Will Fanboys Ever Learn?

Glut of comicbook movies is better than glut of remakes, especially remakes of movies that aren't even very old and didn't need to be remade. The problem is they are adapting comics that have no widespread name recognition or appeal. Nothing against Kick-Ass or Scott Pilgrim, but it's pretty absurd movies have been made of those two while Wonder Woman and Flash haven't been made.

Movies have always had tons of adaptations from outside sources. Most of Hitchcock's films were adaptions. There's nothing wrong with a certain amount of that happening. I think we all know a Flash movie that was made with as much effort and as faithful as the Scott Pilgrim movie would do a hell of a lot more than #4 box office and a few million bucks.


while I agree that it slightly rediculous that very recent and largely unknown comics are getting adaptations long before classic and well known characters theres a reason for that. Many of these smaller comics are artist owned or at least small scale enough that the creators have a large hand on getting the adaptations made. In the case of Kick Ass and Scott Pilgrim, the comics and scripts were written concurrently. The comic creators were on set and often are very close to the directors. The same goes with Hellboy. The passion and the care is there so the movies get made, instead of merely waiting around for 70 years for a giant studio cash in.
 
It's not even f**king original, it's another f**king comicbook movie thats headed towards youngins. .

Actually, it's not..but I totally get what you're saying.

However, I dont mind adaptations. If that's as original as it's going to get now...then whatever. :o

But I would pefer Inceptions and District 9's. Two movies that blew me away so much.

Same with Inglorious Basterds.
 
I hate to pat myself on the back but I re-read my opening post and I'm f**king proud of it. Some people obviously aren't reading it because they have responded the way I thought they would. They completely negate the entire post and point of the thread to talk about how awesome nerd movies are and how movies aren't good based on boxoffice numbers and how Scott Pilgrim will become a huge hit on DVD and how the audiences taste in movies is terrible.

I addressed all of those things but you wouldn't know it if you read some of the reponses. lol Nerds are so predictable and I obviously should know that because I post on Superhero Hype. I wish they'd get a new song and dance routine because the old one is played the hell out.

Scott Pilgrim is lucky it made as much as it did because I thought that a double degit opening was in trouble.

It's your condescending thread title.

It puts people on the defensive.
 
I'd be upset if First Class underperformed since it seems to be the first X-men film in a long while with legitimate talent behind it.
i think its time for some forward movement in this thread.

JP is showing signs of a classic naive fan( no offense JP i dont mean to insult you).


''legitima talent behind ''

you talking abou the hypocrite who run away from X3? you mean the guy whoes ideas were in X3 that are bashed from fans? :cwink:
Vaughn was a smart man that he run away. but fact is that hes ideas were in the movie.

now to X4. they start filming in some weeks. its F...... august already. the movie comes out in summer 2011. :huh:
with all due respect. there is no way that this movie will be cheap if they are rushing. and since they are rushing and sine X3 and wolverine lefta bad taste in their mouth i dont see how the movie could make a lot of money.

and back to Vaughn. he run away when he saw that the movie is rushed. now he is back directing because he needs a commercial hit.

my opinion :oldrazz:
 
Dark b, thats is the exact reason that he is back directing an X-Men film. There is no "think" about it, dude's needs the exposure/cash.
 
Comic book movies is a genre like horror or romantic comedy.

It's here to stay. :yay:

It's here to stay, but it has been here since 1941. The point is, genres go in and out of fashion. Superhero movies are incredibly popular at present. They will not be so for ever. Sooner or later, audiences will tire of them, and the studios will stop throwing money at anything based on a comicbook.
 
I have absolutely nothing adaptations. I just get fed up with remakes and to a lesser extent sequals. A great many of the movies people consider to be the "greats" are adaptations. Especially in the early days, movies were largly spruced up plays that themselves were based off of books. I mean if you eliminated adaptations, good cinema would be slim pickings, but did the world really need die hard 4?

so when i hear a new comic being adapted, i'm open to it, as long as they try to do something new with it, but when it came to the anouncement of spiderman 4 or now the reboot, or xmo:wolverine or others like it, I sort of groaned.
 
Hollywood is starved for ideas and there are thousands of comic book titles.

The days when comics are ignored by Hollywood are gone. That ship has sailed.

Every year for the past 10 years Hollywood has released roughly 5 comic book movies per year and there's no sign of this slowing down.

Comic book movies are diverse enough to keep the publics interest.
 
i think the problem is that they dont have anymore 2 or 4 big action movies. but sometimes 4-6.

you can not have so many movies between 2-3 months and expect every movie to be a hit.

i also spit on every producer who thinks that you can not realese a blockbuster outside the summer. december,march or even f....... november.
 
Trends always come and go. Science-fiction, slasher films, girl horror, superhero movies, crime movies...all genres have their ups and downs. But comic adaptations are the hot thing right now and that trend won't be stopping any time soon.

