The Dark Knight Rises Will we ever get the best of both worlds?

[Goodfellas]

How did you not find TDK fun? Theresa reason its the second biggest movie of all time .. people dont flock to a movie if its not fun

TDK hade that epic car chase scene when they hade Dent in the armored car

And how could we not forget one of the coolest scenes in movie histoy when batman flips the semi... i mean the first two times i saw that in theaters people were all going nuts at how cool it was

And of course everytime the joker was on screen people hade a smile on there face

So i dont know i could understand not thinking Begins is fun but TDK was pretty damn fun if you ask me

 

[I Am The Knight]

It's NOLAN we're talking about. TDK wasn't as depressing as Memento or The Prestige.

I didn't find Memento to be that depressing at all. I have seen parts of The Prestige. Mainly the ending So no comment there.

 

[goh78]

I don't understand this thread...

What's an example of what you'd like to see that would be less 'depressing'? Dent is friends with Batman at the end? The Joker apologizes to everyone and cleans up his act? It's a dark story that isn't meant to be 'fun' in the general sense of the word.

And the reason the animated series is 'fun' is because it's a cartoon...
They tried 'fun' Batman movies, and we got this:

I guess there's just no pleasing fanboys...

 

[[A]]

Easy, side-kick!

 

[mavsmaniac21]

Honestly, people are acting like I'm insulting TDK, which I'm not. I'm simply saying that my one and only issue, and not even a big one, was that I thought that the film was a bit depressing, and whatever, it's fine! It was a great film overall, I'm sorry for bringing it up!

The main question of my first post was, do you think that in the future, we will get a Batman film that is both true to the Batman mythos and is not quite so depressing, and that is overall a great film (Not like Schumachers)

you mean Batman Begins?

 

[Octoberist]

i get want loud silent man is saying, and i agree to a degree.

 

[Doc Samson]

It's just my personal opinion, but Batman as a character only really works when it's done serious. Now the fantasy elements, as far as some of the characters, I do want back, and I'm sure we'll get that in the next batch of movies somewhere down the line. But as far as tone, every Batman story I've ever read or watched that was really good, was really serious. I think TDK had to end on a sour note because of the story itself and what happens, I don't expect the next one to end like that at all.

Even the animated series, which most agree is probably the best of any comic to date, was good in large part to them doing very grown up stories. Most of those good episodes weren't light or fun in any way, and Burton's films, especially Returns, were just as dark as Nolan's stuff, it was just done in a more stylized, gothic way.

Certain heroes, like Superman or Spiderman, should always be light. I cringe at the thought of WB doing a "darker" Superman because I'm confused as to what that means. Supes, Spidey and the original Captain America, are not dark and should never be dark. Likewise, Batman, the Hulk, Punisher, X-men, they all deal with very serious themes and should always have that tone. As a Hulk fan, I realize that no matter how good cgi gets, as a movie, it won't ever have huge amounts of success because it's really not that fun of a story. Banner isn't fun to watch, he isn't colorful or cracking jokes, and he's possibly the dryest of any hero ever created personality-wise and that's how it should be. IronMan can walk that line because even though it has adult themes, Starks as a character has always been a wise ass, with personality to spare, and the villains make up for Batman's lack of "fun" no matter how dark they make the movies, so it all depends on the what these characters were originally created to be.

Even with Man-Bat or Mr. Freeze, Batman's tone shouldn't be light or cheerful, there's nothing jovial about his situation, Gotham is the worst place you could imagine, running around with Bat-repellent won't get the job done.

 

[LostGuy]

It's just my personal opinion, but Batman as a character only really works when it's done serious. Now the fantasy elements, as far as some of the characters, I do want back, and I'm sure we'll get that in the next batch of movies somewhere down the line. But as far as tone, every Batman story I've ever read or watched that was really good, was really serious. I think TDK had to end on a sour note because of the story itself and what happens, I don't expect the next one to end like that at all.

