Will Fanboys Ever Learn?

You keep telling yourself that about Kick Ass.

And if nobody thought that Scott Pilgrim would open well why are they all b**ching about it bombing? Why are there articles on nerd websites about why it bombed? That alone proves that the movie didn't reach the nerds expectations boxoffice wise. It's painfully obvious that the "geeks who know better than everyone" didn't expect a 10.5mil opening weekend.
 
I went to none of those (Kick-Ass, Scott Pilgrim, Snakes or Hot Tub) in the theater. I have limited time and even more limited budget. I go to big time superhero movies if they are comic adaptions. Besides that I just go to what I like or feel I need to see theatrically. If I go to a movie that is not mainstream chances are it's a horror film, although nothing plays around here that is too offbeat. I see a lot more movies on DVD than I see in theaters. The only one of those movies I wanted to see theatrically is Scott Pilgrim, and that's because I like Edgar Wright's other movies quite a bit. Kick-Ass...meh, not a Millar fan, Hot Tub...rental...Snakes..ya right.

Jack pot, well said! :up:
 
You keep telling yourself that about Kick Ass.

And if nobody thought that Scott Pilgrim would open well why are they all b**ching about it bombing? Why are there articles on nerd websites about why it bombed? That alone proves that the movie didn't reach the nerds expectations boxoffice wise. It's painfully obvious that the "geeks who know better than everyone" didn't expect a 10.5mil opening weekend.

There's always an over estimation from the fan bases that their particular character or property is the one that's gonna do massive business, why do they put so much stock into them performing well? I think there's a certain 'I told you so' mentality, that's if the mainstream public embraces something they like it makes that property or character valid, that finally 'the mainstream sees what I've been saying about the character/property for years'. It won't stop anytime soon, hell we've already got people expecting Avengers to top a billion dollars, and for GL and Thor to be massive money makers based on nothing more than their love of those properties, things like The Dark Knight really are the exception to the rule where people underestimated the business it will do.
 
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could it be that they want those movies to be big so that they matter? i mean the fanboys.

maybe they think that if KickAss and SP were huge that they could run on the street and make fun of non-fanboys.

''i told you so. comicbooks are the best''.
 
There's always an over estimation from the fan bases that their particular character or property is the one that's gonna do massive business, why do they put so much stock into them performing well? I think there's a certain 'I told you so' mentality, that's if the mainstream public embraces something they like it makes that property or character valid, that finally 'the mainstream sees what I've been saying about the character/property for years'. It won't stop anytime soon, hell we've already got people expecting Avengers to top a billion dollars, and for GL and Thor to be massive money makers based on nothing more than their love of those properties, things like The Dark Knight really are the exception to the rule where people underestimated the business it will do.
A billion dollars is not easy to make and neither is 600mil. I do wish that people would stop thinking that those are easy numbers to attain. The Iron Man franchise has been very lucky. The Avenger's will be doing well if it does 300mil and Thor and Captain America aren't even locked for 175mil as both are hard sells. I'm going to be honest, my opinions are subject to change but I see both underperforming domestically. Thor should do pretty well outside of the U.S though.

could it be that they want those movies to be big so that they matter? i mean the fanboys.

maybe they think that if KickAss and SP were huge that they could run on the street and make fun of non-fanboys.

''i told you so. comicbooks are the best''.
I think that both of your observations are correct. It does seem to be an "I told you so" thing and a we are really in the mainstream mentality. And I'm always like, "no you aren't" and "why do you want to be in the mainstream?" I mean thats whats always running through my head and I just finally decided to voice it.

I'm just really sick of people being called dumb because they don't want to watch some niche film of the moment.
 
Fanboys are those who ***** and moan when the costume in the movie isn't exactly like it is in the comics. They proclaim an actor will be terrible in a role because they don't automatically look the part.

And in the case of this thread, they get vicious and nasty when someone isn't 100000% behind a movie and brings up serious points as to why not everyone is excited about said film. Instead they fall back on, "NU-UH! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!" I've seen this time and time again here and elsewhere.

So...no. Not everyone in this thread is a fanboy.
Ugh, tell me about it. I've purposely avoided reading casting threads and story theory threads for that reason alone. :funny:

And for the record I have no idea what the hype for 500 Days of Summer was all about, I didn't hate the movie but I found it to be only slightly pleasant. It's an overly cutesy movie about a loser with unrealistic expectations and teasing wishy washy b**ch. The lead character learned nothing in that film. Nothing.
-gasp- I agree with you again!

500 Days of Summer was cute, but it didn't stick with me at all because the main character came out of it EXACTLY the same as he went in. Films are compelling to me when the characters grow and learn something new about themselves. JGL's character was still a romantic loser at the end. :funny:

I addressed all of those things but you wouldn't know it if you read some of the reponses. lol Nerds are so predictable and I obviously should know that because I post on Superhero Hype. I wish they'd get a new song and dance routine because the old one is played the hell out.
Correction: PEOPLE are so predictable. On any forum, there are people there who are so distinctly opinionated that you know exactly who's writing the posts without even having to read their username. I can do this on SHH, the figure skating forum I go to, and heck, the box office forums I only lurk on.

