The Dark Knight Will TDK Show Off Batman's Detective Skills?

[nitemareseraph]

Batman did so some detective work in BB by asking Gordon those questions and figuring out what's going on with the drug shipments and stuff. It's not like he just magically knew there was something wrong and glided there :P

Besides, it'd be a little boring to watch Batman do some CSI work, no?

B: *Examines bed sheets* "There's some semen in here..."

Gordon: "So she was raped...."

B: "No, she wasn't. This is dog semen."

Gordon: "Why, there's dog hair in there?"

B: No. *sniffs at blanket* "It's dog semen for sure. Trust me."

LMFAO!!!!! Stotch......you are a sick bastard, and I like you already!

 

[hatebox]

No clue. Rights issues? It seems like a really stupid oversight, given the opportunity. If she has black hair and resembles Montoya even a little, it will be even stupider.

Although the easy answer is that Nolan and his crew don't know the comics THAT well.

Or.. maybe her character is nothing like Montoya's. Crazy idea, I know.

 

[The Guard]

The point is "why?" You have a chance to use a character like Rene Montoya, or Bullock, or even Hardback...and you make one/several up instead?

They "used" Flass. Hell, they even showed Zsasz in BEGINS.

If there's a female latin cop in this movie and she's not named Rene Montoya...that's just pointless oversight.

 

[GoogleMe94]

there have been 5 movies now and if I didn't read the comics I'd be none the wiser as to his genius.

no hint of his deductive reasoning
no hint of observational skills
no hint of his forensic skills
no gathering of clues

not true. in B89, he explained how and solved the jokers poison chemical code, and in batman returns he looked up the penguin on the batcomputer and found out info on the penguins background discovering that he has been a part of many crimes. that to me seems like detective/solving work. and in BB he found out a bit about how he could get to falcone withb a little help from gordon.

 

[Apollo]

i'd love to see batman with a magnify glass

 

[samsnee]

I guess that you've seen the super deluxe director's cut edition of Batman Begins, then? The one that goes into thorough detail about how he never, ever studied to become a detective? Even though that in BB there were still YEARS in his life that we don't know about from the time of his childhood up until the time he decides to travel abroad.

My feeling from the movie is that Bruce was in school pretty much until he came back for Chill's trial. They even said something about him going to Princeton. As someone else said, I don't expect this film's version to be the world's greatest detective like in the comics. I was surprised in the scene where Bruce wakes up from the toxin and Fox is explaining what happened to him, he seemed kind of clueless about it. So that right there tells me he isn't Bat-god.

 

[Spidey-Sean]

are they going to even HINT at this in the new movie.
there have been 5 movies now and if I didn't read the comics I'd be none the wiser as to his genius.

no hint of his deductive reasoning
no hint of observational skills
no hint of his forensic skills
no gathering of clues

if there is ONE avenue I wish they'd explore for ONCE is the fact bats is supposed to put sherlock holmes to shame.

Wrong. In Batman Begins we saw him eavesdropping on conversations multiple times, using disguises such as a street vagabond, and using nightvision to observe where the toxins were going. And everyone else has this thread covered with other references and movie examples. You must be on crack.

 

[Hyden]

detection is a kind of internal process as is, they can hint at it with showing him investigating a crime scene or breaking in to places, interrogating folk, but in the end, it's mostly in the head. so unless you want to cram a film with frevolous exposition or throw in 1 or 2 upbeat montage scenes that show him doing chemical tests, drawing graphs, all to some druan duran tune, i think you're out of luck

 

[hegele]

Wrong. In Batman Begins we saw him eavesdropping on conversations multiple times, using disguises such as a street vagabond, and using nightvision to observe where the toxins were going. And everyone else has this thread covered with other references and movie examples. You must be on crack.

AGREED!

I hate hearing complaints about Batmans detective work, he did it in Burton's original with the Joker's toxin, he did it in Returns with Oswald's background and he did it in Begins throughout the entire picture.

I don't know what else you would have liked, some CSI cgi shots of bullet holes??

 

[The Guard]

There's been detective work in every single Batman movie. He did it offscreen in BATMAN, BATMAN RETURNS was mostly guesswork, BATMAN FOREVER was riddle-solving, BATMAN & ROBIN's was luck, and BATMAN BEGINS showed mostly homework and surveillance. And yes, that's sort of detective work, but people want to see something "classic".

But people want to see Batman at the scene of a crime, doing a forensic investigation. You know, making a series of clever observations and deductions. Sherlock Holmes stuff. No, it's not neccessarily "realistic" tec work, but it's entertaining.

I think this version will do more research/riddle-solving/race-against-the-clock stuff. I imagine The Joker will taunt him, give him chances to save lives via "riddle-like" clues.

