Will Raimi be the new Burton?

[The Kid]

He just couldn't resist it, couldn't he. Well it's settled. I'm seriously waiting for a Nolan to come along and give us SPIDERMAN BEGINS.

Yeah, I'm serious. I can't stands it so I'm done with raimi's spidey and his macy gray and cartoony cgi with more cheese than the moon.

So what do you guys think, huh? It's going to be that way, most of you read the summary. This may be entertaining, I have no doubt about that. I was entertained to some degree by the last two, and Heck for all it got completely wrong I still found batman forever entertaining; but that's not all I'm looking for in a spiderman film. I'm looking for Spider-man. This ain't it.

I guess I'll make this a poll too.

Flame me, do what you will, but my question still remains. I'm really very interested in what others think of this development... I'm interested in whether it matters to anyone but me.

 

[War Party]

I love it. If I had my way, I would of threw away the comics in first film and came up with my own story arcs. I guess that's what Burton would do.

 

[Won '08]

Yeah I guess you didnt realize "Batman Begins" is pretty much "Ultimate Batman" in spirit.....

 

[dark_b]

i love the spiderman movies for wha tthey are. they have a lot of funny moement they are cheezy plus the have some love story. and there is a lot of action. this are great movies to watch. i expect the same in number 3 plus it will be a darker movie plus spidey will be in my favorite colour. black .

did i mentione venom? yeah babay.

sandman ? no. i dont like him but thats why we have harry and venom .

and yes a lot of peopel wont like this movie because of sandman. first movie had a man who was strong. the second one had a guy with 4 mechanical arm. a sand-man? a guy out of sand? for general public this will be to much fantasy and to much cartoony. thats why we have harry and venom.

 

[Arcturus]

The final betrayal!

 

[Apollo]

wait... what??

 

[Cinemaman]

Yeah Raimi has some views like Burton or Donner, but still his SPidey movies look awesome

 

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, I'm serious. I can't stands it so I'm done with raimi's spidey and his macy gray and cartoony cgi with more cheese than the moon..

Ha ha. You're still bitter about her 5 seconds in the film at some festival thing?

 

[The Kid]

Yeah I guess you didnt realize "Batman Begins" is pretty much "Ultimate Batman" in spirit.....

What are you talking about?

 

[The Kid]

Ha ha. You're still bitter about her 5 seconds in the film at some festival thing?

Yeah it stank. And it doesn't magically not stink anymore.

I didn't like prince in Batman either.

 

[The Kid]

I love it. If I had my way, I would of threw away the comics in first film and came up with my own story arcs. I guess that's what Burton would do.

I don't know what to say to that.

 

[War Party]

I don't know what to say to that.

What's there to say? I really don't care much for the comics.

 

[jrd550]

what a dumb thread - Burton and Raimi couldn't be further apart as directors.

 

[The Kid]

Yeah Raimi has some views like Burton or Donner, but still his SPidey movies look awesome

Hey cinemaman, what's up.

Pretty fx do not make the movie awesome to me. I think they're stupid and this one looks even dumber. I know this place is Raimi-love zone since the entire site used to be Spider-man hype but I'm not going to lie to myself or any of you strangers. And i can't see things any other way no matter how cool a cgi shot is. There's more to movies than some awesome matrix slow mo stuff.

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

But there is also drama and love story besides action

 

[The Kid]

what a dumb thread - Burton and Raimi couldn't be further apart as directors.

hmm...

In terms of style, i agree though both seem to have this desire to connect the main villain to hero's origin.

 

[jimmylace]

But that's what spider-man is- fun family entertainment.

Have you ever wondered why "Batman" and "The Crow" made it to the silver-screen first?

Back in the day, there was the obvious limitations in terms of fx, but also comic books weren't the mainstream. They were seen as silly. Movies based on comic-books were only ever loosely based because they HAD to be.

Now with CGI, movies have become their own reality.

"Batman 89" and "The Crow" felt just like movies. Not necessarily the fantastical "Comic-book movies" that wer'e used to today. The challenge for those movie-makers in the 90's were turning these comic-books, adjusting them so that they could translate to a much more grounded audience, giving the characters realistic dialogue and motivations, toning down the more fantastical aspects as much as they could.

And they worked. Very few comic-book movies have worked since because there's no more limitations.

I'm thankful cameron never made his spider-man in the 90's, because his vision was more in line with "the crow" etc, turning parker into a raging vengeful killer......

of course, back in the day, the movie climate was such that in order for a comic book movie to work, that's what they felt had to be done. brooding movies were all the rage. (look at the flash or phantom movies...hell even darkman was inspired by this trend).

Thing is Spider-Man was never like that. It annoys me when people talk about wanting to see Camerons movie instead of raimis, because his would have been waaaayyy different. And that's why it's taken so long for the character to come to the screen.

What works with raimi's movies is that they don't try to be realistic...theyre colourful, cheesy but damn it's like youre watching a comic-book brought to life and that's why they work-in their own world .

So raimi has made a few alterations....but without those we'd end up with fantastic four which is just too-far fetched. the key is finding the balance.

Spider-man should have mass appeal, and the world seems to like the spidey movies they see.
Sure, they might not be timeless,like superman, but in a sea of dross they stand out as the best.

