The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Will Michael Massee return?

[PeterBenParker]

I'm positive that Chris Cooper will be Norman....... but not in the way we think.

Yes. In ASM2, when we see dying Norman for the, likely, vast majority of the film, it will be Cooper.

But there's no doubt in my mind that it will revealed that

A) Norman, as we see him, isn't really sick and that

B) the "sick" man we see in bed dying is actually The Chameleon, doubling for Norman who has, for some time, been posing under a new identity as

C) The Man in the Shadows.

If I could throw in my own spin, remember when it was listed a while ago that Massee was actually playing David Lowell?

Taking in what you brought up, what if his new identity (in public) is in fact "David Lowell" when he's really behind the scenes as Norman?

That'd be interesting, at least I think.

Anyway, my two predictions:

Chris Cooper, throughout TASM 2 and 3 is Norman Osborn to the public and the G.A, although it is later revealed he's a fraud and is actually Dmitri Smerdyakov, with Michael Massee portraying the real Norman Osborn under a fake name, and a fake status of being an employee at his own company (while also being The Man in the Shadows).

OR

Michael Massee is actually The Gentleman, with Chris Cooper being the real Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.

 

[Neno_Kos]

From all those prediction i am sure Webb will give us a masterpiece. I love this, even if i hate it one way, just waiting for a movie too see it as Webb keeps everything in mistery. From Peter's parents, Man in Shadows, Goblin, Norman, the whole Oscorp thing including in some way Ravencroft + now The Gentelmen as they planning Sinister Six. It's like i am watching TSSM, as I "know" who the Goblin is, but again I am not sure how and when did they or will they use a trick in who is who.

 

[Closerframe]

If Massee is The Chameleon it would explain the disappearing act. However, it wouldn't explain why he just didn't replicate a guard or something.

 

[Ant-manic]

If Massee is The Chameleon it would explain the disappearing act. However, it wouldn't explain why he just didn't replicate a guard or something.

because blending into the background is more chameleon-like and, therefore, a better clue as to his identity?

 

[Ant-manic]

IDK if they will actually go in that direction. I think Norman is legitimately dying and needs a cure,

maybe he's already taken the cure. maybe it did something nasty to him that has required him to go into hiding; hence the need for the double. Connor's research might have been necessary to counteract unwanted side effects.

 

[amazingly atiba]

i think connors will recieve a name drop in the movie atleast once

 

[blake c]

What if he still turns out to be Mysterio, and he was the one responsible for making Peter's parents deaths look like a harmless plane crash, but it was really caused by Oscorp and was just a huge cover up.

 

[The Villain]

What if he still turns out to be Mysterio, and he was the one responsible or making Peter's parents deaths look like a harmless plane crash caused by Oscorp and just an accident.

I hope your right with suggestion. Avi Arad has apparently told another superhero hype forum user "Mysterio as great he is he's not an easy one to do"

I'm sorry but I hope that Webb & whoever the writers are plus Sony get the pick of characters not Avi.

You'd think he would learn a lesson from his Spidey 3 mistake.

If Webb is about for next one I'm pretty sure as Mysterio is in his top 3 list maybe there is a chance. Like Electro I think he will lean towards Ultimate Mysterio.

Top 3 Webb villains when asked were Electro, Goblin & Mysterio.

 

[The Villain]

because blending into the background is more chameleon-like and, therefore, a better clue as to his identity?

Chameleon would be brilliant for Webb's Spidey world but Mysterio has more the ability to vanish & reappear I mean if there was some secret door we never saw I'd say it was more on Chameleon.

Just keep thinking about the illusion of the supposed man in cell. The Gentleman idea seems okay but still my money is on the Francis Klum version of Mysterio.

He was the teleporter version. And since Electro will be able to travel through power sockets in ASM2 I don't think by having a future teleporting enemy to deal with is as difficult to pull off than Electro's gimmick.

