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So underwhelming. Technically well done for the most part, but I found it hard to care for any of the main characters, with the exception of maybe Inspector Aberline

I agree, and I think a big part of that was the fact that all of the actors pretty much just phoned it in with the exception of Weaving. Hopkins, Del Toro, and Blunt all seemed to have been doing this for little more than the paycheck and put no real passion into their roles. It was amazing to see such poor performances from such a great group of actors. Del Toro was so dry its not even funny. Its like he was just reading his lines off of the cue cards. Meanwhile, Hopkins seemed to have no clue what to do with the cheesey, cliched, villain role so he just went as far over the top as he could. Blunt just didn't have anything to work with. The only one who seemed to make his role his own was Weaving and it made it easy to attach to his character. :up:

I saw it today. I liked it better when it was Ang Lee's Hulk.

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That angle would have been better. I was thinking along the same lines as well.
 
I saw it today. I liked it better when it was Ang Lee's Hulk.

I wanted to like it and I do think Del Toro looked like Lon in and out of makeup. The cinematography was great; the movie looked awesome most of the time. But yeah, they made terrible story choices, all the actors except Blunt and Weaving mailed it in, although I think Del Toro was trying to copy Chaney's performance and just didn't quite get there. I just hope it does well enough for more gothic horror movies to get made.
 
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I agree, and I think a big part of that was the fact that all of the actors pretty much just phoned it in with the exception of Weaving. Hopkins, Del Toro, and Blunt all seemed to have been doing this for little more than the paycheck and put no real passion into their roles. It was amazing to see such poor performances from such a great group of actors. Del Toro was so dry its not even funny. Its like he was just reading his lines off of the cue cards. Meanwhile, Hopkins seemed to have no clue what to do with the cheesey, cliched, villain role so he just went as far over the top as he could. Blunt just didn't have anything to work with. The only one who seemed to make his role his own was Weaving and it made it easy to attach to his character. :up:



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have to disagree about Del Toro. this flick was his baby. he brought the idea for the studio and acted as a producer on the film. the original wolf man is one of his favorite films and he was a driving force in getting this new movie made.
 
have to disagree about Del Toro. this flick was his baby. he brought the idea for the studio and acted as a producer on the film. the original wolf man is one of his favorite films and he was a driving force in getting this new movie made.

No doubt he cared. I just don't think his Lon Chaney Jr impression quite worked. He never got across the deep sadness that Lon did.
 
I wanted to like it and I do think Del Toro looked like Lon in and out of makeup. The cinematography was great; the movie looked awesome most of the time. But yeah, they made terrible story choices, all the actors except Blunt and Weaving mailed it in, although I think Del Toro was trying to copy Cheney's performance and just didn't quite get there. I just hope it does well enough for more gothic horror movies to get made.

I too wanted to like it. I love the old Universal horror flicks. Though The Creature from the Black Lagoon is my favorite, Wolfman is a close second. I just don't get why they made the choices they did. The original's story and all the tragic elements of it still make a great story today. A visual upgrade would've been amazing. And Johnston nailed the visual aspect as well. By the time you establish the plot and characters you have the perfect set up for a great horror movie. Great effects, a classic monster, creepy visuals and atmosphere, and well developed characters. But then, about 30 minutes in, out of no where it just changes gears and tries to be an action movie and pretty much lifts the plot from Ang Lee's Hulk.

It only once capitalizes on the great set up, and that's during the asylum montage which is really well done...And I can't help but feel this movie should have been. Psychological horror. Is Larry really a wolf? Is it in his head and he's just a crazy murderer? I feel like that should've been a consistent theme for the first 2/3s of the movie. Instead we are presented to Oedipus complex Larry. Just odd choices in script.

have to disagree about Del Toro. this flick was his baby. he brought the idea for the studio and acted as a producer on the film. the original wolf man is one of his favorite films and he was a driving force in getting this new movie made.

Really? In that case I find it odd that he showed such little passion.
 
No doubt he cared. I just don't think his Lon Chaney Jr impression quite worked. He never got across the deep sadness that Lon did.