Could there be a better spider-man movie? sure...now that raimi's laid down the rules and done the groundwork, I'm sure someone could put a spin on it and make it more favourable (like nolan with begins) but credits due where credits due.

The fact raimi even got this movie to translate was through some very smart decisions, and I don't think we'll get a better vision of a spidey movie within the next decade..

So, I see where you're coming from, but I don't think the movie you want to see will ever be made, simply because youre in the minority. Spose it's like being a fan of the James Bond books and complaining that the movies are too broad.....but theyre too different things and like it or lump it always will be.

Spidey comics are Spidey comics-and work well within that fact, Spidey movies are Spidey movies. They capture the spirit of the books but do what they need to do to work well also.

 

[Kid_Kaos]

What's suddenly wrong with Raimi? He's basicaly like Nolan, he takes certain scenes and the main characters from the comics and the antimated series and puts them in a "real world" live action movie.
I don't see anything wrong with that. I understand the "problem" some peeps have with the organic webbing, but du you really want to see Peter pausing a battle to go home for some more webfluids??? I sure as hell do not want to see that. (Watch the old Spidey tv series to get what I mean.)

If you want to b*tc* about someone like Burton, take "Superman Returns" and the terrible view Singer put on that. THAT IS what makes comic adaptions cheesy for normal people.

So far, the new Spider-Man 3 Trailer owns SR already. If I have to go to a Spider-Man movie to get what I expect from Superman, then I don't feel bad for Spider-Man in any way possible!

And: In my opinion, Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan are the only directors to date who understood the source material and made movies that please the fans and normal audience as well.

 

[The Infernal]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't agree with it in the slightest. I love the films and think Raimi's did a great job with the first two, better than any Batman film there is. I'm looking forward to this one.

 

[The Kid]

^^^

But there is also drama and love story besides action

I was thinking nudity, but you may be right. Except for the love story stuff. Too many hollywood people think Love story = Soap Opera bull crap with a bunch of angsty characters, when that's not always the case. Oh and character. Good characters are key. You don't have that, you've got nothing.

 

[The Kid]

But that's what spider-man is- fun family entertainment.

Have you ever wondered why "Batman" and "The Crow" made it to the silver-screen first?

Back in the day, there was the obvious limitations in terms of fx, but also comic books weren't the mainstream. They were seen as silly. Movies based on comic-books were only ever loosely based because they HAD to be.

Now with CGI, movies have become their own reality.

"Batman 89" and "The Crow" felt just like movies. Not necessarily the fantastical "Comic-book movies" that wer'e used to today. The challenge for those movie-makers in the 90's were turning these comic-books, adjusting them so that they could translate to a much more grounded audience, giving the characters realistic dialogue and motivations, toning down the more fantastical aspects as much as they could.

And they worked. Very few comic-book movies have worked since because there's no more limitations.

I'm thankful cameron never made his spider-man in the 90's, because his vision was more in line with "the crow" etc, turning parker into a raging vengeful killer......

of course, back in the day, the movie climate was such that in order for a comic book movie to work, that's what they felt had to be done. brooding movies were all the rage. (look at the flash or phantom movies...hell even darkman was inspired by this trend).

Thing is Spider-Man was never like that. It annoys me when people talk about wanting to see Camerons movie instead of raimis, because his would have been waaaayyy different. And that's why it's taken so long for the character to come to the screen.

What works with raimi's movies is that they don't try to be realistic...theyre colourful, cheesy but damn it's like youre watching a comic-book brought to life and that's why they work-in their own world .

So raimi has made a few alterations....but without those we'd end up with fantastic four which is just too-far fetched. the key is finding the balance.

Spider-man should have mass appeal, and the world seems to like the spidey movies they see.
Sure, they might not be timeless,like superman, but in a sea of dross they stand out as the best.

Could there be a better spider-man movie? sure...now that raimi's laid down the rules and done the groundwork, I'm sure someone could put a spin on it and make it more favourable (like nolan with begins) but credits due where credits due.

The fact raimi even got this movie to translate was through some very smart decisions, and I don't think we'll get a better vision of a spidey movie within the next decade..

So, I see where you're coming from, but I don't think the movie you want to see will ever be made, simply because youre in the minority. Spose it's like being a fan of the James Bond books and complaining that the movies are too broad.....but theyre too different things and like it or lump it always will be.

Spidey comics are Spidey comics-and work well within that fact, Spidey movies are Spidey movies. They capture the spirit of the books but do what they need to do to work well also.

yikes had a lot on your mind?

I only really read the last paragraph... well Spidey movies are supposed to be based on spidey comics and we can run around i circles on that one all day about exactly how faithful an adaptation is supposed to be. I just think fundamentally altering the character's story in an unnecessary way AFTER you got it right already is dumb.

 

[ScottishFogg]

 

[matthooper]

Wow, after an amazing new trailer, this is the kind of topic we get the next day. I give up.

Thanks to topics like this and other morons, I have to leave this forum. I lose faith in humanity a bit more every day I see crap like this. We have seen 2 trailers and the movie is 7 months away and the negativity is still happening. People are worthless.

 

[The Kid]

Spammer

 

[Batman]

Yeah, I'm serious. I can't stands it so I'm done with raimi's spidey and his macy gray and cartoony cgi with more cheese than the moon.

...And we all know that was all in the Spider-Man 3 trailer.