The Amazing Spider-Man Will Uncle Ben die....

[Doc Phosphorus]

Read the post I was quoting. I was trying to prove that the Raimi suit wasn't perfect and it still could have made improvements.

But that's not what they did. They did that, plus redesigned every other element. It's much, much further now from the original concept.

Keep in mind I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Just an observation.

 

[El Payaso]

Read the post I was quoting. I was trying to prove that the Raimi suit wasn't perfect and it still could have made improvements.

But what you did prove was that Raimi's suit, even when not perfect, was also able to be ruined.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

But that's not what they did. They did that, plus redesigned every other element. It's much, much further now from the original concept.

Keep in mind I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Just an observation.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the new suit but I also did not think that the Raimi suit was perfect.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

But what you did prove was that Raimi's suit, even when not perfect, was also able to be ruined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHPVZAQmbM

 

[SpaceWay2009]

LMAO! What episode was that in Family Guy? I got to see it.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

^ Not sure which # episode. Sorry

 

[Thwip!]

^ Not sure which # episode. Sorry

season 7 ep 1 according to the decription 111 i believe

 

[SpideyFan866]

The Raimi suit was virtual perfection in the first film.

It was ruined and became too gaudy in the second and third films. In those films, they made the webbing even thicker and made it outright silver than a dark blackish gray like it was in the first film.

Those tiny changes ruined the suit for me.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Peters parents were added in years later. They really have no weight at all into why Peter becomes Spider-Man. They do in USM but I'm not a big fan of that run.

So, as long as Ben is the main focus of why Peter becomes Spider-Man and not just swept under the rug then I'm fine.

Peter is not a crime fighter before Ben dies. He was a wrestler and a kid with no emotional burdens that now had super powers. Once Ben died then he used those powers to help others.

The only impact they have in the USM origin is giving Peter half the formula for webbing.

The fact of the matter is Ben is the reason Peter becomes a hero. His parents have nothing to do with it. It goes, Peter gets powers, cashes in on those powers, ignores doing good with the powers, Uncle Ben pays for that, Peter must now use powers for good. That's the origin. Raimi got it right, Webb from everything I've seen and read, got it wrong. I understand wanting to differentiate yourself from Raimi's Spider-man, but deliberately f'ing up the origin is the wrong way. It's the reason I'm not excited about this movie.

 

[Ultimatehero]

It may be changing the origin slightly, but Webb is approaching it from a more realistic standpoint and how Peter would react if alive and walking amongst us.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

It may be changing the origin slightly, but Webb is approaching it from a more realistic standpoint and how Peter would react if alive and walking amongst us.

Slightly? From what I'm reading he's changing the core element of the origin. His origin is already fairly realistic (considering he's a superhero and all), kid finds fame and fortune, it goes to his head, he's becomes self-absorbed, that self-absorbtion results in a tradegy.

 

[Troy_Parker]

What core element have they changed?

In the comics, Peter abuses his powers.

In Raimi's take, Peter also abuses his powers.

In this... well, we really don't know tbh. Considering Ben's famous line is in this movie, I'm assuming there's something that Peter does to go with it.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I think it's pretty much like this:

Peter doesn't stop a mugger (the one who robs a store or something), very similar to USM, on the street, seconds later, Ben gets shot.

"With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"? He had the power to stop him, but he didn't take the responsibility for it. Peter then decides to take his powers and the responsibility that his powers have given him seriously...

Eh, I'm looking into it way too much. I can see why some people are worried though. I'd rather wait for the movie and see how it plays out.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Slightly? From what I'm reading he's changing the core element of the origin. His origin is already fairly realistic (considering he's a superhero and all), kid finds fame and fortune, it goes to his head, he's becomes self-absorbed, that self-absorbtion results in a tradegy.

More realistic in that any person who lost their parents - it would have a impact on them. Raimi completely bypassed this and as an orphan this felt extremely fake and unrealistic to me that they're not even mentioned once. It felt cheap. At least in the novelization there was a mention/scene about it. Why it was deleted, I have no idea. But that would have at least made it plausible for me, more so than it was. Check the prior page for a more detailed analysis. The very fact that Peter's parents are finally being focused on along with Uncle Ben means they are finally being true to who Peter is in all his being. Unsure if this will make sense to anyone reading this who only has one set of parents though......

 

[UltimateWebhead]

More realistic in that any person who lost their parents - it would have a impact on them. Raimi completely bypassed this and as an orphan this felt extremely fake and unrealistic to me that they're not even mentioned once. It felt cheap. At least in the novelization there was a mention/scene about it. Why it was deleted, I have no idea. But that would have at least made it plausible for me, more so than it was. Check the prior page for a more detailed analysis. The very fact that Peter's parents are finally being focused on along with Uncle Ben means they are finally being true to who Peter is in all his being. Unsure if this will make sense to anyone reading this who only has one set of parents though......

