Superman Returns Will they make sequel?

[JekzStar]

I hope they do make the sequel.

But i think the film needs to cross the 200 million dollar mark for it to do that.

There were some flaws in the movie, sure i think we all know agree it was basically a rehash of the orginal with a return story hench SUPERMAN RETURNS.

Adding the kid was a bad mistake (cause somebody said when Superman and Lois got it on, Superman lose his powers how in the world does the kids have powers then)

Look X2 was a big step up from Xmen 1.

A sequel to Superman would be big i want say huge but big, a super villian is needed probably Brainiac with Lex Luthor trying to help a bit like Superman two but different.

And dont compare Superman Returns to Batman Begins, i'm a huge Batman fan that film was better than Superman Returns but returns was good, and can easily build on it

 

[roach]

Adding the kid was a bad mistake (cause somebody said when Superman and Lois got it on, Superman lose his powers how in the world does the kids have powers then)

Because taking away Superman's powers didnt take away his Kryptonian genetics. Any child Superman has will be half human half kryptonian and have the potential of having Superman's powers.

 

[OzzMosiz]

I hope they do make the sequel.
Adding the kid was a bad mistake (cause somebody said when Superman and Lois got it on, Superman lose his powers how in the world does the kids have powers then)

If I had electrolysis and removed all my hair, any offspring would still have hair!
Like Roach said, genetics!!

 

[atomicbattery]

If WB can contain the budget to around 150 million then should be fine. All of the research on the new genesis camera has been done, they know how to make the effects work, some of the props have been designed and built, so they don't need to tread new ground in those ways.

True. And the principal actors aren't expensive to bring back.

A Superman sequel should not cost more than a Fantastic Four sequel, and SR should outgross FF worldwide by a healthy margin.
And, unlike Fox/FF, TimeWarner keeps all movie, dvd and merchandising profits exclusively to themselves.

It's not a matter of whether it will be profitable- it will- but a matter of whether or not they (TW and Singer) want to.

 

[jensmith]

From the box office discussion thread:

EXCLUSIVE: Super ($200 Million) Man or Else?

Posted Jul 10th 2006 8:13PM by Claude Brodesser-Akner
Filed under: Movies, The Biz, City Of Industry
From Claude Brodesser-Akner's City of Industry blog
Will Hollywood blockbuster budgets continue to fly "up, up and away?" Not necessarily.

At least, not at Warner Bros. Pictures. After a $225 million "Pirates of the Caribbean" sailed into port, taking the wind out of "Superman Returns'" $205 million Spandex, Warner Bros. executives are said to be circumspect as to whether the Man of Steel will fly again.

Talent agency insiders with ties to the film tell TMZ that Warner Bros. Pictures president and COO Alan Horn has informed agents that a sequel hinges on whether grosses of "Superman Returns" can crest the $200 million mark domestically. What's more, the studio plans to shave millions - many millions - off any "Superman" sequel's budget. (Amusingly, in the current "Superman Returns," Lois Lane pleads with Lex Luthor, "But millions will die! " It turns out she was right on the money.)

As Variety's box office guru Ben Fritz noted last July 4th, "Superman Returns is off to a strong start, albeit not as fast as a speeding bullet. Warner Bros. superhero tent pole grossed a solid $52.5 million on its opening weekend and $74 million over the five-day Fourth of July frame. Since its Wednesday opening, the Bryan Singer-helmed franchise restart has taken in $106 million."
Talent agency insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity, insist that Horn is so concerned about being burned financially by ionospheric "Superman" special effects costs that any sequel's budget would cost far less than Bryan Singer's quarter billion dollar baby: a meager $150 million. That's a whopping $35 million less than its predecessor was green lit at, and roughly $55 million less than "Superman Returns" alleged final negative cost. So much for a getting a raise.

However, no one could blame Horn for being cautious. Despite opening at No. 1 in all its territories, overseas, the Man of Steel is starting to look just a bit rusty. The just-ended World Cup meant that Warner Bros. took a pass on European and Latin American territories, and its second weekend in release overseas, "Superman Returns" dipped 55% to take in $9 million from 1,800 prints in 14 markets.

We're bracing to hear how director Bryan Singer will react to this newfound fiscal restraint.

Our guess: Not well.

