Sequels Why X-Men First Class Will Be A Good Thing!

its confirmed that the direction they want to go is a teen discovering there powers drama action.... But i figure much simular to X-Men Evolution when they tackled the better story lines in series 3.

I have only one GRIPE about it... Why do they have to call it X-Men First Class? Its a subtitle, it really just makes you feel its a stand alone film, i mean what would the next one be called, X-Men First Class 2, second class? another class, no class?

Personally i feel they should simply retitle it and call it "X-Men The Origin" Has a whole Batman Begins feel to it, plus you could extend X-Men The Origin beyond 3 movies

Example...

X-Men The Origin: First Class
X-Men The Origin: Children Of The Atom
X-Men The Origin: Legacy
 
Just of the top of my head...

X-Men: First Class
X-Men: Second Year
X-Men: The Final

Kind of cheesy but it works.
 
I guess so. But Fox has never cared about series title consistency (X-Men -> X2: X-Men United -> X-Men: The Last Stand -> X-Men Origins: Wolverine). They might call the sequel something completely different. I personally like X-Men: Children of the Atom.
 
I too think there needs to be more senor characters in the x-men world especially first class, Forge in his 40's would seem a good fit.
if we're talking first class here then no . now forge should be closer to storm age when that starts if the add him in.

Just add in banshee and Moira rand Amelia voght that was a part of the acolytes of magneto she's around magneto's and Xavier's age's well and that'll round it off.

Lauren S Donner has said that Magneto movie depends on Wolverine box office... and I'd say First class too.

I'm sure if Wolverine doesn't work well, they won't do more spin-offs, and yes X4.... but almost everybody don't think so...

to all the "x-men" fans, I'd say don't wacth Wolverine in the threatre....
seeing from the last yahoo couple of trailers they changed wolverine origins the part where he was kid and all to make saber tooth his brother and turn the character of dog to saber tooth and ruin the part of the story that rose took him away and made it saber tooth. I get what you mean. fox has serious problems with ruin perfectly OK stories.

but what you said does cause a problem to let X4 and first class be done. and i do want an X4. But on the other hand i also want a reboot.

Somewhat Random thought: What if they made this a TV show on fox? Would you guys watch it?
No I don't want fox in control of that they'll make it even worse. even with the writers I suggested on the other thread. they'll just turn it into the live action wolverine show and you know it. and those writers I mentioned will mostlikly eventually walk off too.

Please don't give them any more idea's to turn it into that. cause that's what they'll do .
 
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Lets just name it what Fox is really going for X-men: High School Musical.
 
No I don't want fox in control of that they'll make it even worse. even with the writers I suggested on the other thread. they'll just turn it into the live action wolverine show and you know it. and those writer I mention will mostlikly walk off too.

Please don't give them any more idea's to turn it into that. cause that's what they'll do.

Hey, I'm not pro this being turned into a TV show either, it just seems like the next big stupid thing, Fox would do or think about. And then they would leak all the episodes before the first season starts, blame it on the effects company, and say something like thats not all the episodes we filmed when it actually is.

And Canemacar, I really hope there's no singing in this movie.:yay:
 
I hope it'll be good. I think First Class is more likely to happen than Magneto.



I'm doubting the Magneto movie will actually take place at this point. Some elements of the script might be in X-Men: First Class though.
 
Forge and Storm wasnt the same age, in the comics the're was at least a 10 year gap between them, i guess if it is a prequel from x-men the movie, storm in that movie was 30ish, So at that time Forge would of been in his 40's, maybe in first class Forge would be in his late 20's or early 30's... depends on the time frame first class appears after wolverine and before x-men 1...

They could pass a few years in the movie time line and characters like Cyclops who was what 16? in wolverine is now 19 in First Class, purely to show the progression of time.
 
according to what Mr Chris claremont told me and a few other fans when i was on comics fan x- fan the web site when he was writing X-treme x-men storm was actually 28 by his and other marvel writers count.

