I would hesitate to call anything Ang did "perfect"...so that itself may prove the jumping could have been done better.
That's more of a statement than I would make. As you probably know, there's a great spectrum of feelings about the movie across which Hulk fans seem to vary considerably. The feelings range from totally loving it and wishing TIH were a sequel to it... to totally hating it and exaggerating its "failure." My only problem insofar as this thread is concerned was with the way the jumping was presented. But if you can back your statement, go for it. Otherwise, I salute Ang for giving it his best shot and perfecting
his idea for the Hulk, being even somewhat limited at that (i.e., was unable to get all of his dog fight approved, choreographed Hulk's motions himself, etc.).
That TV show is the bane of my existence. I don't even think it should have been called the Hulk. Hulk-light at most. Much better if it had failed and we wouldn't have audiences wondering where "David Banner" is and why the Hulk is able to lift something bigger than a VW Beetle. ("Where's the body builder with green body paint?") This is similar to the problem Superman would have if that 50s TV show had made him a jogger. I guess then fans in the first Chris Reeves movie would have wondered why he was flying.
But it
didn't fail and I don't understand why anyone would want to turn back time and reverse quite possibly the only thing that truly put Hulk on the map - above and beyond what the comics and the cartoon collectively did for it. I mean, you wish it had
failed?? In that one breath, you basically wipe out the only reputation that Hulk has ever known for most people. What do you think about this new movie they're making? You must be hating the fact they're using the show as somewhat of a basis for the mood.
And you weren't impressed with him lifting the VW Beetle?? Wow. You must've been a little bit older than me. Between that and the eyes, there was NO shortage of food for the imagination in that, as far as my tiny frame was concerned. And this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it was the 1970s and 1980s(!). The idea of turning a scientist into a monster via a bodybuilder covered with green body paint was innovative(!). I really don't get how so many people take liberty in ripping the show for that, today, some 25-30 years later. You have to look at it through the lens of that era and what had been done up to that point to entertain people IMO.
I dont think Ang ever said he wasnt the right guy for Hulk ..where'd you hear that? I think he said that he didnt know how to make a comicbook movie but he knew and wanted to make a greek tragedy.
That's what I meant, more or less. In confessing up front that he doesn't know how to make a comic book movie, he's essentially saying he's not the right person for the job, but that he'll give it his best shot anyway. I picture a guy caught with his hands up, but willing to go forward because of the confidence vested in him by the decision makers.
IMO, Hulk isnt a very comicbook-ish character anyway, atleast i dont see him that way, Yeah he's green and has alot of power and all that but that guy is a walking tragedy IMO and Ang was one of the perfect guys to bring that out in a way we havent seen before...
Yeah, I kinda know where you stand, Sava. We've had our share of back-and-forth exchange, haven't we?
The Hulk: The End comic is, for you, the ultimate I think. But not all of us Hulk fans share the same footing, I think.
Sort of a random question, but is Hulk even considered a superhero? It's been the subject of debate in other circles, but I don't know if it's ever been talked about here.
I've always been a fan of Ang's and like the way he shows you a character without actually making you feel like "alright, this is the character development part, we'll get to the action in a min". I dont know if the makes sense or not, basically, he shows you the character in a different and IMO, better way than most directors.
It does make sense, but I'm just sort of like "huh, interesting." Guess I haven't seen enough of Ang's work to give you an educated opinion one way or the other.
Now, as to Ang's Hulk, he got a couple of things wrong, the height and the changing Hulk's, the first one, i agree with guys like CJ when it really wasnt necessary and just took you out of the moment when you saw him next to people. The changing Hulk's, i love that, that makes him more real IMO, the Hulk grows, he isnt born a middle ages guy, he's actually born, he was a baby in the first Hulk out and by the end of the movie he was a full grown man, and he'll only kepp gettting stronger cause Hulk doesnt get old. Ang's should have made that part more clearer IMO and people would have gotten it and liked it. He didnt, you had to watch that making of part from the dvds and listen to Ang's commentary to get all of that.
Again... huh, interesting. I kinda liked him growing, but I also agree with most other people that he probably should've been one size, the 8-9 feet he was after the first Hulkout. But in response to those people, mainly the most vehement of those who reason the Hulk never grew in the comics and therefore shouldn't have grown in the movie... I say it wouldn't have mattered. The flavor of the movie was such that a growing Hulk suited it fine. As you pointed out, the movie chronicles his birth - literally, his life stages - and so we already had that theme (him growing) going on.
In this next movie, I really think we're going to see how a one-size-fits-all Hulk should be done. No documentation of his birth, going through medical school, growing/mutating, etc. Just one badass of a Hulk. The fugitive aspect will take center stage until he eventually finds "heroism in the creature he holds inside," as indicated by the synopsis. And hopefully, for your sake, not too many cure overtones.
One of my fav non action scenes in teh movie is when Betty walks down some steps in san fran and Hulk looks at her and nearly starts crying, that scene is amazing IMO, Ang shot that scene perfectly IMO, I dont think Hulk was looking at Betty, i think he was looking at his mother, thats why you get the puupy dog eyes and he nearly starts crying when he sees her again.
Yeah, that was a great scene... it was the culmination of everything that had just taken place, and more than anything, it showed that Betty was the
one person/thing that could tame the beast.
I loved the opening credits too but i didnt find the socre after that to be overbearing, i loved the whole of the transport sequence.
Cool.
Wow...you really need to calm down. I didn't insult you but you resorted to calling me names to defend yourself.
I really don't get what you're trying to say. Calling me fanboy extradordinaire because I implied logic into an argumetn instead of name calling? And honestly, why do you even try to use fanboy as an insult? We're all fanboys, we're posting on a superhero message board for pete sakes, people would call you a fanboy/nerd/ for even knowing that there is a superhero hype.
I think you just need to take it easy, I was just posting an argument for the sake of debate, it wasn't a personal attack.
Sorry for the insults. And I suppose I'm a fanboy more than I realize. Just didn't like being drug back into the debate at the time. And it was annoying that you were using Superman to make a point about flying. Like, mix it up a little. Bring some real science into the discussion or something. Don't use circular reasoning. Anyway, sorry.
jokin man
, i really hate it when people say things like that, so mute people are what exactly?
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, if you are talking about the helicopter pilots or th tank guys, then they needed to talk, hulk just needed to kick their ass.
