The Dark Knight Will TDK Show Off Batman's Detective Skills?

[the_monk]

What is that 1% problem that can not be solved by sex for a man?

HIV/AIDS

 

[turtlefocker]

The new WIZARD article mentions detective work:

On the law-abiding side of things, Gordon gets a hand from a character named Detective Ramirez played by actress Monique Curnen (“Dexter&#8221. Early reports indicated Curnen would play Renee Montoya, a female detective in Batman comic book continuity, but have since been scuttled. Also look for Wayne to relocate into a downtown penthouse since his family mansion burned to the ground in the last film. And expect plenty of development in Batman’s arsenal of skills.

“In this movie he does much more easily assume a more detective type role,” says Nolan.

“That was something that was important for us to get in the first film. We got in there in a small way, but in dealing with the origin and dealing with all of the large aspects of the character I think it became very difficult to get that in there. What we’ve tried to put in this is all of the stuff that we couldn’t get in the first film. Him as a detective is one of those aspects.”

All in all, Nolan and company stayed true to their attempt at remaking the Batman franchise for a new generation. From creating a fully realized pocket universe to explaining the use of gadgets and gizmos in a completely tangible ways to well-rounded characters whose motivations are understandable, it’s sometimes easy to forget he’s making a comic book movie. But Nolan’s bucked that negative stigma and it’s due in large part to his star.

“I think that if anything, with sequels, people start getting a little complacent about it’s and it’s nice to try and maintain“ muses Bale. “I always enjoy when people are thinking that a movie is going to fail miserably. I get quite a kick out of that. It’s tougher for me to deal with when everyone thinks that it’s going to be a home run from the get-go. I don’t know what to do with it as much.”

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Finally, people have they're proof. Thank you.

 

[Tatsumarushinob]

I equal Batman Begins with Batman:Year One. In both, there is a fair amount of disguise missions and taping conversations. In both Batman is more muscle and weaponry. He is more investigating more than actually detecting criminal m.o. No when you go into the Long Halloween and Dark Victory he is a full fledged detective. I don't know, you guys might know better than me.

 

[William_C]

Sufficient
I think that will be good. After a few watchings of Batman Begins, I was kinda wanting to see more of the magnifying glass type of, searching, documents, investigations, footprint type stuff. Might've been a CSI marathon before that, I dunno. But either way, I'm sure it'll be enjoyable for those yearning for some detective Bruce/Bats

 

[Micah12345]

TC will only be content if there is a scene that has bruce pouring florescent colored liquid between beakers.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Why the hell have a Latina detective and name her Ramirez instead of Montoya?

 

[thejestergod6]

plot device

 

[The Guard]

I have to be honest. While he may end up being some fashion of detective, he's not going to be the world's greatest in this franchise. You have to learn things like that...and to date, Bruce hasn't.

 

[ray243]

Well...batman did do some detective work...and all those work are meant to be boring...

What? Do you expect any job to be full of excitment? Like I said...being a detective can be boring at times...



I Know what kind of detective work you guys want. You want a plot twist kind of detective work...


For that to work, you would need a equal or even footing enemy on a intellectual level. Someone who is able to match wits with batman.

You want a detective aspect of batman to be something like the movie death note, where two brilliant minded person constantly tried to win a battle of wits. Hiding evidence, deception, recovering evidence.


In batman begins, you can hardly see anyone who has that kind of time and intelligient other than Ra's Al Gul.

But that plot twist is boring because you don't get to see Ra's trying to outthink batman.


You want to see a sceanrio where batman outthinks is enemy. Well...if you guys want to enjoy that...I would suggest to you to stop reading spoilers.


A dectective story spoilers CAN spoil the story ALOT. It can easily that away enjoyments from the book or film once you know the ending.

 

[SimpleHero82]

i mean there is that one leaked still of bruce and alfred working at his computer desk taking notes and stuff. That proves that at least in one scene he's figuring something out.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Why the hell have a Latina detective and name her Ramirez instead of Montoya?

That's the twist for the movie, she really is Montoya!

 

[afan]

In the Bourne Identity there's a great scene in a diner when Jason Bourne details everything he "knows" about his surroundings and the other people in the diner, based soley on his powers of observation. While it is true that his skill as a detective has been hinted at, this skill has not been included to date.

That's what I want to see in a Batman film. He walks into a crime scene covertly with Gordon, perhaps just prior to the arrival of Gotham's "official" crime units, and after a moment of observation is capable of accurately determining many details of the crime. Morgan Freeman also did this sort of thing in "Se7en".

 

[Bat-Mite]

I have to be honest. While he may end up being some fashion of detective, he's not going to be the world's greatest in this franchise. You have to learn things like that...and to date, Bruce hasn't.