Even the animated series, which most agree is probably the best of any comic to date, was good in large part to them doing very grown up stories. Most of those good episodes weren't light or fun in any way, and Burton's films, especially Returns, were just as dark as Nolan's stuff, it was just done in a more stylized, gothic way.

Certain heroes, like Superman or Spiderman, should always be light. I cringe at the thought of WB doing a "darker" Superman because I'm confused as to what that means. Supes, Spidey and the original Captain America, are not dark and should never be dark. Likewise, Batman, the Hulk, Punisher, X-men, they all deal with very serious themes and should always have that tone. As a Hulk fan, I realize that no matter how good cgi gets, as a movie, it won't ever have huge amounts of success because it's really not that fun of a story. Banner isn't fun to watch, he isn't colorful or cracking jokes, and he's possibly the dryest of any hero ever created personality-wise and that's how it should be. IronMan can walk that line because even though it has adult themes, Starks as a character has always been a wise ass, with personality to spare, and the villains make up for Batman's lack of "fun" no matter how dark they make the movies, so it all depends on the what these characters were originally created to be.

Even with Man-Bat or Mr. Freeze, Batman's tone shouldn't be light or cheerful, there's nothing jovial about his situation, Gotham is the worst place you could imagine, running around with Bat-repellent won't get the job done.

I totally agree. I like to go to the movies and see Spider-Man and Iron Man and laugh a bit because of the jokes, but I am not willing to do so when it comes to Batman. He is much more tragic than any other superhero because he could NEVER get over what happened to him and keep going. So, to bring some "fun" to his world is to diminish the character.

I am not saying we can't have a Batman comic book with fantasy element or jokes, but to do that in a film would not be a good idea IMHO. And I had plenty of fun watching TDK exactly because of its dark tone (I event think it should have been even darker).

 

[Rasputin911]

I think that for now, the Batman live-action franchise should keep the gritty/realistic/serious atmosphere. But 10, 20 years from now, whose to stop someone from making a "Dark Knight Returns" film or something, with all the fantasy of that comic book?

I think they should keep making animated films as well, maybe to serve as an alternative to Nolan's world. Mask of the Phantasm was great (better than "B89" and equal to "Begins" in my opinion), and Return of the Joker was alright. They should bring back the animated crew for more of these.

 

[Zephyr Alexian]

Warner Brothers won't do that now.

 

[Rasputin911]

Warner Brothers won't do that now.

that may be true, but i was just saying what i'd like to see.

 

[hatebox]

Although 'fun' means different things to different people, I'd never use BTAS as an example of that 'fun'. I love it, and it's brilliant, but it has a somber tone that if anything could outweigh TDK.

And as downbeat as TDK's ending was, it made me happy because it affirmed why I love Batman so much and why i think he's the best hero going.

Oh, and I laughed at practically every Joker scene. So yeah, TDK was fun enough for me I guess.

 

[barnface]

I lolled. Hard.

 

[Ibn]

I'm sure that Nolan will do a great job on the third movie, as he has on the past two. Hopefully, its a bit more uplifting than depressing.

Exactly. For all the good action sequences and such, that movie was so depressing I wanted to slit my wrists afterwards. And it didn't need to be.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Although 'fun' means different things to different people, I'd never use BTAS as an example of that 'fun'. I love it, and it's brilliant, but it has a somber tone that if anything could outweigh TDK.

And as downbeat as TDK's ending was, it made me happy because it affirmed why I love Batman so much and why i think he's the best hero going.

Oh, and I laughed at practically every Joker scene. So yeah, TDK was fun enough for me I guess.

Yeah, I was surprised at much "fun" TDK was in comparison to BB. Love that Joker!

 

[[A]]

Joker, fun. Dent, tragedy

 

[bunk]

I think we should be more concerned with how "fun" Superman ends up being the next time around.

 

[[A]]

Why? It's the Dark Knight forum