Wolverine #43 - Wolveirne VS Nitro: part 1

[Varient]

On topic:
I hate what happened to new warriors,.. what a waste of resources. They been getting doinked since their first comic run ended.

1. Namorita was physically tougher than Captain Marvel,... She should've survived this,... blown into the next county,.. but survived.

2. Shield, Night Thrasher, Wolverine,.. all out of character.

3. Why is WOLverine the ONLY Mainline hero interested in catching Nitro?

I don't wanna argue,.. I'm venting.

 

[foxx5]

3. Why is WOLverine the ONLY Mainline hero interested in catching Nitro?

because Wolverine deep down really cares alot about people and Nitro killed alot of Children and a few mutants. Wolverine has a heart for those who died and has the guts to take on Nitro. Plus the other main character are to wrapped up in what they are doing.

 

[Tropico]

On topic:
3. Why is WOLverine the ONLY Mainline hero interested in catching Nitro?

Because he's the only hero that can be in 5 places at the same time.up:

 

[foxx5]

Because he's the only hero that can be in 5 places at the same time.up:

He is the only character that can be in five places at once because the fans support it and Mavel set him up with his own private jet, for all the money he makes them.$$$$$$

 

[Tropico]

 

[Horrorfan]

He's right.

When a character gets uber popular, it becomes the 'cool' thing to hate him, for no other reason that it gets cool to do so. Thats what's happened to wolverine. But thankfully, there are WAY more people who seem to like him than hate him (why do you think he is pretty much one of the only characters in the X Men to get his own movie spin off? )


Back on topic though...that's why I love Wolverine and Punisher and characters like them. They want to actually punish those who do evil, not pass the buck or let them off with a stern warning. They take me back to the days when people had balls.

Like DaVinci said (I believe) 'Those who do not punish evil command it to be done.'

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's right.

When a character gets uber popular, it becomes the 'cool' thing to hate him, for no other reason that it gets cool to do so.

People have articulated the specific reasons why they're unhappy with Wolverine's current portrayal on several other threads. I'm sure some people hate Wolverine just for the sake of hating him, just as everyone hates some characters simply because they've rubbed them the wrong way once or they don't like their costumes or whatever, but I'm inclined to believe they're the exception rather than the rule. I don't think people are really that dumb.

 

[Tropico]

He's right.

When a character gets uber popular, it becomes the 'cool' thing to hate him, for no other reason that it gets cool to do so. Thats what's happened to wolverine. But thankfully, there are WAY more people who seem to like him than hate him (why do you think he is pretty much one of the only characters in the X Men to get his own movie spin off? )


Back on topic though...that's why I love Wolverine and Punisher and characters like them. They want to actually punish those who do evil, not pass the buck or let them off with a stern warning. They take me back to the days when people had balls.

Like DaVinci said (I believe) 'Those who do not punish evil command it to be done.'

I assume you're agreeing with Foxx and not me although you're quoting my post. I don't hate Wolverine, he can be a cool character even though they try to make him everything (no one has every personality in them). My post wasn't directed at Wolverine it was mostly at Foxx's immediate defense of the character even though my previous post was done in jest.

I didn't take Foxx's post about why Wolverine is the one going after Nitro seriously either because there are dozens of other characters that fit the same bill. I just didn't want to argue about it. Wolverine and Punisher's "coolness factor" at killing people who "deserve it" is one of the things that has been on the govt. AND heroes' mind. Very few of them consider it cool that they do what they do. But that's neither here nor there since what matters, like mentioned before, is what the fans like and how much $$$ it makes.

 

[Horrorfan]

I assume you're agreeing with Foxx and not me although you're quoting my post. I don't hate Wolverine, he can be a cool character even though they try to make him everything (no one has every personality in them). My post wasn't directed at Wolverine it was mostly at Foxx's immediate defense of the character even though my previous post was done in jest.

I didn't take Foxx's post about why Wolverine is the one going after Nitro seriously either because there are dozens of other characters that fit the same bill. I just didn't want to argue about it. Wolverine and Punisher's "coolness factor" at killing people who "deserve it" is one of the things that has been on the govt. AND heroes' mind. Very few of them consider it cool that they do what they do. But that's neither here nor there since what matters, like mentioned before, is what the fans like and how much $$$ it makes.

In that case I owe you an apology...yet still, people are quick to damn wolverine, so why can't he be allowed to be quick to defend him? You can never tell when someone's joking around here...


What I meant about the Punisher and Wolverine is they do it 'old school'- they know how the world works, and how 98% of criminals pprobably are beyond redemption (or at least the ones they deal with). The other heroes just don't have the balls to do what needs ot be done- I admire that they won't murder in a way, but in another, if they had finished off a lot of main villains, a lot less people would probably be dead, whereas I doubt Ma Nucci is gonna be bothering anyone again.

 

[Tropico]

In that case I owe you an apology...yet still, people are quick to damn wolverine, so why can't he be allowed to be quick to defend him? You can never tell when someone's joking around here...

He's allowed to do whatever he wants (within the site rules, of course!). I'm allowed to sometimes be annoyed by it, too! He doesn't post a counter against every post that seems to be putting Wolvie down, ALMOST all, but not all!

What I meant about the Punisher and Wolverine is they do it 'old school'- they know how the world works, and how 98% of criminals pprobably are beyond redemption (or at least the ones they deal with). The other heroes just don't have the balls to do what needs ot be done- I admire that they won't murder in a way, but in another, if they had finished off a lot of main villains, a lot less people would probably be dead, whereas I doubt Ma Nucci is gonna be bothering anyone again.