What you think? t:

 

[blake c]

I really think he is Mysterio, after all Mysterio is known for his illusions. There probably never even was a plan crash, it was just all a hoax put on by Mysterio because he was paid to cover the up the deaths of Peter's parents.

 

[The Villain]

I really think he is Mysterio, after all Mysterio is known for his illusions. There probably never even was a plan crash, it was just all a hoax put on by Mysterio because he was paid to cover the up the deaths of Peter's parents.

Again a fairly solid idea from you. Webb has his plans well thought out so wait & see. All we can do at this moment.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Maybe Massee is Mysterio, that would explain his appearing and disapearing act at end of credit scene. Or he could be just astral projection probably Norman as Mysterio used tiny cube to make hologram appearing in front of Connors in one moment and he is gone in next one. This movie is one big mystery, every day i have new idea who is who...

 

[Picard Sisko]

If I could throw in my own spin, remember when it was listed a while ago that Massee was actually playing David Lowell?

Taking in what you brought up, what if his new identity (in public) is in fact "David Lowell" when he's really behind the scenes as Norman?

That'd be interesting, at least I think.

Anyway, my two predictions:

Chris Cooper, throughout TASM 2 and 3 is Norman Osborn to the public and the G.A, although it is later revealed he's a fraud and is actually Dmitri Smerdyakov, with Michael Massee portraying the real Norman Osborn under a fake name, and a fake status of being an employee at his own company (while also being The Man in the Shadows).

OR

Michael Massee is actually The Gentleman, with Chris Cooper being the real Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.

I think this is more likely.

i think connors will recieve a name drop in the movie atleast once

Definitely. One issue I had with the Raimi films (which is very minor, but its still there) is that nobody even tried to reference Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man 3. This was the least of the movie's problems, but Octavious was a mentor to Peter, and the events of Spider-Man 2 took place shortly before SM3.

Same with the Joker not being mentioned in TDKR.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Anyway, my two predictions:

Chris Cooper, throughout TASM 2 and 3 is Norman Osborn to the public and the G.A, although it is later revealed he's a fraud and is actually Dmitri Smerdyakov, with Michael Massee portraying the real Norman Osborn under a fake name, and a fake status of being an employee at his own company (while also being The Man in the Shadows).

I know this is a popular theory, but it's still pretty far fetched and just couldn't work

why would Dmitri (I'm assuming you mean Chameleon) wear a mask that looks nothing like the real Norman? And if nobody knows what real Norman looks like, why would he need Chameleon? he could basically have anyone portraying Norman to the public

and even then it would make very little sense, who wouldn't know what the lead man of a corporation like Oscorp looked like?

 

[SpideyFan866]

I know this is a popular theory, but it's still pretty far fetched and just couldn't work

why would Dmitri (I'm assuming you mean Chameleon) wear a mask that looks nothing like the real Norman? And if nobody knows what real Norman looks like, why would he need Chameleon? he could basically have anyone portraying Norman to the public

and even then it would make very little sense, who wouldn't know what the lead man of a corporation like Oscorp looked like?

Because Norman has changed his face.

Dimitri is posing as Norman, while Norman is posing as someone else.

Its not as complicated as it sounds.

Chris Cooper is the real face of Norman Osborn.; Norman Osborn as he REALLY looks.

However, at some point in time, He hired Dimitri to take on his appearance and be him, while he posed as someone else (with a new face to match) and planned ...... whatever it is he's planning (My money is on him becoming The Big Man, like in TSSM).

 

[SpideyFan866]

This theory is based on the fact that Webb is drawn VERY HEAVILY from TSSM. Things such as Gwen being highly intelligent and a intern of Curt Connors, Oscorp being "the source" of all the villainy, as well as Electro's powers come in part from geneticall altered eels, attest to that.

And in TSSM, Norman Osborn used Dimitri/Chameleon on various occasions to pose as him, while he was off as the Green Goblin (This played a part in Norman framing Harry as the Goblin).