I guess that you've seen the super deluxe director's cut edition of Batman Begins, then? The one that goes into thorough detail about how he never, ever studied to become a detective? Even though that in BB there were still YEARS in his life that we don't know about from the time of his childhood up until the time he decides to travel abroad.

 

[Stotch]

Batman did so some detective work in BB by asking Gordon those questions and figuring out what's going on with the drug shipments and stuff. It's not like he just magically knew there was something wrong and glided there :P

Besides, it'd be a little boring to watch Batman do some CSI work, no?

B: *Examines bed sheets* "There's some semen in here..."

Gordon: "So she was raped...."

B: "No, she wasn't. This is dog semen."

Gordon: "Why, there's dog hair in there?"

B: No. *sniffs at blanket* "It's dog semen for sure. Trust me."

 

[afan]

Besides, it'd be a little boring to watch Batman do some CSI work, no?

No.
Obviously the success of the CSI series demonstrates how wrong you are.

 

[Axtech]

Batman did so some detective work in BB by asking Gordon those questions and figuring out what's going on with the drug shipments and stuff. It's not like he just magically knew there was something wrong and glided there :P

Besides, it'd be a little boring to watch Batman do some CSI work, no?

B: *Examines bed sheets* "There's some semen in here..."

Gordon: "So she was raped...."

B: "No, she wasn't. This is dog semen."

Gordon: "Why, there's dog hair in there?"

B: No. *sniffs at blanket* "It's dog semen for sure. Trust me."

you should definitely write the third film for Nolan. that was pure Bats right there.

 

[Stotch]

No.
Obviously the success of the CSI series demonstrates how wrong you are.

How wrong I am? This is Batman. Not CSI.
I'd rather Batman do simple detective work rather than enter some lab and watch him expiriment with liquids and other chemicals for 30 minutes.

 

[Anita18]

TC will only be content if there is a scene that has bruce pouring florescent colored liquid between beakers.

Bwahahahahhahha!

I'm so amused by the dramatic scenes in CSI of people moving beakers around. Mmm, that's so sexy.

 

[Axtech]

CSI: Gotham
Summer 2008

 

[afan]

How wrong I am? This is Batman. Not CSI.
I'd rather Batman do simple detective work rather than enter some lab and watch him expiriment with liquids and other chemicals for 30 minutes.

So Batman does not do "C"rime "S"cene "I"nvestigation?

Of course watching Batman hang out in a lab for 30 minutes would be absurd, but watching him detail a grisly crime scene ala Grissom would be welcome.

 

[Stotch]

CSI: Gotham
Summer 2008

lol.

Gordon: "Batman, shouldn't you be, y'know fighting some people right now?"

B: "UM, NO. I'm busy expholiating this sheet of linen paper to see if the murderer left any clues at the crime scene. If this bullet is truly from a .38, then we know who our man is.

Gordon: "Batman....he left his name written on the wall, 'Joker was here'. And we have his location now!"

B: "Gordon, CSI is succesful, OK? Which means this'll make the movie successful, too! Just go play over there or something.."

 

[Stotch]

So Batman does not do "C"rime "S"cene "I"nvestigation?

Of course watching Batman hang out in a lab for 30 minutes would be absurd, but watching him detail a grisly crime scene ala Grissom would be welcome.

What more do you want?:

"Drugs, prints, cargo manifests... This bat character gave us everything."
-Rachel
(Batman Begins)


It's not like he just found all that stuff under a rock, he had to go get it. That's detective work.

 

[turtlefocker]

Sufficient
I think that will be good. After a few watchings of Batman Begins, I was kinda wanting to see more of the magnifying glass type of, searching, documents, investigations, footprint type stuff.

I think we'll be getting a lot of that in TDK.

 

[The Guard]

Why the hell have a Latina detective and name her Ramirez instead of Montoya?

No clue. Rights issues? It seems like a really stupid oversight, given the opportunity. If she has black hair and resembles Montoya even a little, it will be even stupider.

Although the easy answer is that Nolan and his crew don't know the comics THAT well.

I guess that you've seen the super deluxe director's cut edition of Batman Begins, then? The one that goes into thorough detail about how he never, ever studied to become a detective? Even though that in BB there were still YEARS in his life that we don't know about from the time of his childhood up until the time he decides to travel abroad.

So...by your logic, Bruce may have been a serial killer/rapist before he became Batman, and we can't be sure because the movie doesn't show it?

The detective element is such a key part of his character. Omitting it...not showing it...just doesn't sit right. Especially in a franchise so concerned about where all his skills/gadgets/ideas come from.

I don't mind if he just does some detective work to figure things out, and I'd find that adequate if it's done well, but I doubt he'll ever reach "world's greatest" level.