I tought Benicio was very soulful... but that deep sadness was propably cut, like many other character defining moments.

I curse Universal, or whoever is responsable for the theatrical cut, because they cut it too much.
 
The problem is they Had Hopkins become evil so fast. there was no lead up or reason he goes from father to crazed lunatic.
Seems like took a lot out of his character for they set up for him to become evil.
 
The problem is they Had Hopkins become evil so fast. there was no lead up or reason he goes from father to crazed lunatic.
Seems like took a lot out of his character for they set up for him to become evil.
I agree. It was like he was a bizarre, but protective father when he scares away the villagers with his shotgun and then he's all of a sudden an *******. I hope they are truly releasing a directors cut.
 
I too wanted to like it. I love the old Universal horror flicks. Though The Creature from the Black Lagoon is my favorite, Wolfman is a close second. I just don't get why they made the choices they did. The original's story and all the tragic elements of it still make a great story today. A visual upgrade would've been amazing. And Johnston nailed the visual aspect as well. By the time you establish the plot and characters you have the perfect set up for a great horror movie. Great effects, a classic monster, creepy visuals and atmosphere, and well developed characters. But then, about 30 minutes in, out of no where it just changes gears and tries to be an action movie and pretty much lifts the plot from Ang Lee's Hulk.

It only once capitalizes on the great set up, and that's during the asylum montage which is really well done...And I can't help but feel this movie should have been. Psychological horror. Is Larry really a wolf? Is it in his head and he's just a crazy murderer? I feel like that should've been a consistent theme for the first 2/3s of the movie. Instead we are presented to Oedipus complex Larry. Just odd choices in script.

A Val Lewton type take on the Wolf Man? Woulda been great.
 
I too wanted to like it. I love the old Universal horror flicks. Though The Creature from the Black Lagoon is my favorite, Wolfman is a close second. I just don't get why they made the choices they did. The original's story and all the tragic elements of it still make a great story today. A visual upgrade would've been amazing. And Johnston nailed the visual aspect as well. By the time you establish the plot and characters you have the perfect set up for a great horror movie. Great effects, a classic monster, creepy visuals and atmosphere, and well developed characters. But then, about 30 minutes in, out of no where it just changes gears and tries to be an action movie and pretty much lifts the plot from Ang Lee's Hulk.

It only once capitalizes on the great set up, and that's during the asylum montage which is really well done...And I can't help but feel this movie should have been. Psychological horror. Is Larry really a wolf? Is it in his head and he's just a crazy murderer? I feel like that should've been a consistent theme for the first 2/3s of the movie. Instead we are presented to Oedipus complex Larry. Just odd choices in script.

I couldn't agree more!!
 
I give it a solid 8. Hopefully we get more werewolf movies in the future; I'm so over vampires(thanks Twilight).
 
funnily enough that was the approach Curt Siodmak took in his first draft of the 1941 Wolf Man

Yeah, then the studio made him insert the actual creature into the film, not unlike how Lewton and Tourneur were made to insert the black panther shot into Cat People.
 
I too wanted to like it. I love the old Universal horror flicks. Though The Creature from the Black Lagoon is my favorite, Wolfman is a close second. I just don't get why they made the choices they did. The original's story and all the tragic elements of it still make a great story today. A visual upgrade would've been amazing. And Johnston nailed the visual aspect as well.

I agree. The Wolf Man is my absolute favorite of the Universal horrors. Though not the most polished or clever, it was just a really good story that was told very well by a superb cast and, for the day, amazing make-up effects. I love Dracula, I love Whale's Frankensteins (especially Bride), but Wolfie takes the taco. And why they couldn't just expand and broaden the original story, which works amazingly well, is somewhat unknown.

