is, seeing the moon and turning into King Kong, people would have laughed at this.

 

[CaptainClown]

Again, read my posts. I think you get this impression based on one post, I was merely characterizing the difference between having a valid opinion that is negative and just being unrealistic or overly negative for the sake of it. Obviously, you can't please everyone and what's good to one person, will be crap, however there are somethings that are just completely ridiculous such as "Chatwin is an okay actor but we need a GREAT ACTOR", and I ask "Why?". So don't mistake my posts, I am just saying a lot of people need to start reading what there posting and ask themselves if they really believe what their saying.

Well I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Bullza.

Though to what you are saying I will disagree to a certain degree. I believe casting plays a vital role in the overall feel of the movie. Especially with younger actors. When you cast someone like Shia La Buff for a character you can kind of know what you are going to get. (A plethora of "nnonnononononon") Chadwin is the same way, when I see him visually I get this feel of a cheap movie. Some type of movie that is made for young teens.

I do agree you don't need a GREAT actor for the part, just an actor who has the characteristics and look of the character he is playing. Acting plays an important factor (Hayden Christenson looked the part, but sucked at acting) as well since we don't want line reading.

 

[Majin...]

Though to what you are saying I will disagree to a certain degree. I believe casting plays a vital role in the overall feel of the movie. Especially with younger actors. When you cast someone like Shia La Buff for a character you can kind of know what you are going to get. (A plethora of "nnonnononononon") Chadwin is the same way, when I see him visually I get this feel of a cheap movie. Some type of movie that is made for young teens.

somebody finally understands my point of view

 

[huzzah]

Thats my point people would complain this regardless, if it was made as faithful as possible people would say it looked cheesy.

Goku flying on a cloud, not knowing what a woman is, seeing the moon and turning into King Kong, people would have laughed at this.

But nobody laughs when a person turns into a werewolf because its scary. I've seen Monkey flying on a cloud but didnt think it was stupid because I was aware of where the idea came from.

But you cant do any of this with Chatwin/Goku because the production team is so focused on realism and making things realistic. I dont want realism.

 

[CaptainClown]

Thats my point people would complain this regardless, if it was made as faithful as possible people would say it looked cheesy.

Goku flying on a cloud, not knowing what a woman is, seeing the moon and turning into King Kong, people would have laughed at this.

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Yes.. because transformations look ridiculous... yes Bullza...

The public will buy anything you sell, it all depends on how you present it. In the context of this movie YES all that would look stupid (well minus the not knowing what a woman is). However if treated in a certain way the public would role with it.

Have you not seen fantasy movies... Lets use Harry Potter for example, where goblins and trolls and all this crap exists? The public is fine with it because it treats it appropriately.
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[CaptainClown]

somebody finally understands my point of view

(tips hat) gotta defend the haters hehe

But nobody laughs when a person turns into a werewolf because its scary. I've seen Monkey flying on a cloud but didnt think it was stupid because I was aware of where the idea came from.

But you cant do any of this with Chatwin/Goku because the production team is so focused on realism and making things realistic. I dont want realism.

Ya, some things you CAN NOT be looked through a realistic POV. This is one of those things. Like Star Wars, if you apply the rules of our world there, it would just be a lame movie. You need to believe that this universe is real and thats how it works.

 

[Water Wagon]

But your talking about a 18 year old kid that turns into an ape taller than building, and according to that insider he turns into a beast anyway.

I think the tail being absent was a good idea. Goku is supposed to not know hes an alien hench the shock when Raditz tells him.

But you cant have a 18 year old kid that goes to school be the only 1 there with a brown tail and not think hes not different.

 

[DorkyFresh]

which is why the whole high school aspect shouldn't have been done in the first place.

 

[Water Wagon]

Then hed be a 18 year old kid whose never been out the forest.

 

[Movies205]

Well I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Bullza.

Though to what you are saying I will disagree to a certain degree. I believe casting plays a vital role in the overall feel of the movie. Especially with younger actors. When you cast someone like Shia La Buff for a character you can kind of know what you are going to get. (A plethora of "nnonnononononon") Chadwin is the same way, when I see him visually I get this feel of a cheap movie. Some type of movie that is made for young teens.

I do agree you don't need a GREAT actor for the part, just an actor who has the characteristics and look of the character he is playing. Acting plays an important factor (Hayden Christenson looked the part, but sucked at acting) as well since we don't want line reading.

So you agree with me but you feel the need to say you disagree with me because I don't see the casting as a problem is what you're saying? I never said casting isn't vital, I said that a great actor isn't needed because it is not. However, whether Chatwin fits is a matter of opinion that I won't argue with.

 

[Movies205]

somebody finally understands my point of view

Actually not at all that's not what you said, you said "great actor" which I deflated that argument. What CaptainClown is saying is completely different and is a matter of opinion.

 

[CaptainClown]

Then hed be a 18 year old kid whose never been out the forest.

yes like Mowgli

So you agree with me but you feel the need to say you disagree with me because I don't see the casting as a problem is what you're saying? I never said casting isn't vital, I said that a great actor isn't needed because it is not. However, whether Chatwin fits is a matter of opinion that I won't argue with.

No I agree that an actor doesn't have to be "amazing". I am disagreeing with a point that I interpreted from what you said that fans shouldn't have these kind of "unreal" expectations when it comes to casting. I think it is valid to have concerns about casting. So you ask "why should we get a better actor to play goku?" and I am saying that people on here get certain impressions from the casting so their demand for a specific kind of casting is not out of th eball park

 

[StylishHokie21]

Then hed be a 18 year old kid whose never been out the forest.

And? What's wrong with that?

