Will you interpret the next \S/ film as a reboot or prequel?

[Superark]

Sorry guys, I just realized you're low on thinking gas. Later.

 

[lujho]

I bet a godzillion moneys that any new Superman movie that stars Brandon Routh will NOT ignore SR. It'll simply be a sequel, or if it happens to be set before SR (unlikely, though going from first film to prequel to sequel isn't unprecedented I guess, Temple of Doom is set before Raiders) it'll leave room for the events of SR to exist.

For WB to actually do a full-on reboot starring Routh they'd have to be even dumber than they were to let Singer do what he did with SR.

 

[daywalker2007]

Origin or not, Routh will remind people of SR, and if it contradicts the continuity of SR in any way or just ignores it forever, people are going to be confused that it doesn't match up with SR.

Ifthe keep Routh they HAVE to keep SR in some way or another (and possibly retroactively "fix" it's errors). It's just incredibly messy if they don't.

Maybe the next movie could be set after SR, BUT, have flashbacks in it. Teh first flashback could cover the first half-hour and re-cap Lois and Clark's first meeting etc, Jason's conception, and Superman leaving for Krypton.

Then back to the present for a while, then a flashback to what happened at Krypton (great way to use the deleted scene from SR). then back to the present for the rest of the movie, where Superman deals with some threat that's related to krypton, and Jason and Richard are dealt with... Richard probably has to die.

Question: When Jason was concieved, who do you think she slept with? Superman 2 continuity is out (original or Donner version - neither make sense). I always assume that she must has slept with Superman (without knowing he was really Clark) shortly before he left and she met Richard.

But what if she actually slept with Clark? In some moment of vulnerabillity (for both of them), Clark, desperately wanting to reveal his secret and/or say goodbye before leaving, and Lois starting to get a vague sense of actually having some feelings for Clark, have a one night stand or something? maybe Clark saying goodbye to her as Clark about to go on Holiday was the only way he could do it - he couldn't do it as Superman.

It's something you'd have to handle carefully to get it right, but seriously, the huge logic flaw in SR regarding this matter HAS to be dealt with if you keep Routh (and just as I believe that same actor MUST mean same universe, it has be be the same supporting cast too).

If Lois had slept with Clark, Jason pushing the piano would have been the reveal to her that Clark - Superman. That'd be an interesting way to do it.

So SR happens, Clark and Lois's feelings grow stronger, poor Richard buys the farm, leaving the way open for Clark and Lois to get together with their kid. Of course he's not going to just move in like a *****ebag, they wouldn't even get together until the next film, but still.

Honestly this is the only way I can think of doing it that works best - you sever ties to the Reeve films, fix up the continuity errors, and get to subtly re-jig the universe a bit visually without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I still think a complete recast/reboot is the way to go, short of getting in a time machine and preventing Singer from making the mistakes he made on SR, but if we're stuck with SR then this is the best way to go about things.

Again - rebooting competely with Routh is ****ing stupid, inelegant and ugly.

I think some of you lot are taking things way to seriously and in too much detail!

Technically, there is nothing to stop WB from doing a complete reboot and keeping only Routh as Superman, the rest being a completely new cast, and having a brand new origin story.

Its not impossible, nor is it a problem for the general audience.
There are still people today who think The Dark Knight is somehow tied to the previous franchise, yet these make up a small proportion of the overall audience.
The fact is, The Dark Knight raped the box office and even if some small minority was confused, it didn't matter, it made the money and thats all that WB care for.

The same thing with a new Superman movie.
Having a brand new restart in 2012 with Routh in the lead role is not at all impossible or difficult to comprehend.

Superman Returns in 2006 was not a bomb like Batman & Robin, so you can throw that argument out of the water. Superman Returns simply was lukewarm, and people watched it, but it didn't excite them like WB thought it would. Its WB own mistake that they greenlit the Superman Returns script, thinking Superman's name alone would guarentee big bucks, and obviously they discovered this was not true. These days, good action is more or less a prerequisite for any comic book movie. The Dark Knight just totally solidified this fact.