I think he was going with the thing that the fantastic four in the MU started in the 80's and everything else time line wise went from there. and marvels been on that since not the perceived time line I think your thinking of. and their going with the one year time line wise for the comics only takes place after every 5 years for us real time. take in in the consideration of serial's in story telling and the fact they have to deal with issue monthly and the fact that story arc's go by cliff hangers and all that.

and she's 2 year's older the cyclops from what was put and told in essential X-Men. from what the books have shown and angels (warren) age wise he's year older then cyclops him self. but that's on the comic's I can do the whole age number thing and what took place with certain characters I have the count when i was detailing hinm telling us this. but for the most part they left guys like forge vague. cause in marvel time like the war's he( forge) fought in it may have taken longer then it did our world. from what they told us any way.

But any way seeing that this is fox we're talking about and that they screwed up the ages by screwing with the time lines anyway. so I don't harp on them age wise cause you'll wont get what you want as long as they have control of it. man i want a reboot.

I'm only saying closer age wise cause it'll be too messed up to have him that old in first class
and they have other character's old enough to have what you want. so ....
 
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Forge fought in vietnam, so it make him the same age as tony stark...

But the movie reality, Storm in x1 is in her early 30's not late 20's... the actress portraying the character is also in her early 30's so thats what age they will go with...

Forge on the other hand, the facts are known of his history, he thought in vietnam,

Storm was born in the late 50's as her age by time she got to x-men in 1974 she was a teenager in her 18th or 19th birthday, there is no why she and forge could be the same age, Forge because he thought in the vietnam war which finished in 1975, and had to be what over 21 to join the army.... plus the number of stories of forge during the vietnam war which would suggest he was there for a long time.

This leaves Forge and Storm with a 10 year age gap...

Forge needs to be older, i thought that is what Storm was attracted to, she had the mentality of a goddess, an elder in a younger body, So the guys she looks for is Older than her.
 
It's confirmed its a teen story by Donner and she says it will put a lighter touch on the franchise. :(

Now, I'm not liking this too much. If they want to make the franchise lighter (why exactly is that?), then the Professor recruiting kids to fight his battles aspect is out the window, too. I loved that thing, with all the ambiguity. Not so happy about the confirmation. :(

That said, I'm not giving up hope. None of the films so far sucked anywhere near as much as say, FF2 or Elektra. They might just make it work - but I don't like kids in films like X-Men.
 
He's been in that kind of situation in the comic for the last 10 years and it's absolutely killed his popularity. Gibbering fangirls may like it, but everyone else loathes it.

Frankly, they should put him in Wolverine 2 or nothing at all. It's not like he had a good reason to be in the first one to begin with.
And what exactly is wrong with female fans thinking Gambit is hot? Don't you male readers have TONS of eye candy characters? Most of Emma's fanbase is male (in my experience) and no one complains about that. Why is it that when the female readership gets a character to drool over everyone complains? Gambit being good-looking doesn't take away from his character, blame bad writing for that.
 
And what exactly is wrong with female fans thinking Gambit is hot? Don't you male readers have TONS of eye candy characters? Most of Emma's fanbase is male (in my experience) and no one complains about that. Why is it that when the female readership gets a character to drool over everyone complains? Gambit being good-looking doesn't take away from his character, blame bad writing for that.

I wasn't talking about him being attractive to women, I was talking about him being a Dawson's Creek type of character i.e. teeniebopper soap opera.
 
Forge fought in vietnam, so it make him the same age as tony stark...

But the movie reality, Storm in x1 is in her early 30's not late 20's... the actress portraying the character is also in her early 30's so thats what age they will go with...

Forge on the other hand, the facts are known of his history, he thought in Vietnam,

Storm was born in the late 50's as her age by time she got to x-men in 1974 she was a teenager in her 18th or 19th birthday, there is no why she and forge could be the same age, Forge because he thought in the vietnam war which finished in 1975, and had to be what over 21 to join the army.... plus the number of stories of forge during the vietnam war which would suggest he was there for a long time.

This leaves Forge and Storm with a 10 year age gap...

Forge needs to be older, i thought that is what Storm was attracted to, she had the mentality of a goddess, an elder in a younger body, So the guys she looks for is Older than her.
i know what war he fought in velvet, the thing is the the writers stated the war took longer in then in mu then the one we know of that's what I'm telling you they told us. that claremont told us different things and she's dated Davis/ aka slip stream and he was younger then her so she doesn't always do that.