Says one executive involved in the production and financing of "Superman Returns," "They can try and spin it as 'There are certain economies of scale that come from the making of the first one, blah blah blah. But the reality is, it's harder to play in a smaller sandbox and still push the envelope."

Calls place to Horn were not returned, and a studio spokeswoman declined to comment on the fiscal retrenchment.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/10/exclusive-super-200-million-man-or-else/

 

[bosef982]

This is sort of sad. A great movie. Amazing film, in fact. And it's going to get treated like this. I can understand Horn's concern -- I really do. However, at the same time, I'm sort of annoyed that WB knows they made a quality movie -- perhaps the taste for Superman isn't in the public anymore???

Either way, I think Singer could handle Superman Returns II in a 150 millionish budget.

 

[J.Howlett]

bosef,

More than likely, that editorial is just a rumor. It touts a whole bunch of "unnamed sources." That's fine but I don't trust it just yet. Considering that Singer is going to be a Comic-Con to discuss "what's next", I'll wait until that event before we judge what WB really thinks.

Still, I'm in the same boat as you about this film and its director.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Either way, I think Singer could handle Superman Returns II in a 150 millionish budget.

yeah, as much respect as i have for Singer...i don't think he really knows how to handle money too well. he needs to hire someone to assist him when it comes to the budget and special effects.

 

[Excel]

he handled it really well on the xmen films... x2 was only 110 millionwith that huge cast action sets and special effects.

frankly i dont see why a budget cut is even needed. 200 million is perfect. this one cost 204 and youll save money on not having to build as many sets. but superman returns will be m,aking a lot of profit past its 200 million budget, and superman 2 would make even more.

 

[Eros]

Because taking away Superman's powers didnt take away his Kryptonian genetics. Any child Superman has will be half human half kryptonian and have the potential of having Superman's powers.

rewtach superman 2, the machine completly changed supermans DNA into human. Jor-el clearly says this, and warns clark against this. Takeing away clark powers is impossible, you would need to change his genetics and not make him kryptonian.

 

[BH/HHH]

They will most definatly do a sequel. I hope it has a super-villain in it. They should have another go at Supergirl with Superman in the film. Follow a S:TAS type discovery of Supergirl but with better villains.

 

["_____"]

face it....singer F__KED up big time on this film...it looks like we really did get the death of superman movie...sad

 

[Captain Kirk]

It's at 141 mil now, and will make over 200 mil in the end. People jump to conclusions on these boards so quickly. It really is funny,and there is no doubt that a sequel is coming. It's way too early to get upset.

 

[logansoldcigar]

rewtach superman 2, the machine completly changed supermans DNA into human. Jor-el clearly says this, and warns clark against this. Takeing away clark powers is impossible, you would need to change his genetics and not make him kryptonian.

Jor El also claims its irreversible.

 

[The Caped Knight]

It's at 141 mil now, and will make over 200 mil in the end. People jump to conclusions on these boards so quickly. It really is funny,and there is no doubt that a sequel is coming. It's way too early to get upset.

tell me about it .

 

[diabolik]

face it....singer F__KED up big time on this film...it looks like we really did get the death of superman movie...sad

tripe like that deserves the ol' Rolly Eyes.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's at 141 mil now, and will make over 200 mil in the end. People jump to conclusions on these boards so quickly. It really is funny,and there is no doubt that a sequel is coming. It's way too early to get upset.

You don't know that for sure. It's gonna face some stiff competition in coming weeks, and considering the blase response it's gotten so far, there's no guarantee for 200 million.

 

[BatFitz]

I don't think You, Me and Dupree is going to be big competition for Superman...just POTC2..and I think I know why America is liking that better than SR....anything shiny and moving alot with Johnny Depp....why, all they'd need is a honey glazed ham, and in Jeff Foxworthy's words, they'd have a redneck thanksgiving...heh, I kid, I kid...I'm just saying that alot of people in this generation of kids and teens(excluding myself) don't care about plot anymore...that's why so many people liked Matrix 2...heh, yeah, I said they DID.....In the end i think we all know which movie had more passion put towards it...