Also, in the comics, Norman himself was "The Man in the Shadows", who appeared in ASM1 played by Michael Massee. "The Man in the Shadows" persona was used during the period in the comics where the identity of the Green Goblin was unknown. And for the early parts of this period, Norman had yet to even be introduced, similar to ASM1 and 2.

 

[Spideyfan117]

But why would Norman need Chameleon to pose as him if he's not even the Green Goblin yet? It's not like the Man in the Shadows is someone that is going to make a public spectacle. So if Norman is the Man in the Shadows and wanted to keep his identity hidden he would just need to stay in the shadows. I think what we see is what we get. They might try to make us think Harry is Goblin, but I don't see any other crazy twists coming out of the movie.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Because Norman has changed his face.

Dimitri is posing as Norman, while Norman is posing as someone else.

Its not as complicated as it sounds.

Chris Cooper is the real face of Norman Osborn.; Norman Osborn as he REALLY looks.

However, at some point in time, He hired Dimitri to take on his appearance and be him, while he posed as someone else (with a new face to match) and planned ...... whatever it is he's planning (My money is on him becoming The Big Man, like in TSSM).

Thank you for clarifying it and understanding what I meant, and vice versa. As you said, it's not as complicated as some are making it out to be.

 

[PeterBenParker]

But why would Norman need Chameleon to pose as him if he's not even the Green Goblin yet? It's not like the Man in the Shadows is someone that is going to make a public spectacle. So if Norman is the Man in the Shadows and wanted to keep his identity hidden he would just need to stay in the shadows. I think what we see is what we get. They might try to make us think Harry is Goblin, but I don't see any other crazy twists coming out of the movie.

Perhaps he did not want the word getting out that the chairman/founder of his own company is dying, so in order to save face, he went to extreme measures.

 

[PeterBenParker]

This theory is based on the fact that Webb is drawn VERY HEAVILY from TSSM. Things such as Gwen being highly intelligent and a intern of Curt Connors, Oscorp being "the source" of all the villainy, as well as Electro's powers come in part from geneticall altered eels, attest to that.

And in TSSM, Norman Osborn used Dimitri/Chameleon on various occasions to pose as him, while he was off as the Green Goblin (This played a part in Norman framing Harry as the Goblin).

Also, in the comics, Norman himself was "The Man in the Shadows", who appeared in ASM1 played by Michael Massee. "The Man in the Shadows" persona was used during the period in the comics where the identity of the Green Goblin was unknown. And for the early parts of this period, Norman had yet to even be introduced, similar to ASM1 and 2.

Bingo! Well said, my good sir.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Another thing is that, with Norman having his new identity, he could still look for a cure (if he really is sick) while the public Norman (Dmitri) does whatever Norman usually did before getting sick.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I think Cooper is playing a fake Norman. Harry was sent away as a young child and might not have seen his father since. There's no guarantee his memory of his father is legit, especially if Norman was hypnotizing him like in the Ultimate comics. I think Masse is the real Norman, as evidenced by his clothing which is just like "the man in the shadows" from the comics.

 

[JOE]

I want Mysterio! Mr. Dent, are you allowed to PM that YouTube footage?

 

[Mr. Dent]

If you don't have it yet, yes I can PM it to you. Just drop a message in my inbox if you still need it.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Chameleon would be brilliant for Webb's Spidey world but Mysterio has more the ability to vanish & reappear I mean if there was some secret door we never saw I'd say it was more on Chameleon.

Just keep thinking about the illusion of the supposed man in cell. The Gentleman idea seems okay but still my money is on the Francis Klum version of Mysterio.

He was the teleporter version. And since Electro will be able to travel through power sockets in ASM2 I don't think by having a future teleporting enemy to deal with is as difficult to pull off than Electro's gimmick.

What you think? t:

It wasn't vanishing, so much as blending in to his environment.

And Chameleons certainly have a knack for that.