I understand that it was Andrew Kevin Walker's idea to bring in big pappa werewolf and turn it Oedipal. Apparently Benicio, who got the ball rolling on this film because he admires Chaney so much went with it. My guess is he felt they needed a twist to make it fresh and Walker completely reworked (or some would say bastardized) the Sleepy Hollow tale and that movie turned out awesome. The trick though is that movie was in the hands of Tim Burton who took an average script and made it something supremely entertaining. Even if the studio had given him more pre-production prep time and not cut out 17 minutes of character development, I still think we can agree Joe Johnston was never going to deliver something as visionary as Tim Burton.


By the time you establish the plot and characters you have the perfect set up for a great horror movie. Great effects, a classic monster, creepy visuals and atmosphere, and well developed characters. But then, about 30 minutes in, out of no where it just changes gears and tries to be an action movie and pretty much lifts the plot from Ang Lee's Hulk.

Huh. I had the opposite reaction. I thought the set-up in the first 30-45 minutes was rushed. I think that is the bulk of where the studio re-edited it. It feels very bare bones and breathless. I thought the movie needed a gradual pace. Not counting the Oedipal stuff, I think the movie finds its rhythm after he first transforms as those sequences (the woods attack of the hunters and the rampage through London) are easily the highlights of the film.

As for Ang Lee's Hulk. Nice. I def. see it. But I have to say, while Lee made a more emotionally mature film and as lame as Sir John turning into a werewolf was, it was still better than giant Hulk Poodles or the Giant Bubble Daddy at the end of Hulk. I think I cringed a bit when Sir John was a werewolf. I burst out laughing at the end of Ang Lee's Hulk when it became jolly green giant vs. the bubble.


It only once capitalizes on the great set up, and that's during the asylum montage which is really well done...And I can't help but feel this movie should have been. Psychological horror. Is Larry really a wolf? Is it in his head and he's just a crazy murderer? I feel like that should've been a consistent theme for the first 2/3s of the movie. Instead we are presented to Oedipus complex Larry. Just odd choices in script.

You see I'm going to have to disagree here. Not on the first point, I agree the movie is its strongest in the asylum sequence. From the first shot of Lawrence strapped to that torture device (waterboarding reference?) to the Wolfman escaping Weaving after the bloodbath was pure gothic horror bliss and worthy of the ticket price.

But turning it into a psychological horror where you're not sure if Lawrence is a werewolf or a nutjob a la Val Lewton's Cat People, I strongly oppose. I know that was how Sodimak originally wrote it in 1940 or '41, but the legacy and icongraphy of the Wolfman is that it is about a poor bastard who turns into...well a wolfman. I'm all for some psychological horror of "Is this real or not" and expect that from Scorsese's adaptation of the Shutter Island Lehane book that dealt with this next week. If you're adapting The Wolf Man though, I want a super cool looking monster wreaking havoc. This film strayed enough from the original's plot, this would be tinkering with the core conept. Longer scenes in the nuthouse on the DVD? Yes. Val Lewton's Wolf Person? Not a fan.


Really? In that case I find it odd that he showed such little passion.

I think it may have had more to do with editing or direction. He wanted to be Chaney and was off the mark. Either a lot of his performance is on the cutting room floor (possible) or Johnston didn't know how to reign him in for a more charismatic turn.
 
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I really enjoyed the movie but there was little to no character development

a) del toro
he seems a man of the world possibly a skeptic so when he is going through a mystical change how does that make him feel?
his father true nature is revealed how does that make him feel?

b) blunt
she was engaged to del toro's brother now she is having feeling for del toro, how does that make her feel? is she guilty? is she lonely?

c) hopkins
his son is reveled as the warewolf, how does that make him feel? fearful? angry?

d) weaving
aberline failed to catch the ripper, how does that make him feel? how does chasing a mythical creature sit with a man of the law?

the motivations of al the characters are virtually non existantant leaving the audience to guess the inner struggle of all the main actors. a good movie but with more character depth would have made it a great movie.
 
I think its obvious everyone seems to have the same problems with the movie, I'm just hoping the 17 mins being inserted back into the movie for DVD/BD make the difference from an okay movie to a good one.

17 mins is a lot for a movie these days.
 