 

[Bad Superman]

Fixed

You've just proved my point.

 

[daywalker2007]

By the time 2012 comes along, I doubt many of the general audiences will even bother to remember Superman Returns, considering most of you lot here say it was boring, and also say that none of the general audience seems to care for that movie!

Indeed, that might be true and so that might help the new 2012 superman movie.



By then, people will have forgotten Superman Returns and will be ready for a full on epic action packed Superman Movie.



Its quite obvious in the new movie, Superman's whole look will be completely different.



You won't see any of the maroonish, dull washed out colors of Superman, and the ill fitting costume.



Instead, WB will most likely made the suit very vibrant, more accurate to the Comic Books, and have Routh bulk up significantly, give him a different hairstyle, and just basically make him look as different as possible from how Bryan Singer made him look.



Sure, we are thinking now, how will they pull that off?

But its definitely possible. Absolutely its possible.



its upto WB to find the team to pull it off.



That is if they really do want to keep Routh. Obviously, we are all jumping to conclusions through a small article, and we have no proof that Routh is even coming back.



People need to take a chill pill and calm down.

We have a full 4 years to wait now, so sit back and enjoy the ride of more crazy mayhem in the Superman movie world!



it took 19 years to superman back on the big screen, im sure we can wait another 4! lol!

 

[bgshw44]

i think a script written like the abrahms one where the movie starts at the end, then flashes back to the beginning to set up the villian is a great way to go.

FYI i am not endorsing the ridiculousness of that script

 

[The Sage]

I'll interpret it as "Why..."

 

[Bad Superman]

i think a script written like the abrahms one where the movie starts at the end, then flashes back to the beginning to set up the villian is a great way to go.

FYI i am not endorsing the ridiculousness of that script

You mean structure wise. I agree, it doesn't have to be a linear story.

 

[myway]

Although I'm definitely part fanboy, I'm still hooked into the real world and I have friends outside of these boards whose opinions I also value and I guarantee that many of the criticisms of SR don't exist outside of these boards. Not enough action? Yes, heard it and it's a fair criticism. SR was too much a retread of S:TM? Yes, heard it and it's a fair criticism. Theses are the reasons why SR didn't do as well as WB expected (although it still beat BB but that's conveniently forgotten). Do I have any friends who feels it's grounds for completely scrapping and rebooting the entire franchise? No. Moreover, his hair length; the tint of red in the suit? Sometimes I can't believe people are for real.

 

[I Am The Knight]

You've just proved my point.

Which is?

 

[lujho]

i think a script written like the abrahms one where the movie starts at the end, then flashes back to the beginning to set up the villian is a great way to go.

FYI i am not endorsing the ridiculousness of that script

Yeah, that's kind of where I got the idea I outlined above about flashing back to the tripto Krypton's ruins - start the movie with him facing Brainiac or something then flash back to how Brainiac hitched a ride back with him.

Doesn't have to be Brainiac either... you COULD imply that Supes had an adventure or two on his journey and the villain could be Mongul or something. Something 4th World related even.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This thread is too soon.

 

[lujho]

This thread is too soon.

True. We honestly have no idea what they have planned, if they've even GOT a concrete course of action yet. In fact Levitz basically said they don't have a concrete plan at least until they know what's going on with Batman.

I hope we don't have to wait til 2012 though. That's ages away. Xmas 2010 would be doable if the got off their arses now.

 

[Timstuff]

Routh is not on board.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Routh is not on board.

Who knows.

 

[Showtime]

He's said it in several threads, so it is true.

 

[Superark]

If Chuck Norris told him I might be inclined to agree

 

[bgshw44]

You mean structure wise. I agree, it doesn't have to be a linear story.

and this is great way to keep routh, it wont be a linear origion like S:TM so it doesnt tread over that, just shows different events, and doesnt tread over SR, as this movie could easily take place before. But you still get to see some "origion stuff" so no one is confused.

A seperate adventure that fits in between SII and SR

 

[Lobo]

He's said it in several threads, so it is true.

