Wolverine sucks

[freemadison]

I have a friend who's a hardcore wolverine fan.

He's also thinks that Kobe Bryant can do no wrong:

Friend: Kobe can beat anyone!
Me: What about Jordan?
Friend: Jordan wishes he was like Kobe. He's been ripping him off his whole career.

?!?!?

 

[unstoppable]

what i believe is he's not a bad character
it's just they need to give back his fighting skills and agility and tone down the healin' factor

 

[foxx5]

lets turn this into another Wolverine bashing thread, lord knows we need more of these. Come on guys, get over your bitterness about Wolverine's popularity and he became popular because of his character, not because Marvel ****es him out, they ****e him out because he is popular.

unstoppable, you have a good point, thank you

 

[gambitfire]

Wolverine was overrated before he was overexposed!!

 

[Mr. Green]

Hey Sloth, how is that Ultimate Alliance game anyway? Is it turn based? Isn't the story like half Ultimate Universe and half 616 Universe or something. There's 616 Galactus and SS but an Ultiamate Thor. What's that about?

They should have put Hulk in it, but Thor's pretty cool.

As for Wolverine, he's alright but nothing like your friends think he is.

 

[SouLeSS]

I don't know. Wolverine as a character has some really cool concepts.

The fact that he has no memory, or that no one knows how old he really is including himself. That he has adam. all over his body, and that he can't really seem to die makes for quite a unique character.

Ya know, until they went ahead and changed all that...

 

[gambitfire]

I don't know. Wolverine as a character has some really cool concepts.

The fact that he has no memory, or that no one knows how old he really is including himself. That he has adam. all over his body, and that he can't really seem to die makes for quite a unique character.

Ya know, until they went ahead and changed all that...

he has no memory which means any writer can pull anything out of there butt which will make him more tragic and a better fighter and OMG he really suffered.........i dunno how to explain it but it's like an open canvas especially with his healing powers, now while a huge canvas seem like a good idea, too me it just seem stupid. This way if any background story is done they can go back and do damage control for it.

The fact that he has adamantium makes him cool but his healing factor makes it soo much more un interesting, in other words he can't die so where is the fun in that. I mean i know most comic book hereos don't die anyways but there is still a suspense to alot of them but with Logan it's like well what's the point.

So in a battle it's pointless he can keep fighting and fighting where the hell is the fun in that if you know he can't be defeated. I have always hated character's who are A) unrelatable B) have a God Complex (Deux Ex Machinas character) C) Too good for their own good.

But that's just me.

 

[KingOfDreams]

I don't think Wolverine sucks but damn, saying Spider-Man sucks is unforgivable.

 

[gambitfire]

^ Seriously



Edit- you know what it is Wolverine lately has been potrayed as very arrogant and that too enoys the crap out of me.

Like when he was in Atlantis UNDER F*ING WATER and still gave bad lip to Namor and got away with it.

And then he made EMMA Get all upset to the point where Scott had to hold her back, i havn't even seen her do that too Storm and those 2 know how to exchange words. But why did they make her do it Oh because it's WOlverine

 

[Duker Jay]

he has no memory which means any writer can pull anything out of there butt which will make him more tragic and a better fighter and OMG he really suffered.........i dunno how to explain it but it's like an open canvas especially with his healing powers, now while a huge canvas seem like a good idea, too me it just seem stupid. This way if any background story is done they can go back and do damage control for it.

The fact that he has adamantium makes him cool but his healing factor makes it soo much more un interesting, in other words he can't die so where is the fun in that. I mean i know most comic book hereos don't die anyways but there is still a suspense to alot of them but with Logan it's like well what's the point.

So in a battle it's pointless he can keep fighting and fighting where the hell is the fun in that if you know he can't be defeated. I have always hated character's who are A) unrelatable B) have a God Complex (Deux Ex Machinas character) C) Too good for their own good.

But that's just me.

Wolverine could technically die, couldn't he? Plus he can be beaten up pretty good.

Saying Wolverine is boring because he's unstoppable is like saying Superman's boring because he's unst...wait...nevermind.