 

["_____"]

I don't think You, Me and Dupree is going to be big competition for Superman...just POTC2..and I think I know why America is liking that better than SR....anything shiny and moving alot with Johnny Depp....why, all they'd need is a honey glazed ham, and in Jeff Foxworthy's words, they'd have a redneck thanksgiving...heh, I kid, I kid...I'm just saying that alot of people in this generation of kids and teens(excluding myself) don't care about plot anymore...that's why so many people liked Matrix 2...heh, yeah, I said they DID.....In the end i think we all know which movie had more passion put towards it...

yeah...potc

 

[bosef982]

I hope they do make the sequel.

But i think the film needs to cross the 200 million dollar mark for it to do that.

There were some flaws in the movie, sure i think we all know agree it was basically a rehash of the orginal with a return story hench SUPERMAN RETURNS.

Adding the kid was a bad mistake (cause somebody said when Superman and Lois got it on, Superman lose his powers how in the world does the kids have powers then)

Look X2 was a big step up from Xmen 1.

A sequel to Superman would be big i want say huge but big, a super villian is needed probably Brainiac with Lex Luthor trying to help a bit like Superman two but different.

And dont compare Superman Returns to Batman Begins, i'm a huge Batman fan that film was better than Superman Returns but returns was good, and can easily build on it

Going by the above bolded, you can of course objectively assess the quality of the movies. Seriously...

Returns is easily a better film. Better acted, better shot, and better written. Just compare the two films third acts.

 

["_____"]

A sequel to Superman would be big i want say huge but big, a super villian is needed probably Brainiac with Lex Luthor trying to help a bit like Superman two but different.

not trying to be an a__ but what makes you think a second movie would be bigger then the first? people just dont want to see superman....

 

[WormyT]

Going by the above bolded, you can of course objectively assess the quality of the movies. Seriously...

Returns is easily a better film. Better acted, better shot, and better written. Just compare the two films third acts.

Batman Begins is a FAR superior movie than Superman Returns..

 

[J.Howlett]

I wouldn't say far superior than Begins. I mean, for me, they are extremely close. The "unbias" me says Returns is better than Begins because Begins' third act isn't nearly as compelling as as the rest of the film, eventhough I still think it's quite good.

The "bias" me goes with Batman mainly because we haven't seen Batman correctly on the screen until last year and I was waiting patiently for that. Plus, Batman's just my comic character of all time. I mean, he's the freaking man.....

 

[y2jversion1]

Going by the above bolded, you can of course objectively assess the quality of the movies. Seriously...

Returns is easily a better film. Better acted, better shot, and better written. Just compare the two films third acts.

Now only if Singer hadn't made the first 2 acts rehash's of Donner's films - maybe the argument that "Returns is easily a better film" would hold more water.

Lets see:

Begins - Full restart, new villains, acts 1 & 2 are not rehash's of older Batman films and for sake of argument, plot in act 3 (poisoning city) was kind of rehashed from Batman 89

Returns - Vague sequel, same villain, acts 1 & 2 are rehashes of Superman 1 & 2, plot on act 3 was where Singer started getting fresh.

So you have Begins which is, for argument's sake, 2/3 fresh new material and then you have Returns which is 1/3 fresh material.

That's all I have to say.

 

[sundaycall]

The fact remains, if past films in a similar box office position as Superman Returns are anything to go by (Hulk, T3, X-Men, Batman Begins), then the movie will make at least 300 million worldwide. Now forgetting about dvd's and merchandise and all those other lines of revenue, this figure will guarantee SR makes its investment back, however, even if SR scales the 400million mark, it still won't be viable for the studio to heavily finance a sequel, let alone fast track a release for 2009, the studio needs an incentive, a big profit margin possibility to reach for and at present that doesn't look likely if the franchise continues the way it has (re)started. The studio expected Spider-man-like figures, 700mill+ worldwide, anything less is a disappointment.

And its not Singer's fault, or his vision for the film that has scuppered the box-office, the figures from the beginning were underwhelming before word of mouth had spread and inspite of positive reviews it may be the case that todays's audiences aren't interested in Superman as a character anymore, or perhaps the super hero genre has begun to run its course after so many adaptations in the last 6 or 7 years people might just want something else.

The film's legs aren't holding up in the U.S., it will be lucky to pass 200 mill domestically, the immediate future of this franchise rests in the hands of the international box-office where thankfully there are still a half dozen key territories the film has yet to be released (it hits the U.K. on Friday, and should score 30-40 million$ from here alone) so perhaps...perhaps there is still a chance for the boyscout