 

[Mikelus]

Origin or not, Routh will remind people of SR, and if it contradicts the continuity of SR in any way or just ignores it forever, people are going to be confused that it doesn't match up with SR.

Ifthe keep Routh they HAVE to keep SR in some way or another (and possibly retroactively "fix" it's errors). It's just incredibly messy if they don't.

Maybe the next movie could be set after SR, BUT, have flashbacks in it. Teh first flashback could cover the first half-hour and re-cap Lois and Clark's first meeting etc, Jason's conception, and Superman leaving for Krypton.

Then back to the present for a while, then a flashback to what happened at Krypton (great way to use the deleted scene from SR). then back to the present for the rest of the movie, where Superman deals with some threat that's related to krypton, and Jason and Richard are dealt with... Richard probably has to die.

Question: When Jason was concieved, who do you think she slept with? Superman 2 continuity is out (original or Donner version - neither make sense). I always assume that she must has slept with Superman (without knowing he was really Clark) shortly before he left and she met Richard.

But what if she actually slept with Clark? In some moment of vulnerabillity (for both of them), Clark, desperately wanting to reveal his secret and/or say goodbye before leaving, and Lois starting to get a vague sense of actually having some feelings for Clark, have a one night stand or something? maybe Clark saying goodbye to her as Clark about to go on Holiday was the only way he could do it - he couldn't do it as Superman.

It's something you'd have to handle carefully to get it right, but seriously, the huge logic flaw in SR regarding this matter HAS to be dealt with if you keep Routh (and just as I believe that same actor MUST mean same universe, it has be be the same supporting cast too).

If Lois had slept with Clark, Jason pushing the piano would have been the reveal to her that Clark - Superman. That'd be an interesting way to do it.

So SR happens, Clark and Lois's feelings grow stronger, poor Richard buys the farm, leaving the way open for Clark and Lois to get together with their kid. Of course he's not going to just move in like a *****ebag, they wouldn't even get together until the next film, but still.

Honestly this is the only way I can think of doing it that works best - you sever ties to the Reeve films, fix up the continuity errors, and get to subtly re-jig the universe a bit visually without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I still think a complete recast/reboot is the way to go, short of getting in a time machine and preventing Singer from making the mistakes he made on SR, but if we're stuck with SR then this is the best way to go about things.

Again - rebooting competely with Routh is ****ing stupid, inelegant and ugly.

Well said, is just absurd to keep Routh if they do a reboot, if they keep him, then do the best sequel possible and hope is a huge success. Jason should die (genetic problem or disease), problem solved, then Richard and Lois go separate ways and Clark tells Lois the whole truth. Get Brainiac in there, he could use Lex to his advantage to make it more interesting (Lex alone is not going to cut it), is not that difficult to make a good sequel. But if WB prefers to reboot, then start all fresh, new Superman and cast. Is common sense, but WB doesn't have much of it unfortunately.

 

[lujho]

I'm not sure about killing Jason. I wish he'd never been born, but killing him would leave a cloud of sadness forver on this version of Lois and Clark that I don't think sits well with what Superman should be. There would always be the ghost of a dead little boy hanging around, even when Superman's having a rip-roaring pulp sci-fi adventure.

The phrase "Superman's dead kid" shouldn't be one anyone should ever have to think about. It's not a concept that should exist.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I said it before... I'll say it again... cast an African American Lex Luthor... unless the GA is color blind they can distinguish black and white. Donnerverse gone... and while it does make sense to replace Superman while you are at it... if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Are people gonna think this movie is a prequel to SR and a younger version of Kevin Spacey... ???

 

[batman44]

^That Lex is white also.

 

[FaT_tONle]

He sort of was a mix... I mean people still argue that Harvey Dent was black in Batman: TAS. Despite all that... it's a stark contrast. I think we need that for Lex Luthor in the new Superman film regardless of who plays Superman. If they just cast a younger Gene Hackman/Spacey look alike people will still think its a prequel.

 

[NeoRanger]

Lex is in better position than Superman himself. And it's one of the (few?) things we can thank Smallville for.