And I'm also telling you they changed lot of stuff. when did you stop reading? cause seriously those writer and you aren't in the same page cause they threw out a lot of that set age thing a long while ago.

look that's what he told us the age thing goes like this one second while i find it

ok spider man as they stated when civil war was going on he's 24 most of the heroes that started of as teenager's like the X-Men with a few exception like those like banshee wolverine and prof x are in their mid to late 20's that means guy 's like the new warrior's and most of the X and under are in their mid to late 20's and the rest of the newer heroes are in their teens.

said past event's in characters lives's such as the time Gambit left the Guild to how much time passed to the Event's of the massacre. Other then that I said it was a waste of time, and you'd have to Overhaul Each character in the MU From Capt. America( who's still in his Early 30's.)to who knows who? Forget it. It's wast of time. There are other thing's to Worry about.



that's what I mean. he's older but physically he's in his 30's and has been that Way for along time while ever X-Man not counting Wolvie, X, banshee, is younger push there Age up you have to Age Capt and other in the MU to Match and to make other character older you'd have to do the same to him(Capt. America) that's what I Mean by Overhaul ever one of the character's Ages and in Capt's case physically, and that 's just too much for every single one to be done.
Leave it where it is. before We end up with a big mess. we have Enough rescanned story only for this to happen and for that idea of Ageing them to be Retconned. and when that happen it will be the whopper of Retconned story's that will kill Every thing. No, NO. Leave it be Leave it Alone.









How so? and I better not that his Age was transfer through AOA bishop, time lost touching the Main stream Bishop.

As I said if you read that story the only thing that was transferred was Say it with me people "Memory" that issue of AOA X-Men Omega said nothing more, and that version disappear with Legion holding on to Legion.

I better not get his age was transferred or that a month that passes in or time is the same for them. Even if, that Character was left in a cliff hanger, which must be Addressed in the Following issue for the story to make sense.

which obviously takes place on that same Day we left that Character, which means that those character's are way behind us because that. As far as month are concerned.

What are ya telling me, as soon as a character is locked in a "I'm about to dye situation, "cliff hanger" how do I get out of this?"

Are you Actually saying That person About to kill them is taking that much of their sweet time,(since they should Run in the same time period as we do IYO.) to do the job of killing them? How does that make Sense? I ask you now.

And As I remember since marvel time was slow in and that Applies to every book, Bishop only stayed in that future a few short month's or week's, they never stated that years on end had past.

And they never Ever Stated his Age, when he First Appeared. just saying that he should be this age does not work unless they hint at his age.
Which they the writer's have never Done. unless you Can point to one where they Did hint at his age, when he made his first appearance.

This train of thought is umm, poor. I'm Not Trying to being Rude.
But I want better Evidence then what you've said. Something that was in the books that stated his age or gave hint of it.

Not because that's what he looks like to you. And your throwing wild guesses.

Which I think I've said a number of time's here. Just people are making the chose and are Trying very hard to Ignore that fact About the "Cliff hanger's". (and we all know comics only come on a monthly bases.) I don't want the answer AOA Bish Transferred his age to mainstream bish it was not said.in that issue or any other.

So I don't want it as an answer or we'll know what really is "Ludicrous"
here.


And If I remember correctly that age with beast was retconned in the hidden years

gambit - 23, supposedly it has been only 5 years continuity time since morlock massacre. gambit was around 18 when it happened.
rogue - 21, 22- claimed she was college aged in a new x-men issue after she had kissed gambit. probably closer to 22 as she was 18 when morlock massacre happened
storm 27-29? - most likely in late 20s as beast is supposed to be 30 though there's the retconn on his age and she is probably a couple years younger
bishop - 25- 30's? i guess he is around that age
thunderbird III? - no clue in 20's most likely
sage - around beasts age, probably late 20's to early 30's

ice man is 241/2
Emma is 25

jean is 25
cyclops is 27 - 28 now

angel is 28 to 29

storm is the near the same age as warren aka angel but older


oh my... Ok right About Gambit. and they didn't put the year that he was born. but this is what most writer's that I have talked to from marvel have been telling fan's since I've been able to talk to them.

