Will Fanboys Ever Learn?

[Excel]

I think there is an argument to be made that Batman was losing appeal before Batman And Robin ever opened.

And Batman Forever was not that big of a hit. It was a big hit, but to say it brought back Batman back to the levels achieved by the original is nonsense. Batman inflates to 500 million. Batman Returns to 300 million. Batman Forever sits at 330 million inflated. Batman Forever did not exactly bring the franchise back to the literally block-busting levels of success Batman originally made.

Batman was made with being a crowd pleaser in mind, and had the greatest single advertising campaign of all time. It did what it intended to do: please crowd while taking the character seriously.

Batman Returns went off the deep end with the "seriousness" part and came off just too wierd. Burton ignored the "crowd pleaser" aspect that fueled the first one, and went all arsty instead, and audiences hated it.

Batman Forever, as a result, amped up the crowd pleaser aspect (Batman is more "heoric" in this one than the previous 2) while toning down the seriousness due to the BR backlash. The result was a far more maketable and "entertaining" movie, and WB thought they had it figured out. Turns out, word of mouth on Batman Forever was not so hot. May have the biggest movie of the summer, but it's box office legs were beyond horrible for it's time, so much as that 13 years later in the middle of the frontloaded era, TD would have a higher multiplier. There were verey little repeat viewing of Batman Forever.

Of course, treating the character as a joke a bad idea; an idea WB decided to increase with B&R. Even with it's powerhouse and red hot (Clooney, Silverstone were hot **** when it opened), it only hit 40 million opening weekend, lower than the originals 8 years earlier. And this disappointing opening weekend was before the word of mouth had truly hit. People had simply begun losing interest 4 movies in.

Nolan waiting 4 years could be a great thing for the franchise, because it will allow it to avoid overkill.

 

[Catman]

Batman Forever was not that big of a hit.

It was the summer's biggest movie and #2 for the year.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

A fanboy doesn't have to learn, a fanboys knows

 

[GL1]

Fanboys won't learn, and hopefully, neither will movie studios, so they can keep making AWESOME movies like Scott Pilgrim.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

to be honest i dont get people, Watchmen was like watching the comic unfold on screen and people gave it **** for sticking to close to the graphic novel and not doing its own thing.

Some comics should stick as close to the source as can be and some should deviate to work better cinematically. Sin-City is the former, Watchmen is the latter.

 

[Figs]

Some comics should stick as close to the source as can be and some should deviate to work better cinematically. Sin-City is the former, Watchmen is the latter.

That's why it was always a lose-lose situation for Watchmen and why I didn't give two ****s what the fanboy's opinions were on the film.

Snyder made it pretty damn accurate minus the squid and omitting smaller scenes like Rorschach getting his mask. People *****ed about that bigtime as well as when he tells off that landlady, when those weren't extremely important parts of the story. Off of that you had the fanboys who *****ed because he omitted certain things which were mainly for runtime, which WB was really lenient with in the first place, the damn Ultimate cut is what, four hours??

Then you have the fans who *****ed because it was too faithful and he didn't put his own stamp on it as a director, I have a big feeling some of these complainers also complained before the film was done that it had better be faithful to the book without many changes. That is how fanboys tend to think and which is why that saying "fanboys never know what they want" rings true.

 

[C. Lee]

There are fanboys in the Captain America forum arguing me about whether Cap is the antithesis of Nazis....it seems the Nazis hated Communism and loved cats and dogs....and seeing as how Cap hated Communism and loved cats and dogs too they are pretty much the same......plus they are saying that Cap has the same morals as Nazis because he has blonde hair and blue eyes..........

 

[Punisher_MAX]

That's why it was always a lose-lose situation for Watchmen and why I didn't give two ****s what the fanboy's opinions were on the film.

Snyder made it pretty damn accurate minus the squid and omitting smaller scenes like Rorschach getting his mask. People *****ed about that bigtime as well as when he tells off that landlady, when those weren't extremely important parts of the story. Off of that you had the fanboys who *****ed because he omitted certain things which were mainly for runtime, which WB was really lenient with in the first place, the damn Ultimate cut is what, four hours??

Then you have the fans who *****ed because it was too faithful and he didn't put his own stamp on it as a director, I have a big feeling some of these complainers also complained before the film was done that it had better be faithful to the big without many changes. That is how fanboys tend to think and which is why that saying "fanboys never know what they want" rings true.

this is pretty much how i feel. i have yet to see the Ultimate Cut but i saw the Director's Cut and it added in a lot of little things to a lot of scenes and made it a whole lot better.

 

[Kurosawa]

There are fanboys in the Captain America forum arguing me about whether Cap is the antithesis of Nazis....it seems the Nazis hated Communism and loved cats and dogs....and seeing as how Cap hated Communism and loved cats and dogs too they are pretty much the same......plus they are saying that Cap has the same morals as Nazis because he has blonde hair and blue eyes..........

Oh, good grief. And I thought I say some crazy stuff.

 

[Doctor Jones]

That's why it was always a lose-lose situation for Watchmen and why I didn't give two ****s what the fanboy's opinions were on the film.

Snyder made it pretty damn accurate minus the squid and omitting smaller scenes like Rorschach getting his mask. People *****ed about that bigtime as well as when he tells off that landlady, when those weren't extremely important parts of the story. Off of that you had the fanboys who *****ed because he omitted certain things which were mainly for runtime, which WB was really lenient with in the first place, the damn Ultimate cut is what, four hours??

Then you have the fans who *****ed because it was too faithful and he didn't put his own stamp on it as a director, I have a big feeling some of these complainers also complained before the film was done that it had better be faithful to the big without many changes. That is how fanboys tend to think and which is why that saying "fanboys never know what they want" rings true.