Also, box office ≠ quality.
 
So it seems that some are actually shocked by the terrible opening of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, but the question is, why? Did Kick Ass, after tons of marketing and hype, not open to only 19.8mil and have s**t legs early this year? In April actually. Now that movie wasn't a bomb like Pilgrim because of it's budget but Lion's Gate can't be happy about it's gross because they bought it and sunk tons of money into marketing it. Yes it did well this week on DVD but nobody is going to be making alot of cash on it. It's a disappointment if you have any knowlege of how the boxoffice works. The people who are okay with it's gross are the people who made it.

Why do the fanboys keep doing this to themselves everytime a movie that only appeals to a select group opens? Why do they believe that it's going to turn into some big hit when it never does?

Watchmen was supposed to be a huge hit (I thought that it could be and I really enjoyed it) but despite a big opening it only made a little over 100mil. The Incredible Hulk was supposed to be a big hit and yet it wasn't and a sequel doesn't look to be in the cards. Both films were championed by the geeks and neither of them did nearly as well as many thought they would. Now these movies actually did gross 100mil so thats something but still they did not hit the way fanboys said that they would. They are underperformers.

By now we should know that these type of films just aren't going to be huge blockbusters. We should stop letting the comic con hype get in the way of our predictions of their boxoffice. I'm not talking about rather they deserved to be big hits or if they are good movies or not. The facts is we should stop pretending that everybody's taste is going to mirror our own. We should realize that internet hype means jack s**t when it comes to what people really want to see.

Like it or not, most don't give a f**k about:

Hot Tube Time Mahchine

Kick Ass

Scott Pilgrim

Snakes on a Plane

They aren't failing to make bank because of bad marketing or a bad release date, they are failing because alot of people rightly or wrongly think that they look stupid. They are movies for a select group of people and the sooner my fellow nerds realize that the better off they will be when those low boxoffice numbers come in. Just relax and enjoy the show, no need to rail against people for the rejecting the lastest nerd's only movie.

The studios should also stop overestimating the audience for these films. Scott Pilgrim is not as mainstream as Batman and Spider-Man just because they came from comicbooks or graphic novels. They aren't the same thing.

Discuss.

Couldn't agree more. :up:
 
Slamming superhero movies with a Tony Stark avatar is about as absurd as me slamming 60 year old slapstick comedy short subject films.

But I don't expect for the mainstream audience to have the same tastes as me, nor do I care if they do.
 
Snakes on a Plane was never a fanboy movie. It was an internet yokel movie.

Nobody on the hype was even talking about that movie when it came out.

Ditto for Hot Tub Time Machine.

and Kick Ass didn't bomb. It did reasonable well for a cheaply produced r-rated flick. It will make it's budget back and then some on dvd.

So the only fanboy bomb was Scott Pilgrim and who cares? Every genre strikes out every now and then.
 
I see one or two on here say that nobody expected Scott Pilgrim to be a big hit; if thats true so why are so many disappointed with it's boxoffice numbers? Why are they diluting themselves into thinking that it will have Inception legs? And why are the people who say that they don't care about boxoffice numbers responding to this thread? Why are you hoping that it has legs if you don't care about boxoffice numbers?

I'll say this now, I care about boxoffice numbers because it lets me know if hollywood is going to make more of the type of films I like or make sequels to the films I want them to make sequels to. Boxoffice numbers are important.
 
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Comic book movies is a genre like horror or romantic comedy.

It's here to stay. :yay:

Yeah, how's that horror genre going these days? Or even the western or musical. Romantic Comedy's have broad appeal, superhero flicks and comic adaptations really have niche audiences, only a few make in mainstream.
 
True. Hated by most.

I think you're letting your own hatred of the movie color your judgement here.

True, the film wasn't received anywhere near as well as the previous Spider-Man films were, but to say everyone hated it, or even most hated it is a gross exaggeration.

63% on RT with a 6.2 grade average.
59% on MetaCritic.
6.4 grade average on IMDB.
7.3 grade average on the SHH poll in the Spider-Man part of the forums (with 80% of the voters giving the movie a 6 or higher).

These aren't exactly shining letters of recommendation, but they're also a far cry from being an indication that the movie was "hated by most".
 
Well don't expect others to put on kid gloves either.
I said I expected your responses so who is crying about them? I actually find them to be fairly humorous.

Snakes on a Plane was never a fanboy movie. It was an internet yokel movie.

Nobody on the hype was even talking about that movie when it came out.

Ditto for Hot Tub Time Machine.

and Kick Ass didn't bomb. It did reasonable well for a cheaply produced r-rated flick. It will make it's budget back and then some on dvd.

So the only fanboy bomb was Scott Pilgrim and who cares? Every genre strikes out every now and then.
I'd like some of whatever you are smoking. Those were internet fanboy movies and Kick Ass was not a hit. It might get a sequel if the director can raise enough money on his own but who is going to distrubute it? LionsGate got bit in the ass.
 