BTW I'm talking about the original marvel universe and not ultimate like the other would answers seem to be talking about.
. that would have made thing more clear to answer your question. int he ultimate titles he's dancing on 15 -16 just like the original started from. but i'm more partial to the original universe. other wise known as 616. but we do cover the ultimate titles as you see on our web site.



So I blame them for useing the stupid idea of the six month when they knew they can't push that cause it'll change up all the ages. and cause confusion. when they still say other's like cap and dare devil and the other's are still in their early 30 physically anmd added to franklin Richards age. great job JOE Q.

BTW you have seen the JOE Q Friday back in the day right? about him " ~Clarifies the continuity of the X-books again"

and what he said there.
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Q: “Otipep_90” - Hey Joe, with both the Astonishing and Uncanny X-teams out in space and with Rogue's team leaving the X-mansion, who will look after the New X-Men, if anyone at all.

JQ: Hey, Otipep. In case you missed the continuity clarification in one of my recent Joe Fridays (DON’T MISS A WEEK, FOLKS), here’s how it works. The “Torn” and “Unstoppable” arcs in Astonishing X-Men happen over the span of a few days. Those days will fit in neatly when the last Joss and John issue of Astonishing comes out. So Cyclops, Wolvie, Colossus, Kitty, Beast and Emma are still in the mansion watching over Rockslide and the rest of the kids.


from here .http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays24.html damn


and yet as we 've seen joss isnt' the only one that write like this. is he? this is why serial story arcs can't run in real time and we shouldn't expect them to.


or as I call them the Cliff hanger stories lines are what slow this down. real time can't apply If you do what they do in ultimate universe , all you'll get is unsatisfaction. cause Restarting continuously will get stale too.( damn I for got they reformatted newsarama any I'm sure they still have the article.)

And the concept was never a good one from the get go. when you think about it right. in order for written world to continue you have to look back. or make sure As to not step on the former writer's work never touch the subject or to integrate both his work with his in the proper manner. or don't ever touch up on it again. but you can't giving the character's memory's makes them seem more human as well. so then your really stuck.

this is why what they were pushing was bad concept with this.

this thing can't run in real time and never will . if you force it it'll cause confusion. and it is doing that right now. this is why it was never a good thing to discuss age of the heroes.

I know for lot of us it makes the character's seem more human, but then you have to over haul and if capt(yeah i know he's dead doesn't matter ther are others) and dare devil etc don't start showing back pain and other old people symptoms , this is a ridiculous thing to force other's that are younger then them into their age with them still being the same age.

it's too nonsensical. and besides them interacting with those other older in age characters makes marvel seem more like a real world more so then forcing the age's to some thing that'll cause's confusion.


see what I'm saying. this is what happens when you don' t put thought into doing certain thing's.


this why the new warriors got into the trouble they did too cause they just did and didn't bother to plan thing's out properly.
it has nothing to do with training it's what up in you head and how you Execute thing's . and it seem's a lot of us older people(mostly marvel) cant do that still in real life. blast it marvel.

the X-men are/were the start of the younger heroes and that's a cool thing. the fan base relates to them cause of that cause most of the fans are near those age's or younger. do a search on that link on X-men verses avenger's and guess what most fan's would choose. just cause of what I just said. other then that I don't know what to say especially the guy's at marvel saying storm 28 etc.

you can't change this thing with out having the other's ages as well . the Reason the is close to real to us is cause some things have to make sense. that's like forcing me to be my former bosses Charley's age. and I'm sure my family that was there for my birth will get confused cause all of sudden I'm Charley age and yet was born 2 year's after him. no thing's have make sense.

sorry and BTW I don't mind them ageing if you are seeing this.

but that's what happens when the whole phasing out things starts and some people will start dropping the book's cause capt and dare devil are in wheel chairs. and have dentures for teeth and need replacement's like what took place in batman Beyond. which was a very Cool show and I wished it went on.

But some people hated seeinbruce wayne like that.

Hey they show cased him as he was intended but the guy's not gonna live for ever. right? he needs someone to take up his mantle . but a lot of people didn't seem to like it, cause of that I know I had debates with them Especially on the video game forums. and sheesh people didn't , like it.

what can you freaking do.
 
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Didn't read that whole post, but the ages posted are way off.