 

[xero1186]

Two words...

Matches Malone

The upper Jersey-sounding under cover goon.

 

[coleyhinson]

I think Goyer said in an interview somewhere the detective side would be shown more in TDK

 

[Stotch]

I think this version will do more research/riddle-solving/race-against-the-clock stuff. I imagine The Joker will taunt him, give him chances to save lives via "riddle-like" clues.

B: "If so, the first step of your application process awaits...if you know where to look.......WHERE DO I LOOK?! ****!!"

 

[ChickenScratch]

He's been presented doing detective work in the previous movies and I'm sure he will again. BB was Bruce getting his feet wet, he's hardly Batman for 3 entire days in the movie.

I would love to see him go more of the Sherlock Holmes and chard boild detective novel style Mike Hammer (from the Mickey Spillain books) and Raymond Chancellor.

 

[Afrigginhobbit]

I dunno if this has been already said, but Nolan himself said he wanted to put focus on Batman's detective skills more so in this movie than he did in BB.

Him going to Hong Kong is one of those instances.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

i'd love to see batman with a magnify glass

I believe the new cowl has a retractable magnifying glass built into it.

 

[itsthebatman]

i'd love to see batman with a magnify glass

Burning ants on a hot summers day. That's gotta be worth $10 of anyone's money.

 

[Stotch]

Burning ants on a hot summers day. That's gotta be worth $10 of anyone's money.

Not to mention a good weapon against scarecrow.

Bats: "DIEEEEE!"

Scarecrow: "That hurts......"

Bats: "Just stand still for a few more minutes GOSH!"

 

[DIRECTOR]

no hint of his deductive reasoning

At his birthday party when he figured out who Ra Al Ghul is?

no hint of observational skills

Batman spying to Dr. Crane at Arkum Asylum, is "xray" goggles

no hint of his forensic skills

Batman in the apartment and searching for evidence (the bunnies) just before the Scarecrow attacked him

no gathering of clues

Again in the apartment, also the joker card (clues)

I mean, it was all over Batman Begins

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

There was too much going on in the movie to begin with, I don't blame Nolan for not stopping the action so Bats can take a lengthy survey of a crime scene.

"Drugs, prints, cargo manifests - this Bat character gave us everything!"

Where do you think he got them? Off eBay?

Sometimes you have to use your imagination and your pre-existing knowledge of Batman to fill in the blanks.

 

[itsthebatman]

There was too much going on in the movie to begin with, I don't blame Nolan for not stopping the action so Bats can take a lengthy survey of a crime scene.

"Drugs, prints, cargo manifests - this Bat character gave us everything!"

Where do you think he got them? Off eBay?

There was quite the bidding war. He snuck in in the last five minutes and got them. But he never left feedback, oh noes!

 

[thewhyteman]

Yeah this is silly.

Detective work is as simple as asking questions. And he asked allot of questions.

Detectives have a wide variety of techniques available in conducting investigations. However, the majority of cases are solved by the interrogation of suspects and the interviewing of witnesses, which takes time. Besides interrogations, detectives may rely on a network of informants they have cultivated over the years. Informants often have connections with persons a detective would not be able to approach formally. Evidence collection and preservation can also help in identifying a potential suspect(s).
In criminal investigations, once a detective has suspects in mind, the next step is to produce evidence that will stand up in a court of law. The best way is to obtain a confession from the suspect, usually this is done by developing rapport and at times by seeking information in exchange for potential perks available through the District Attorney's Office, such as entering plea bargain for a lesser sentence in exchange for usable information. Detectives may lie, mislead and psychologically pressure a suspect into an admission or confession as long as they do this within procedural boundaries and without the threat of violence or promises outside their control. In the United States suspects may invoke their Miranda rights and refuse to answer any investigative questions until they consult with an attorney.

Well he definitly interrigated some folks. He used psychologya and pressure to get a confession. Got evidence for Rachel Dawes.

Sounds like a caped detective to me.

 

[ragdus]

No.
Obviously the success of the CSI series demonstrates how wrong you are.

That is predicated upon the mistaken belief that CSI actually shows real CSI stuff.

It's a cop show with short snippets of crime lab investigation drawn out by goofy CGI.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

A good detective rattles the cages. And by god, that mother ****** rattled some damn cages!!

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

That is predicated upon the mistaken belief that CSI actually shows real CSI stuff.

It's a cop show with short snippets of crime lab investigation drawn out by goofy CGI.

Although it would've been awesome had Falcone, when grabbed by Batman at the docks, asked -

"Whooooo are youuu? Who, who? Who, who?"