I see one or two on here say that nobody expected Scott Pilgrim to be a big hit; if thats true so why are so many disappointed with it's boxoffice numbers? Why are they diluting themselves into thinking that it will have Inception legs? And why are the people who say that they don't care about boxoffice numbers responding to this thread? Why are you hoping that it has legs if you don't care about boxoffice numbers?

I'll say this now, I care about boxoffice numbers because it lets me know if hollywood is going to make more of the type of films I like or make sequels to the films I want them to make sequels to. Boxoffice numbers are important.
I was hoping Pilgrim would perform like Kick Ass, so I was disappointed when it opened like The Losers.

It's natural for people to want a movie they enjoy to reach people.
 
I went to none of those (Kick-Ass, Scott Pilgrim, Snakes or Hot Tub) in the theater. I have limited time and even more limited budget. I go to big time superhero movies if they are comic adaptions. Besides that I just go to what I like or feel I need to see theatrically. If I go to a movie that is not mainstream chances are it's a horror film, although nothing plays around here that is too offbeat. I see a lot more movies on DVD than I see in theaters. The only one of those movies I wanted to see theatrically is Scott Pilgrim, and that's because I like Edgar Wright's other movies quite a bit. Kick-Ass...meh, not a Millar fan, Hot Tub...rental...Snakes..ya right.
 
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You and everybody else didn't want to see those films. I was tempted to go see The Losers because I liked the cast but the movie just looked too mediocre.
 
I said I expected your responses so who is crying about them? I actually find them to be fairly humorous.

I'd like some of whatever you are smoking. Those were internet fanboy movies and Kick Ass was not a hit. It might get a sequel if the director can raise enough money on his own but who is going to distrubute it? LionsGate got bit in the ass.
lol! My third eye is open without the green.

Hardly anybody on the hype anticipated Snakes on a Plane. That viral campaign was all over the internet but barely anybody on the hype was buying it.

Some people were mildly interested in Hot Tub Time Machine but most fanboys weren't super-excited about it.

Kick Ass cost 30 million and made 95 million. That's not including the dvd money it's raking in. So it's far from a bomb.

and no one thought Scott Pilgrim was going to open huge. Is there a couple of posts you could show me that suggest otherwise?
 
Hollywood doesn't know they need something new until something new comes out. That's how it works, sometimes they pick up on it, sometimes they don't. Case in point, when the matrix came out can anyone count on one hand how many times slow-motion was applied to every show, movie, or video game? No, because popularity is popularity. It rules over quality, fans, etc because the only fans that matter are those that aren't fans. The general audience out numbers all the fanboys (or whatever else you want to call them) and they matter most because more numbers mean more money.

For every one comic-con convention center filled to the brim, there's thousands/millions more outside of it going about their day without a care in the world towards Thor, Avengers, or whatever else. Now when they come out, yes people will see them, yes they will make money, but it's a fad. Now take that word and add an "e" to the end and you have the truth: "Fads Fade!" Everyone here is a fan regardless of orientation, race, citizenship, or even religious/political preference. However, at some point in time reality must sink in. I love that comic films are getting made. I love how I can be reminded of why I love those established characters or how I need to try other books to learn about characters/worlds that aren't established. But if the box-office ain't right you can have a film that's Citizen Kane, Schindler's List, Platoon, Godfather, Forest Gump, Star Wars, and LOTR all rolled into one and it will still fail.

Movies work by one thing and one thing only, and that's the gimmick. If the gimmick doesn't put asses in seats you know how it will go. I love stuff like Other Guys, Scott Pilgrim, Inception, Expendables, etc. but everything is a gimmick. Other Guys was billed as comedy like Talladega Nights & Step Brothers and people liked those films. Inception was James Bond/Matrix in the living world of the Dream Realm, hot damn sign me up. Expendables, every single action great past and present in one movie (save for Norris, Segal, & Van Damme)? Sign me up! Scott Pilgrim, some not energetic alt. chick with blue hair is with Michael Cera, who loves her and is willing to fight her seven exes (one of which is a girl and two more happen to be twins)... I love it! But that doesn't mean everyone else will. As a fanboy I moan at terrible casting choices, awkward costume designs, and specific changes to continuity like everyone else, but sometimes the dice roll how they roll and you have to play the cards you're dealt.

If the film is good take it for what it is, a good film. But if it's bad, we all know what to do. Sometimes it's better to just enjoy what you enjoy regardless of who else enjoys it or not. It's like people that don't listen to a certain song anymore because it's popular. Is it that serious to deprive yourself of something you really like because everyone likes it? Just enjoy it, and if you're the only one that does, then oh well. It could be worse, take it from a Punisher fan. The closet thing to a hit was the 04 version with Thomas Jane and I'll be happy if Marvel's attempt does half of what that film did!

Sorry for the long rant.
 
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