Gambit: Easily 27, probably older. There were several years between when he left NO at 18 and when he led the Marauders.

Rogue: Correct for the most part.

Storm: Estimated to be in her early thirties, she was one of the older members of the ANAD team(aside from Logan and Banshee).

Bishop: I think he age was given as middle thirties in one of his solo projects a couple years ago.

Iceman: He's only a year or so younger than Scott, as said in some the very first x-men comics. He's nearly thirty.

Emma: In her 40's at least. She was in her thirties back when she first appeared in the 70's. She's just had a lot of plastic surgery done to look younger.

Jean: About the same as Scott.

Scott; Is cannonically a year younger than Beast, who celebrated his 30th in the mid-90's. so probably 31 or so.

Beast: 32ish.

Angel is in the same age group as the rest of the O5, making him 31ish.
 
beast age was reconted cause of x-men hidden years comic last issue. and until they age D.D. C.A. and most importantly iron man 40 somthing move from their early to mid 30`s ages, he`s 28 -29. it was done by John Byrne X-Men: The Hidden Years #22 the last birth day contradict's the beast turns 30 one. I wouldn't waste my time mentioning it if it didn't happen.

http://www.mutanthigh.com/hidden22.html
here's the books issue and the reviewer didn't know about it un til after. but if you find it and compair the two of best turn 30 with this you'll see what i'm telling you. marvel changed it.

no Canemacar his( cyclops) age was said when he was with Jean in the Greys' house sometime before the Onslaught saga and he said he was 25 he was testing out jean's nephew and niece with a guess where the object is with both my hands trick. and some thing about age came up and he stated his age. and got cut off in mid sentence.

I have the issue's and every ones been counting that since then it was the same issue where bishop and gambit were trying to stop the Runaway mutant train where sinister infects people with his latest experiments. it was one of my favorite issues.

Scott was saying 25 year's old back then . and in gen X it stated that Emma is just a year older then ice man which means she jean's age. Scott's around 27 -28 now. very least 29. also they did big retconns with emma frost which you can blame grant morrison for that and the guy that wrote the Emma frost Ls. but her age was never really stated before that and i know they were also doing the weird villains must have harsher feathers that make them look older then the hero's facially back then in the 80's they were all fallowing what Disney was doing prior after that decade end they stopped. but she did look young then even selen and the other hell fire club members. but back then most evil people were only seen as only ugly or older looking to be labeled as evil to go with the title look wise. even when they turned out to be the same age. so it threw a lot of people off .

Emma and jean should be around 26 -27 since all that havey retconning.
and it's not like there aren't any young teacher's teaching high schools in north america these days. alot alot only in their early to mid 20's in some of the places in certain states only have two years with teaching courses to be teachers. it depends on the state though.

Bobby's danceing 25 following emma and peter Parker close behind him(ice man) age wise . ETC It's was weird that I made it to the same age as him (scott )now I'm past him in age . oh well some how I just be came slightly older. oh well some people might find it cool, other might have other ideas about it. like you but what ever no big deal. and then there's kitty with the machanicx comics where her age was stated. any i have no reason to lie cause they did tell that and others.

I 'm not gonna go crazy about it. cause i'm sure when you do run into the comic writers like claremont and they tell you other wise you'll be wanting to go through the roof. I know alot of people did when they told them that at comics fan X fan that day.

and no bishop was 25 when he came to present time after the first go around. and no adding what happened in age of apoc didn't change his age that version of bishop punched him and gave him memories to try and avoid it. not changed him physically in age. and gambit wasn't leader of the Marauders he was just the guide after sinister shut down his true potential powers as shown in the gambit series Vol. II gambit saw it as trying to do a favor and saw the massacre tried to stop it but couldn't and took off after saving marrow. they also showed that when sinister did that they stated he( gambit) was in deed really young when he put gambit true potential powers into dormancy.

and as in late teens when the morlock massacre happened. so i'm right
is is near rogues age. i'm sure they are about the same age but he's older.

again it's not me this is what I was told, your gonna have to find out for you selves. but I'm sure when you do well, I'll be glad not to be there when you go off. it's just how marvel been doing things though. I 've done enough on this now any way. it's distracting from the topic.

There other's like a Amalia voght to play with with teachers end of things so .
 
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