You can even do this in real life. :funny:

I think that both of your observations are correct. It does seem to be an "I told you so" thing and a we are really in the mainstream mentality. And I'm always like, "no you aren't" and "why do you want to be in the mainstream?" I mean thats whats always running through my head and I just finally decided to voice it.
Bingo. Fanboys want desperately to believe that the stuff they're so devoted to is becoming accepted by the mainstream. Heck, we're even told this every year when Comic Con rolls around. The big studios are there to woo the fanboys, because now we matter.

But we don't, at least not in the big picture. Fanboy hype can add to the general excitement, but we aren't going to push a film into the mainstream just by our lonesomes. This pertains to Twilight fangirls as much as it does Batman fanboys. :funny:

My method is to expect every one of my fanboyish films to bomb. :funny: Inception was only gonna make $140 million, and TDK a little more than BB with $250 million. :funny: Better to be pleasantly surprised than to be disappointed, I say! :awesome:
 
The fans really don't matter, all the Comic Con BS is just preaching to the converted, us fans make up if we're lucky 20% of the cinema goers, and even that's probably being generous. Most, if not all comic properties have a small ready made audience, but it's not enough to put the bread on the table no matter how good the film is and perhaps that's part of the problem, it's no so much the average films they care about, it's the critically acclaimed ones that are the issue. If a good film doesn't resonate there's not much you can do except cop it on the chin and move on, just remember though not all great movies were box office juggernauts. I was kinda bummed that none of the people I recommended Kick-Ass to went to see it, not because I was a massive fan of the comic, in fact I've never read it, it was just a great fun film. But in the end I had to look at it from their perspective too, it does look like an odd movie and a difficult one to sell, but I'm convinced in time it will become the Fight Club of comic adaptations. Not every film is gonna win over the public, not every comic adaptation is gonna appeal, simple as that really.
 
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A billion dollars is not easy to make and neither is 600mil. I do wish that people would stop thinking that those are easy numbers to attain. The Iron Man franchise has been very lucky. The Avenger's will be doing well if it does 300mil and Thor and Captain America aren't even locked for 175mil as both are hard sells. I'm going to be honest, my opinions are subject to change but I see both underperforming domestically. Thor should do pretty well outside of the U.S though.

I have no hope for Cap Am, whoever it was at Marvel that decided to release the movie the week after what will probably be the biggest film of next year in HP7 pt2 is a freakin' lunatic.
 
Yeah, I'll be shocked if Deathly Hallows - Part II doesn't break the $1 billion cherry.
 
HP has come close several times in breaking it, with 3D added I'm betting both parts of film seven will crack the 1B mark. God help Cap Am, that film is gonna struggle everywhere.
 
I'm a very passive comic book fan. Hell, I've never read a comic in my life, I just like the movies. I've never made a secret of that. I spend more time in the Misc. Films forum than anywhere else. When I do get more into certain franchises, like Batman, I approach it like a sports franchise. I cheer for it, want it to be good, preform well, and win awards. If it doesn't, no big deal.

I didn't get so much of the fanboyism surrounding Kick-Ass and Hot Tub Time Machine. Actually, I had no idea there was anything fanboyish going on with Time Machine. With Scott Pilgrim, from what I've seen, it seems like a neat little niche film, but nothing all that special. Whatever hysteria there was with those franchises didn't seep into other discussions (at least for me). The biggest fanboy exposure I'm getting is from Green Lantern. That mental delirium seems to be permeating every thread on this site. Guys thinking it can challenge Avatar at the box office, or that no white gloves is a cultural holocaust. Really? It's that big a deal? :doh:
 
We need a thread just for fanboy obsession with comic accurate costuming.
 
We need a thread just for fanboy obsession with comic accurate costuming.

There's one of those in each characters forum.
 
If they make a hundred more Scott Pilgrims and one of them is a hit...they will keep making them on the chance another one will be a hit. Most moviess end up making their money back on home video.
Not really in today's market. The home video market has severely declined (hence why it took so long for Miramax to be sold, why MGM isn't worth $2 billion like the creditors wanted, and no one bought Overture Films). You have to make your money now in theaters. Period.
 
Im not surprised this bombed the way it did, it looked dumb and kinda felt like "who cares". I kinda get tired of hearing people say this will be "epic" or "epic fail", who talks like that? I remember coming out of inception and some regular couple was looking at the poster for scott pilgrim and they said "what is an epic of epic epicness?" and started laughing with each other.
 
Kick Ass cost 30 million and made 95 million. That's not including the dvd money it's raking in. So it's far from a bomb.
If Kick-Ass were simply distributed by a studio and receive a mere distributor's fee that wouldn't be a problem.

However, Lions Gate flat out bought the domestic rights to Kick-Ass for $25 million and spent another $20 million to market it. They got none of the international grosses (which accounted for $48 million). And the film made another $48 million domestically.