 

[Alchemyst]

And? What's wrong with that?

Honestly, I dont see a problem with it. Any way you cut, we're at mercy of the director. They can take different liberties with projects like this and add in elements and plots that we might not find necessary due to the fact that it was never a big issue in the show, but they feel like its something the "people" should know. In a way, it hurts to see this movie being done the way it is, because DB has the potential to be a great film, but I feel like everything we've seen so far with the exception of a few pics have been pretty mediocre. Now, everyone is waiting for the trailer to come out so we can see it in motion, and if the trailer is not that great, it may sway some people's decision to see the film.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Agreed. I haven't seen anything so far to convince me this will be amazing. A trailer might change my mind, but we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Majin...]

ok,then...let me tell u how i wanted things to look like in this movie..first of all im not expecting roshi to be a perv all the way but they could have made that clear just by adding one single(but suggestive) line that would totally convince people he's a little bit ''special''-there's no need for physical behaviour like nagging bulma to show her panties or things like that.Secondly...i wanted this movie not to be a family one(which deff involves lil' kids supervised by parents)..i wanted to be a brutal one ;with great fight scenes..and very obscure..like for example they should start by introducing piccolo to us (a short hystory-i mean the man has been arround here for like 2000 years...and i'm sure that back then, people feared him thinking he's some sort of a god<or love him cuz i understand he used to be a good guy but then he wanted to be god-kami but he was too proud so he divided in 2 parts:the good one and the evil one-according to the anime-oh and i wanna see how romans feared him and his weird supernatural army...he must of wanted to conquer and rule the world,u know>and then they should have shown us what r those forces that locked him away(oh i forgot-he deff had to have a temple build by humans and there it should be his space ship or smth-it would be awesome if we'd find out he made the egyptians(but not only them) to build the pyramides and other great structures of this world for him, but i dont think thats possible since those were built 4000 years ago and piccolo...-actually they say he was imprisoned 2000 years ago not that he first appeared right then..so my theory just might work).ok now after this intro we should see goku-same thing here 2 ....people must know (if fox considers it's better not to tell them he's an alien) his origins too-u know grand-pa gohan(who should be the last descendent of a great group/brotherhood of fighting monks who imprisoned piccolo)...his training.....and i personally would lose those highschool minutes...and make him some sort of young indy jones(except that great education he has)...by that i mean gohan should teach him everything he knows(and that includes the difference between boys and girls..and how not to take anyone's crap-yes im talking about those lines when goku says:''dude, my bike ''and the bully asks the other guy:''did u just fart?''-thats just stupid..it's like goku is getting his ass kicked everytime at school and noone respects him) and when goku accidentally kills him(gohan) he starts a journey arround the world seeking for artefacts/dragon balls-that means we should see him traveling in latin america,africa,syberia,under the seas,at the north pole-it would look more real- (yes gohan should have teached him about db and the danger of piccolo might some day escape in order to get them)..but still that doesn't mean he shouldnt be funny at all....this is it..if u understand where i'm coming from, fine..if u don't...whatever..i just wanted u dudes to know that im not expecting to see flying clouds, goku saying''what's up bro?'' to monkeys or anything like that...i wanted this to be dark and serious(afterall the world depends on this guy-goku- and he should know the responsability he has-and the gravity of the situation-so he should start acting like that)..a highscool boy that saves the world by managing to defeat the most powerfull warrior the world had ever seen..yeah that's for 4-8 yars old kids and i dont want that..i was hopeing to be more like ''batman begins''...
oh..and i dont wanna see a movie where the action has nothing to do with the rest of the world..i mean i wanna see the impact piccolo has among common people..i want him to be threathening ...just showing some fight moments in the desert would not satisfy me cuz it would look out of the real life(don't get me wrong, i love it when they fight in the desert but they shouldn't stop there)...so goku and his friends should go pick up the balls that r closer to them and piccolo should do the same thing(with the nearby ones)...and they should meet twice:first they fight for ball no.x(whatever ball u want),piccolo wins...then the race starts again(goku gets some serious training with master roshi),and finally they end up fighting for ball no.7 when goku can't allow himself to lose...he gets mad and finishes his opponent with the kamehameha wave...i'm saying it would be more interesting if they could make us feel the adrenaline level rising when they try to gather first all the balls in a battle against time and each other...

 

[Theweepeople]

See, I can understand someone posting a hostile comment back since I said you had your head up your ass but at least I gave a valid reason. Which you have failed to even retort which is you're treating DBZ as if its some artistic masterpiece, why does it require "Great Acting". "OH NO VEGETA POWER LEVEL IS 10,000!!!!" Christ, Arnold Swargnager is one of the worst actors to ever come out of hollywood yet he's in like 5 of the greatest action films of all time. Same goes for Vin Diesal, Keanu Reeves, etc the list goes on. So again how do I have my head up my ass?

The only great action films I remember Keanu Reeves and Vin Diesel acting in are The Matrix and Saving Private Ryan. The matrix sequels are defintely not classics and neither are Vin Diesels other action films.

Arnold has been in some great action films but, not as many as you stated. The only great one was Terminator 2. The original Terminator is a good film but, it was developed on a budget of 6.4 million and it really shows. The movie has aged over the years. Commando is a fun movie and it has one of the most unbelievable storylines I've ever seen. Total Recall and Predator were both good films that could have been better if the screenplays had been a little different. The Running Man had way more potential than the film we ended up with. Red Sonja was garbage and the conan movies were mediocre.

The mid to late 90s were not kind to Arnold(Last Action Hero(crap), Eraser(average), Batman and Robin(crap), True Lies(decent but, not great), End of Days(average), and The sixth Day(crap)).