"wizard" Ranks The 10 Toughest Superheros In Comics!

[Silicon Surfer]

Colossus also has a durability advantage. One of the curious things about that though is surviving in space. Thor and some of the others with lesser durability can survive unaided in space for a while but Colossus who doesn't even need to breathe cannot. Totally absurd.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor only has lesser durability when idiots or Kurt Busiek write him.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Damn. Now I'm gonna have to pick up that Simonson Thor Visionary TPB. I'm jonesin' for some good Thor.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Thor's durability has not been all that great for much of the last 40 years. He wasn't even bulletproof in many stories. They have gone back and forth on it though. In Secret Wars they said that he was standing in a thunderstorm so intense that the raindrops hit like .44 magnum bullets and the thunder alone would kill an ordinary human. Very inconsistent.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman would just build or borror the ultimate nullifier and kill surfer that way.

Overlooking the obvious problems with Batman even having access to the Ultimate Nullifier, the Ultimate Nullifier nullifies (or negates the existence of) both the target (in this case Surfer) and the weilder (in this case Batman). That's why it has yet to have been used, because it requires the user to sacrifice his own existence in the process. Batman may beat Surfer that way, but Batman would also cease to exist in doing so.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

give spiderman and batman those same powers and abilities and they trample everyone in dc and marvel.

I'd say if Batman or Spider-Man had cosmic awareness and virtually all the powers granted by the power cosmic at their disposal they could beat near everyone, but they don't and Norin Radd does, hence the Silver Surfer being the most powerful and the human and spider-enhanced meta being abscent from the list.

 

[CBG]

Overlooking the obvious problems with Batman even having access to the Ultimate Nullifier, the Ultimate Nullifier nullifies (or negates the existence of) both the target (in this case Surfer) and the weilder (in this case Batman). That's why it has yet to have been used, because it requires the user to sacrifice his own existence in the process. Batman may beat Surfer that way, but Batman would also cease to exist in doing so.

Mr. Fantastic did successfully survive in firing the Ultimate Nullifier in the Abraxas storyline.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's durability has not been all that great for much of the last 40 years. He wasn't even bulletproof in many stories. They have gone back and forth on it though. In Secret Wars they said that he was standing in a thunderstorm so intense that the raindrops hit like .44 magnum bullets and the thunder alone would kill an ordinary human. Very inconsistent.

Anything to do with thunderstorms doesn't really say anything about Thor's durability. He's always been immune to the effects of a storm.

The idea that he's not bulletproof is ******ed. He's flown through stars and taken punches from the likes of Mangog. If his skin is tough enough to survive such intense force, the idea that it wouldn't stand up to a bullet just doesn't make sense.

 

[The Question]

I thought we were talking individuals not cosmic entities, but then since all beings in the MU and DCU have souls and either go to a "heaven" or "hell" one could say they're actually immortal and no one ever truely dies in either place.

That's really not true. In both Marvel and DC, there are millions of afterlives, including taurtarus, valhalla, Nirvana, and so on. Not simply Haven and Hell. And in DC, people also become "dormant," akind to ceasing to exist after death, if they do not wish to have or do not believe in an afterlife.

 

[Sloth7d]

^Agreed. Didn't he also survive point blank nuculear blast before aswell.

 

[CBG]

Anything to do with thunderstorms doesn't really say anything about Thor's durability. He's always been immune to the effects of a storm.

The idea that he's not bulletproof is ******ed. He's flown through stars and taken punches from the likes of Mangog. If his skin is tough enough to survive such intense force, the idea that it wouldn't stand up to a bullet just doesn't make sense.

Well, it could be the case that he's blunt proof, like Wonder Woman.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

"Blunt proof"?

^Agreed. Didn't he also survive point blank nuculear blast before aswell.

That was when he had the Odinforce, which made him stronger and tougher than he was before. I don't know if he could survive a nuke without the Odinforce. It makes sense that he could, but it's kind of a big leap to make.

 

[CBG]

"Blunt proof"?

Wonder Woman is susceptible to things like bullets. Lot of force distributed over a small surface.

Perhaps someone else can explain in-depth with regards to her "blunt-proof" durability.

 

[Sloth7d]

I know what you're saying. Though it makes no sense since if that be the case an explosion should be able to kill WonderWoman from shratnel damage, but we've seen that not to be the case in the past. I personally have always reguarded her as invulnerable period because of that and she only blocks bullets to test her reflexes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The fact that she could survive against Superman in "Sacrifice" points to full-on invulnerability, too. I don't see how a fist moving just shy of light speed packs any less force than a bullet traveling a couple times the speed of sound.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Yeah, I don't see how a fist moving just shy of light speed packs any less force than a bullet traveling a couple times the speed of sound.

It is extremely inconsistent. Not to even mention her blocking lasers beams and such using her bracelets.

I just don't get her. She originally could not fly and was vulenrable. Now she seems to be supergirl bis except only with some more powers.

 

[Sloth7d]

The fact that she could survive against Superman in "Sacrifice" points to full-on invulnerability, too. I don't see how a fist moving just shy of light speed packs any less force than a bullet traveling a couple times the speed of sound.

Bullets travel at sound speed?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Some multiple of it, depending on the caliber, the weapon it's shot from, how long it's been traveling before it hits the target, and a bunch of other variables. The speed of sound at sea level is 344 m/s. Bullets travel anywhere from about 200 m/s to 1500 m/s. Some probably travel faster.

None gets anywhere near light speed, though, so my example stands. The force of an object with a tiny surface area traveling a few times the speed of sound should be similar to the force of an object with a larger surface area (like a fist) traveling at nearly light speed. If Wonder Woman and Thor can withstand the latter, why not the former?

 

[PhotoJones]

Ah, physics...

 

[Nasty-B]

Where is the Mistress now?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure she'll be along to correct me until I'm a sobbing heap in the corner.

 

[ImrtlLimpWrist]

In 'Trinity' you see Wonder Woman's bracelets "glow" when there is an explosion. The best way to present WW is to say the magic of the bracelets absorb anything potentially harmful but for major blasts like Darkseid in the Superman-Batman 'New Girl in Town' run, she must have the bracelets directly absorb the impact. I prefer the powered-down WW, unable to fly and less Supergirl-ish.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Unable to fly? What kind of ***** DC hero can't fly? Everyone can fly in the DC universe.

 

[CBG]

Unable to fly? What kind of ***** DC hero can't fly? Everyone can fly in the DC universe.

. . . Batman?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He flies by hurling Superman through the air and grabbing his cape.