After having to split the money with movie theaters plus giving some to Marv Films, Lions Gate (the people that matter) made no money, and so far most likely still haven't. They lost money on it. It's a box office bomb.

Lions Gate is lucky that it's doing well on home video. Maybe it will eventually become profitable for them in that format.
 
You keep telling yourself that about Kick Ass.

And if nobody thought that Scott Pilgrim would open well why are they all b**ching about it bombing? Why are there articles on nerd websites about why it bombed? That alone proves that the movie didn't reach the nerds expectations boxoffice wise. It's painfully obvious that the "geeks who know better than everyone" didn't expect a 10.5mil opening weekend.

People are *****ing about Scott Pilgrim bombing miserably because it's a really, really good movie while the general audience continues to go see crap instead.
 
The marketing and the budget , I hate to say it, recklessly allocated to Wright clearly suggests that Universal believed this would be potentially huge.

In a summer where the likes of INCEPTION has reminded us once again that atypical summer blockbusters can actually do well I feel, as I've expressed elsewhere, that PILGRIM should have been either made on a much lower budget and/or had a lead much more marketable than Cera. In a situation it's an either/or option as Warner Bros whilst agreeing to the budget Nolan asked for made it clear they wanted an A-list leading man.
 
People are *****ing about Scott Pilgrim bombing miserably because it's a really, really good movie while the general audience continues to go see crap instead.

The general public made original quality flicks like Inception and Despicable Me monster hits this summer.

The difference between those two and Scott Pilgrim was their superior marketing strategies. Can't blame John and Joe Doe Movie-Goer for saying Pilgrim looked stupid because the trailers/TV spots were horrible.
 
The general public made original quality flicks like Inception and Despicable Me monster hits this summer.

The difference between those two and Scott Pilgrim was their superior marketing strategies. Can't blame John and Joe Doe Movie-Goer for saying Pilgrim looked stupid because the trailers/TV spots were horrible.

Well that and the Pilgrim is very geek oriented whereas a movie like Inception works very well for the general audience.
I have no intention of seeing Scott Pilgrim because the trailers really seemed quite lame ( sorry for those who liked the movie but the footage to me looked lame..) and from the way things were presented it just looked like a movie that was 100% devoted to geeks.
We all know that fanboy flicks will never succeed based on them alone . The only thing fanboys can achieve is maybe help a movie will a solid opening weekend. After that the movie is pretty much at the mercy of the general public. If they choose not to see something said flick will fall hard.
 
The marketing and the budget , I hate to say it, recklessly allocated to Wright clearly suggests that Universal believed this would be potentially huge.

In a summer where the likes of INCEPTION has reminded us once again that atypical summer blockbusters can actually do well I feel, as I've expressed elsewhere, that PILGRIM should have been either made on a much lower budget and/or had a lead much more marketable than Cera. In a situation it's an either/or option as Warner Bros whilst agreeing to the budget Nolan asked for made it clear they wanted an A-list leading man.

Uh they would've gone with whoever Nolan picked.
 
There's always an over estimation from the fan bases that their particular character or property is the one that's gonna do massive business, why do they put so much stock into them performing well? I think there's a certain 'I told you so' mentality, that's if the mainstream public embraces something they like it makes that property or character valid, that finally 'the mainstream sees what I've been saying about the character/property for years'. It won't stop anytime soon, hell we've already got people expecting Avengers to top a billion dollars, and for GL and Thor to be massive money makers based on nothing more than their love of those properties, things like The Dark Knight really are the exception to the rule where people underestimated the business it will do.

A billion dollars is not easy to make and neither is 600mil. I do wish that people would stop thinking that those are easy numbers to attain. The Iron Man franchise has been very lucky. The Avenger's will be doing well if it does 300mil and Thor and Captain America aren't even locked for 175mil as both are hard sells. I'm going to be honest, my opinions are subject to change but I see both underperforming domestically. Thor should do pretty well outside of the U.S though.

I echo the point that TDK, Iron Man, and Spider-Man are really the only comic book movies to overperform (i.e. do more than people thought they would). We are now in a mode where we are starting to expect these movies to do that type of business. I continue to shake my head at the idea that IM2 "underperformed". Our standards are way out of line with reality. Are people not aware of the fact that only 2 or 3 movies a year break the 300 million barrier?

I'm putting my "expectations" for Thor, GL, and Capt America in print now so I can validly say they didn't "disappoint" me later. I'm thinking between 150 and 200 million for all. And we should also expect at least one of them to do less than that. A lot of people need to come back down to earth. If either get over 200 million I'm going to celebrate a big hit while others will no doubt be claiming they "disappointed".
 
If it makes you feel any better, I am sure Piranha 3D will be number one next weekend.
 
I don't care what the mainstream sheep did last weekend.

All I know is that Scott Pilgrim deserves a bigger audience. Most of the people bad mouthing the movie haven't even seen it.
 
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BTW, in answer to the basic question of the thread: No, they will not.
 

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