There's a chance that some of the things written in the novel were actually filmed when creating the movie but failed to make the final cut for some reason. It could have been for time or possibly because it didn't flow correctly with the rest of the film.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I think part of it was filmed. The cemetery scene for example at the beginning? That was in it, I believe, unsure if the other aspects were filmed though. Might have been or might just have been in the book. But it at least made him seem more real.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

More realistic in that any person who lost their parents - it would have a impact on them. Raimi completely bypassed this and as an orphan this felt extremely fake and unrealistic to me that they're not even mentioned once. It felt cheap. At least in the novelization there was a mention/scene about it. Why it was deleted, I have no idea. But that would have at least made it plausible for me, more so than it was. Check the prior page for a more detailed analysis. The very fact that Peter's parents are finally being focused on along with Uncle Ben means they are finally being true to who Peter is in all his being. Unsure if this will make sense to anyone reading this who only has one set of parents though......

Wrong, Stan Lee completely bypassed this. I'm not trying to insult you Ultimatehero, I couldn't imagine being an orphan. However, when talking about Spider-man, his parents have never been much of a factor. His parent's not being mentioned in Raimi's films wasn't cheap, it was in line with the original comics.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I think part of it was filmed. The cemetery scene for example at the beginning? That was in it, I believe, unsure if the other aspects were filmed though. Might have been or might just have been in the book. But it at least made him seem more real.

Yeah, sometimes what works in one medium doesn't always work in another. Peter's parents and their story is a very important aspect of his character and I'm glad that Webb will be focusing on this for TASM.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Wrong, Stan Lee completely bypassed this. I'm not trying to insult you Ultimatehero, I couldn't imagine being an orphan. However, when talking about Spider-man, his parents have never been much of a factor. His parent's not being mentioned in Raimi's films wasn't cheap, it was in line with the original comics.

Have many comics never mentioned it? Yes. Have others? Yes. It was introduced into the comics for a reason. It's a strong part that makes him who he is. It may be "fantastical" that someone who lost their parents doesn't care at all about them or mentions them at all in passing - but it's far from realistic. Hell, re-read the origin comics and one thing you'll be able to see clearly is he has a strong chip on his shoulder one that's more so than just being seen as a loser in school. And I actually take one thing back, Raimi did mention it once in passing but it was hardly there. The comics that combine all elements of who he is? Are true to how Peter Parker would be. Plus all those jokes he makes about being self-loathing? Especially early on? Where do you think that comes from? It takes a lot to get to where he is. And Stan Lee made this guy an orphan for a reason - as said - losing a second father figure after losing the first one? Has a certain sharp knife thrust that's there additionally due to losing the first. It's harder pain inflicted. Nightmare you get after losing someone that close? It happening again. So it's kind of obvious Uncle Ben is going to have a very strong role to play and is death will be felt a hundred times more.

To me one thing that's evident is both Peter and Bruce Wayne were inflicted by their parents death. While Bruce wallows in his cave fighting to, in a sense, bring them back. Peter uses sarcasm to mask his feelings of insecurity. Hell, he even pokes fun at having this mechanism and why he has it.

 

[DACrowe]

Title's misleading. So Ben dying won't be why he becomes a superhero?

Color me forced contrivance merely to differentiate itself from the previous film.

Also, color me unsurprised.

 

[DACrowe]

The Raimi suit was virtual perfection in the first film.

It was ruined and became too gaudy in the second and third films. In those films, they made the webbing even thicker and made it outright silver than a dark blackish gray like it was in the first film.

Those tiny changes ruined the suit for me.

Really? I thought it got better. The eyes, gloves and chest emblem did. I guess the back was better in the 2002 movie. Those were the only subtle differences between movies I noticed.

 

[socool]

Title's misleading. So Ben dying won't be why he becomes a superhero?

Color me forced contrivance merely to differentiate itself from the previous film.

Also, color me unsurprised.

It won't be the sole reason, no.

 

[DACrowe]

Just feels very forced. They could have explored his parents without retreading the origin. Especially if they're just messing with it so much.

 

[Ultimatehero]

At this point do we know that much though other than all three deaths impact him? Uncle Ben's death will probably be the final linch pin that pushes him into becoming Spider-Man. As said, Ben dying would be felt much heavier now that his original loss is there.

I loved Journey 2 for this, the teenaged character stops being sarcastic for just a moment to beg pleadingly and beyond vulnerable: "you have to come back. No. You don't understand. I NEED you to come back. I can't lose anyone else." Or for those who watch Vampire Diaries - Jeremy's line "why does everyone keep dying on me?" Any loss after that loss is a significant loss that's felt more profoundly. A million times since we're talking his adoptive father.

 

[mayo23]

Title's misleading. So Ben dying won't be why he becomes a superhero?

Color me forced contrivance merely to differentiate itself from the previous film.

Also, color me unsurprised.

And how did you unsurprisingly come to this conclusion?