 

[Zeu]

On Spiderman and Cap tho I heavily disagree, with Spiderman I do think Wolverine takes him 6 outta 10 times,

No, man, just NO.

Spiderman does NOT lose to Wolverine 6 times out of 10.

Wolverine will be VERY lucky if he manages to know what happened once Spider-Man is done with him.

Spider-man has Wolverine beat on so many categories it´s not even funny.

Wolverine has peak human strenght?
Spiderman can lift a BUS!

Wolverine is fast?
Spider-Man casually dodges hails of gunfire.

Wolverine has claws?
Spider-man has a quasi-unbreakable web that can clog his mouth, nose, eyes and ears, rendering him suffocated, blind and deaf.
A web that can lock his arms so he can´t slice anything.
A web that can be used from hundreds of feet away.
Because...

Wolverine may have a 2 feet long reach.
But Spider-man has the ability to attack from half a city block away!

Spider-man has his sense to predict when the claws are coming, the agility and the speed to run rings around Wolverine, the strenght to easily subdue him and the web to immobilise or suffocate him.

There is absolutelly NOTHING Wolverine can do to pull a win against Spider-man, he is completelly outclassed and his healing factor only means that Spider-Man will be able to use his powers at full blast, punching withouit holding back.

 

[bkhedr]

Excellent post Zeu!

 

[kytrigger]

I think the thread should have been titled, "Wolverine sucks....just because."

Don't lie, you just want to see sexy drawing of Wolverine...t:

 

[Orko Is King]

He's cool when properly used.

 

[Fading]

No, man, just NO.

Spiderman does NOT lose to Wolverine 6 times out of 10.

Wolverine will be VERY lucky if he manages to know what happened once Spider-Man is done with him.

Spider-man has Wolverine beat on so many categories it´s not even funny.

Wolverine has peak human strenght?
Spiderman can lift a BUS!

Actually Believe he has meta-human strength, but basically it's barely more than Peak, ya Spidey has him beat in strength.

Wolverine is fast?
Spider-Man casually dodges hails of gunfire.

Agreed Spidey has him beat on speed, but has commented on Wolverine's speed before, and Wolverine has tagged speedsters before faster than Spidey, and dodged gunfire on occasion. His Speed is also metahuman, slightly above peak.

Wolverine has claws?
Spider-man has a quasi-unbreakable web that can clog his mouth, nose, eyes and ears, rendering him suffocated, blind and deaf.
A web that can lock his arms so he can´t slice anything.
A web that can be used from hundreds of feet away.
Because...

Wolverine may have a 2 feet long reach.
But Spider-man has the ability to attack from half a city block away!

And Wolverine has unbreakable bones that technically Spiderman's hand should turn into a soft putty everytime he punches WOlverine, but we'll go with suspension of belief here. Wolverine broke free of Venom's much stronger webbing before, actually cannon, so not seeing the point here.

Spider-man has his sense to predict when the claws are coming, the agility and the speed to run rings around Wolverine, the strenght to easily subdue him and the web to immobilise or suffocate him.

True, but as I stated above Wolverine's tagged ppl far far faster than Spiderman before. Plus Wolverine has very heightened senses, meaning he could possibly hear Spiderman's heart beating, smell his sweat, hear the straining of his arm when he goes to throw a punch. He can physically see Spiderman better than Spiderman can him as well as Wolverine's vision is enhanced too, meaning he can see dust falling from Spidey's feet if he's above him, and so on.

There is absolutelly NOTHING Wolverine can do to pull a win against Spider-man, he is completelly outclassed and his healing factor only means that Spider-Man will be able to use his powers at full blast, punching withouit holding back.

Funny I think it's close to the opposite. Let's be honest, I've been down this argument 100 times, and this isn't a fanboy thing, I like them both, it's just IMO Wolverine has Spidey slightly outclassed.
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Let's put it this way, Wolverine has taken very hard hits from a very ticked Hulk and gotten up and kept coming. Hulk 100+ class, Spidey 15 class or so.

Wolverine's tagged faster ppl than Spiderman.

He's broken Venom's webbing which is stronger than Spiderman's.