Saw the movie on Friday. Really wasn't that bad. Most of the plot and VERY weak character development took a backseat to the cool action scenes, but other than that it was fun for what it was, especially considering all the behind-the-scenes problems that were going about.

My score: 7/10.
 
I think its obvious everyone seems to have the same problems with the movie, I'm just hoping the 17 mins being inserted back into the movie for DVD/BD make the difference from an okay movie to a good one.

17 mins is a lot for a movie these days.


here's hoping the 17 minutes is used to flesh out the characters rather than adding more gore and effects.
 
Johnson said specifically the 17 minutes were of the buildup and character development. No extra grue or sex.
 
Johnson said specifically the 17 minutes were of the buildup and character development. No extra grue or sex.

i want the masquerade ball sequence re-inserted. Johnston himself said they shot and edited it in its entirety, and we've seen it in all the trailers.
 
Saw this on Valentine's Day. Pretty good movie... I agree that it was a little light on character development at times but I do think that the performances all around were very solid. I haven't seen the original since I was a kid so I won't compare this film to that one, but I thought that Del Toro and Blunt were great; I really felt sympathetic for both of them. My only complaint there was that their relationship felt a bit rushed, but I'm guessing that has something to do with those 17 excised minutes. Weaving really made the most out of a small part. I love the way that guy delivers dialogue. And I have to say that I enjoyed Hopkins a lot more than I thought I would. My problem with Sir Anthony is that, typically, whenever he plays villain these days, he's usually just Hannibal Lecter-Lite (see Fracture for details). However, here, he came off like a vicious, sick bastard. And while it might still cut a little too close to Lecter, at least it wasn't a watered down version of that character... rather, an equally evil monster.

Overall the movie looked great, which is very important and I don't think people are giving it enough credit for the superb atmosphere. My only major complaint was that it was just too predictable. Even if you couldn't tell from the previews that Sir John was a bad guy, it's abundantly clear from the first half hour of the film. Even the dreadfully mediocre "Wolf" with Jack Nicholson had a more clever twist than that. But overall, I enjoyed it and it's a tragedy that it got leveled this weekend by a piece of crap like Valentine's Day.
 
But overall, I enjoyed it and it's a tragedy that it got leveled this weekend by a piece of crap like Valentine's Day.

Ah, I think $35 million for an opening weekend is pretty good for an R-rated monster movie. If the studio had postponed the release, because it sure as crap didn't make its 2008...or 2009 release(s), and let Johnston prep his own film they would have saved a fortune in six weeks of reshoots, at least two re-edits and been confident enough not to blow money on CGI or an ultimately unused second musical score.

Universal claims that the movie cost $110 million to make. Don't let this opening discourage from making more classic horror movies. Just try to keep the budget under $100 million next time. If this movie cost around $80-$90 million, the studio would be high-fiving themselves right now.
 
I really enjoyed the movie but there was little to no character development

a) del toro
he seems a man of the world possibly a skeptic so when he is going through a mystical change how does that make him feel?
his father true nature is revealed how does that make him feel?

b) blunt
she was engaged to del toro's brother now she is having feeling for del toro, how does that make her feel? is she guilty? is she lonely?

c) hopkins
his son is reveled as the warewolf, how does that make him feel? fearful? angry?

d) weaving
aberline failed to catch the ripper, how does that make him feel? how does chasing a mythical creature sit with a man of the law?

the motivations of al the characters are virtually non existantant leaving the audience to guess the inner struggle of all the main actors. a good movie but with more character depth would have made it a great movie.

I'd just say that I imagine that a good bit of Del Toro's angst is on the cutting room floor. But I think that he and Johnston were a bit off mark in the scenes that are in the movie. But I would just add that I think we got a very clear unleash of his emotions about how he felt when he learned his father really did kill his mother and brother. No complaints there. I'd also say while the script leaves something to be desired for Abberline, that Hugo Weaving gave the character a very subtle transition. He went from skeptic to true believer in a very satisfying way without any real dialogue to aid him. That was a remarkable supporting performance with the final moment being hte icing on the cake.
 
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