Thank you. You could argue with time, people would understand it more if the changed things. But really, it's been seven years since Ang Lee's Hulk and there's still not alot of people who like it. People would have *****ed and said, "But they should have kept all this in!" or "Oh, man if only we saw that if they actually filmed it!" or "What would that have been like?" People are still complaining of the smaller scenes that didn't have that much purpose for the film itself. People would not have been pleased either way. People ***** about the squid still, just think if they changed more of it. People would not forget and Snyder would be forever known as the guy who ripped the soul our of Watchmen by not getting it; by leaving all the stuff out that related to the GN. And we would be getting into the opposite complaints and arguments here.

 

[baerrtt]

There are fanboys in the Captain America forum arguing me about whether Cap is the antithesis of Nazis....it seems the Nazis hated Communism and loved cats and dogs....and seeing as how Cap hated Communism and loved cats and dogs too they are pretty much the same......plus they are saying that Cap has the same morals as Nazis because he has blonde hair and blue eyes..........

Sometimes it amazes me when certain fans can't even grasp the obvious point(s) of the character they enjoy.

 

[Figs]

There are fanboys in the Captain America forum arguing me about whether Cap is the antithesis of Nazis....it seems the Nazis hated Communism and loved cats and dogs....and seeing as how Cap hated Communism and loved cats and dogs too they are pretty much the same......plus they are saying that Cap has the same morals as Nazis because he has blonde hair and blue eyes..........

Please tell me you're joking.

I'm not even a hardcore Cap fan. He's one of the Marvel characters where I only know the basics, with that being said even I know that part of the reason he was picked(not sure if it was a big one or really small one, like I said I only know the basics about the character) was because of that as a slap in the face to the Nazis with their Aryan race ie: Blonde hair, blue eyes.

Sometimes it amazes me when certain fans can't even grasp the obvious point(s) of the character they enjoy.

I think it's because some so called "fans" are excited for a new film but they get all fake and read a wiki and go into threads acting like they've been into this character for years.

I'm excited for Thor, Captain America and Green Lantern but never got into them really so I don't know much other than the basics, as I said in my response to C. Lee. You won't find me in those threads acting like a know it all just to look cool or fit in on whatever character or topic is the big thing at the moment.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'll openly admit this is early. But I'd go ahead and say X-Men: First Class and the Spider-Man reboot are going to get ******-crazy nerd/geek/fanboy hype. In both cases, you're most likely looking at under-performers - regardless of quality.

I'm going to go ahead and add the Wolverine sequel to the list too.

 

[Doctor Jones]

If Michael Bluth says it will, then it will.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

That's all I've ever asked from people!

 

[S.A.A.D.]

There are fanboys in the Captain America forum arguing me about whether Cap is the antithesis of Nazis....it seems the Nazis hated Communism and loved cats and dogs....and seeing as how Cap hated Communism and loved cats and dogs too they are pretty much the same......plus they are saying that Cap has the same morals as Nazis because he has blonde hair and blue eyes..........

Is this still going on there?

 

[Spideyfan93]

Yeah, been looking around the Cap forums too. I refuse to post there because of the ridiculousness in their conversations. lol

 

[C. Lee]

Here's some of the stuff that has made me shake my head at what some of today's youth think.

Captain America should be the antithesis of Nazi morals, not possess qualities they consider admirable.

He IS the antithisis of Nazi morals.

I wouldn't go that far.

Then why would he have blond hair and blue eyes which implies the Nazis are correct in their bias?

You guys do know that hair and eye color have nothing whatsoever to do with MORALS, don't you?

Morals are how you conduct yourself, how you interact with the people around you.

I said nothing about his physical features... I was simply disagreeing with your contention that he was the antithesis of NSDAP morals.

And antithesis means the oposite of...so I say that Captain America was the opposite of the Nazi Party.

It's naïve to say that everything the Nazi Party stood for was evil just because alot of it actually was. I'm sure Cap would've approved, too, of the animal welfare laws brought in by the NSDAP. It doesn't help to caricature people's ideology.

So.....Cap is moraly a blonde...and Nazis are nice because they love puppies and kittens.

 

[Anita18]

Here's some of the stuff that has made me shake my head at what some of today's youth think.

So.....Cap is moraly a blonde...and Nazis are nice because they love puppies and kittens.

To be fair, 20% of Americans (presumably adults) think that Obama is Muslim, so....

And that's was only two guys. The sane ones don't bother speaking up.

 

[JAK®]

Here's some of the stuff that has made me shake my head at what some of today's youth think.

Shivsguy616 isn't 'some of today's youth'

 

[Tron Bonne]

Some comics should stick as close to the source as can be and some should deviate to work better cinematically. Sin-City is the former, Watchmen is the latter.

Yeah, pretty much how I feel about it.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Hi,

It is not on topic but about Cap America, he is ( from my French eyes ), an American symbol, the symbol of freedom.

 

[dark_b]

now that even more movies are making more money then SP, fanboys are in ''desperate ''mode'.

which means that on the internet and articles they bash complain about every movie that is above SP on the BO list.

they of course always add at the end that BO is not important. yet they complain how SP didnt make more money. and how the general public is stupid that they didnt wartch SP and because they watched other movies.

its funny

 

[matrix_ghost]

Or better yet accuse the general audience of being idiots despite the fact that the very same general audience has supported movies like Inception , Toy Story 3 , Disctrict 9 etc.
For every bad movie the GA likes , there is also one good one that they like.

 

[dark_b]

good point about TS3 and Inception.