His healing factor can take anything Spidey can dish out if Wolverine can survive that huge bomb (no matter how stupid I may feel it is)

Spiderman said himself the only way he can beat Wolverine is to break his neck, and honestly if Hulk's 100+ class punches haven't done it, not sure how Spidey could, or get the motivation to do it. I know Wolverines joints between the bones in his neck aren't adamantium, but possibly they heal so fast they can't break, if like I said stronger ppl than Spidey have punched him in the head, and his head didn't go flying off, then how can Spidey do it? Not to count Wolverine was about to bust out laughing while Spidey was punching him, Wolverine knew Spidey wouldn't or couldn't break his neck, so he knew he had it won.

More recently in a sparring/training session Wolverine actually tagged Spidey. I don't care what ppl say, if your fighting someone with claws, you do your best to dodge, Spidey's Spidersense no doubt kicked in. Fact is Wolverine caught Spidey off guard and slashes him bad. Spidey passed out in a pool of his blood after punching Wolverine around a bit, with Spidey being way ticked. Wolverine after it was done didn't have a drop of sweat on his forehead, no bruises, wasn't limping, simply said "He deserved it".

That's just it, Wolverine has shown he can take serious punches from Spiderman 2 times now, and keep getting back up or smile thru them. He's proved he can tag Spidey, or atleast surprise Spidey with his Speed. Wolverine's one of MU's top 10 martial artists. He tangles toe to toe with the hulk, and comes up with strategies to tag speedsters. He recently beat Cap without the use of his claws in close combat, with Cap having his shield and Masamune (sword that can hurt Wolverine and cause his healing factor to stop). Spidey on the other hand was pulled into close combat by Cap and pwned.

This isn't a rag on Spiderman, but the evidence is right there. The only thing Spiderman has going is the secret wars thing which was while writers were giving him a big boost, basically he was basically the hero. His speed which he's proven he can't hit Quicksilver head on without using his smarts, which is the same as Wolverine as he uses his smarts to hit speedsters too. Wolverines got more stamina, unbreakable bones, took hits from stronger ppl, his faster ppl, broke stronger webbing, and showed Spidey up twice. If nothing else he can outlast Spiderman, as I've said before he went toe to toe with, and took much harder hits from Omega Red for 60 straight hours without going down, I think he can take 20 or so minutes of Spidey's without passing out, and his healing factors been upped since.

So thank you for giving me a reason to type that out, I change it, Wolverine wins 7/10 times against Spidey IMO. I would love to see the fight tho, and doesn't mean it's hopeless for Spidey. But if the fight gets anywhere near close combat Spidey's done, and the only way I really see him taking it is if he webs him up which Wolverine just pushes his claws thru his own body and cuts the webbing on the other side. Which is honestly not a win, webbing up and walking away just has a cheap feel, it doesn't prove who'd win in an actual fight head on.

 

[Artistsean]

Wolverine is a good character, when you focus on his character and not just him fighting and using his powers. Like many of Marvel's characters, he has a well rounded personality and seems like he could be a real person at times. His personality is really intersting.

 

[Fading]

BTW think Tropico called that this would turn into this lol. I guess I just don't like when ppl dislike a character and simply state "He'd have no chance, or get pwned" if there's actual cannon to prove otherwise. Like all those Spiderman vs Superman threads that Spiderman won on here. I mean he's a good character IMO as is Wolverine, but neither is unbeatable, and both closer to the same lvl than ppl think. I say Hulk whups em both tho .

 

[Artistsean]

Thaqts something I was wondering about. Has Hulk always been immortal and unstoppable?
I mean, now Hulk can't die because the Hulk healing any wound he has. But has Hulk always been like that?

Also the other day, in comic illustration class, were saw some old comic pages of Kirby's featuring DR. Doom versus Thing. Doom was fighting Thing with his fists and holding his own against him.
Has that kept going?

Just wondering.

 

[Fading]

Thaqts something I was wondering about. Has Hulk always been immortal and unstoppable?
I mean, now Hulk can't die because the Hulk healing any wound he has. But has Hulk always been like that?

Also the other day, in comic illustration class, were saw some old comic pages of Kirby's featuring DR. Doom versus Thing. Doom was fighting Thing with his fists and holding his own against him.
Has that kept going?