I'll just post my view on this and if you want to reply, fine. This is one of those moral discussions that can go on forever and is really up to each individual to decide. We have no way of knowing if killing those people won't exarcebate the situation and making villains more on the edge instead of stopping them. The "it takes balls to go all the way" argument is one I've always been vehemently opposed to. To me, it takes MORE balls to let the system do it's work and hold yourself back if someone you love has being killed or wronged. It takes even more balls to see the system fail and justice not be done and NOT take justice in your hands. I feel that NOBODY has a right to take my life, so why the hell would I feel I have the right to take anyone else's? Comics are great for escapism, but they don't work for me in the real world.

 

[Horrorfan]

Like you said, you're entitled to your views, and I respect that...at least you dont try and say its the victims fault like some people have said around here. We probably won't change anyones mind here, but I still think that if I had to choose betwen say the current system dealing with someone who hurt me or someone like the Punisher, I would choose the Punisher every time. But I respect your POV and kinda see where you're coming from.

 

[Darthphere]

The problem with The Punisher is you have one guy, who in all shapes and forms is not in the right state of mind acting as judge,jury, and executioner. Who is he to decide if someone deserves life or death? Most of the people he kills are evil men, but hes known to kill innocents to get to these evil men.

 

[Not Jake]

Thats fine. Its common knowledge that when you resort to insults youve lost the argument.

does this mean I have to quit posting here because I operate on the premise that I am always right, and that I must insult 90% of people 100% of the time

 

[Darthphere]

does this mean I have to quit posting here because I operate on the premise that I am always right, and that I must insult 90% of people 100% of the time

No. Thats who you are. When Jake makes a post......

 

[foxx5]

He's(foxx5) allowed to do whatever he wants (within the site rules, of course!). I'm allowed to sometimes be annoyed by it, too! He doesn't post a counter against every post that seems to be putting Wolvie down, ALMOST all, but not all!

I missed some? oh well cant get them all

thanks horrorfan for the assistance, you're all right tropico

 

[Tropico]

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[Horrorfan]

The problem with The Punisher is you have one guy, who in all shapes and forms is not in the right state of mind acting as judge,jury, and executioner. Who is he to decide if someone deserves life or death? Most of the people he kills are evil men, but hes known to kill innocents to get to these evil men.

Er Punisher has NEVER killed an innocent to get to these men.If you can, tell me when he has killed an innocent.You yourself just said the people he kills are evil, so there you go. Its pretty easy to determine whats an evil deed, anyone with a brain cell could do that.He's not actually crazy like people assume. In fact, he probably has the most crystal clear of all the heroes. He doesn't bull**** around. He knows whats right, and he knows whats wrong, and he punishes wrong doers in ways most people in society wish they could but don't have the balls to.He snapped and decided not to take it anymore. That doesnt make him crazy, it means he is driven. I respect him for not putting up with Bull****.He's not a hypocrite like DD. He does'nt preach about the law while in breach of it.

 

[Tropico]

He snapped but isn't crazy?

 

[Darthphere]

He snapped but isn't crazy?

Contradiciton of the week. Fact is, Frank Castle is not in the right state of mind to be making life altering decisions.

 

[Horrorfan]

Contradiciton of the week. Fact is, Frank Castle is not in the right state of mind to be making life altering decisions.

How so? Because he know's what's right and what isn't?

In that case, I'm pretty ****in looney too lol.

Snapping and being crazy aren't the same imo. Snapping is when you are pushed to a point where you won't take any **** any more (ie if someone belittles you for years and you bite your tongue, yet one day just totally give it back as good as you got in a strong manner). Crazy is like the Joker. Completely different, though I can see how you would mistake them.

 

[Kool-Aid]

Dude, anyone whos ever read a Punisher appearance let alone a comic knows that mother****ers crazy. lol

 

[Darthphere]

How so? Because he know's what's right and what isn't?

In that case, I'm pretty ****in looney too lol.

Snapping and being crazy aren't the same imo. Snapping is when you are pushed to a point where you won't take any **** any more (ie if someone belittles you for years and you bite your tongue, yet one day just totally give it back as good as you got in a strong manner). Crazy is like the Joker. Completely different, though I can see how you would mistake them.

Im not mistaking anything. The funny thing is Frank himself has said that his "war" has little to no effect to making the world any safer. Hes very pessimistic about his own operations. Yet, you just see him as a guy who kills bad guys and doesnt put up with ****. When hes a lot more complex than that.

 

[Horrorfan]

Im not mistaking anything. The funny thing is Frank himself has said that his "war" has little to no effect to making the world any safer. Hes very pessimistic about his own operations. Yet, you just see him as a guy who kills bad guys and doesnt put up with ****. When hes a lot more complex than that.

No I know that....he's said it to blade in MTU. He just does it because it's his own personal war. He's very single minded. But he would never, ever kill a civillian. He offed a bunch of wannabe vigilantes for killing civvies.

 

[Darthphere]

No I know that....he's said it to blade in MTU. He just does it because it's his own personal war. He's very single minded. But he would never, ever kill a civillian. He offed a bunch of wannabe vigilantes for killing civvies.

Yeha, but he has no problem mowing down some sewer level drug dealer.

 

[Horrorfan]

Yeha, but he has no problem mowing down some sewer level drug dealer.

Drug Dealers are parasites. Period.