Just wondering.

Honestly not sure, I've read older Hulk comics, but can't remember many of them needing him to use a healing factor, his skin simply reflected most dmg. I think it was first in a Wolverine vs. Hulk fight, where Hulk was Grey Hulk, it was revealed Wolverine was hurting Hulk all along but Hulk was healing the dmg so fast it looked like no dmg was done. That might have been near the start of it. I know he's survived his skin being burnt off and healed it in 3 panels 10 or so years ago like it was nothing, and has been gutted a few years back and held his intestines in with his hand and his skin grew around his hand. That's some pretty impressive healing, but nothing that old, some Hulk buffs around here hopefully can answer that.

As for Doom and Thing, Things not always been as strong, his strength has crept up over the years. Not sure of the exact issue you mean as I haven't read it, but he did start out around 5 ton str. Then around when he fought Superskrull the first time I believe he was around 20 ton str, as Superskrull still had Things origional str later on and I think Thing was much stronger, but not entirely sure on that. Now Thing is class 85 or so ton str I believe, if not closer to class 100. At the time tho Thing prob was closer to Doom's strength, and Doom hasn't improved drasitically in str like Thing has.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Actually Believe he has meta-human strength, but basically it's barely more than Peak, ya Spidey has him beat in strength.


Agreed Spidey has him beat on speed, but has commented on Wolverine's speed before, and Wolverine has tagged speedsters before faster than Spidey, and dodged gunfire on occasion. His Speed is also metahuman, slightly above peak.


And Wolverine has unbreakable bones that technically Spiderman's hand should turn into a soft putty everytime he punches WOlverine, but we'll go with suspension of belief here. Wolverine broke free of Venom's much stronger webbing before, actually cannon, so not seeing the point here.


True, but as I stated above Wolverine's tagged ppl far far faster than Spiderman before. Plus Wolverine has very heightened senses, meaning he could possibly hear Spiderman's heart beating, smell his sweat, hear the straining of his arm when he goes to throw a punch. He can physically see Spiderman better than Spiderman can him as well as Wolverine's vision is enhanced too, meaning he can see dust falling from Spidey's feet if he's above him, and so on.



Funny I think it's close to the opposite. Let's be honest, I've been down this argument 100 times, and this isn't a fanboy thing, I like them both, it's just IMO Wolverine has Spidey slightly outclassed.
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Let's put it this way, Wolverine has taken very hard hits from a very ticked Hulk and gotten up and kept coming. Hulk 100+ class, Spidey 15 class or so.

Wolverine's tagged faster ppl than Spiderman.

He's broken Venom's webbing which is stronger than Spiderman's.

His healing factor can take anything Spidey can dish out if Wolverine can survive that huge bomb (no matter how stupid I may feel it is)

Spiderman said himself the only way he can beat Wolverine is to break his neck, and honestly if Hulk's 100+ class punches haven't done it, not sure how Spidey could, or get the motivation to do it. I know Wolverines joints between the bones in his neck aren't adamantium, but possibly they heal so fast they can't break, if like I said stronger ppl than Spidey have punched him in the head, and his head didn't go flying off, then how can Spidey do it? Not to count Wolverine was about to bust out laughing while Spidey was punching him, Wolverine knew Spidey wouldn't or couldn't break his neck, so he knew he had it won.

More recently in a sparring/training session Wolverine actually tagged Spidey. I don't care what ppl say, if your fighting someone with claws, you do your best to dodge, Spidey's Spidersense no doubt kicked in. Fact is Wolverine caught Spidey off guard and slashes him bad. Spidey passed out in a pool of his blood after punching Wolverine around a bit, with Spidey being way ticked. Wolverine after it was done didn't have a drop of sweat on his forehead, no bruises, wasn't limping, simply said "He deserved it".

That's just it, Wolverine has shown he can take serious punches from Spiderman 2 times now, and keep getting back up or smile thru them. He's proved he can tag Spidey, or atleast surprise Spidey with his Speed. Wolverine's one of MU's top 10 martial artists. He tangles toe to toe with the hulk, and comes up with strategies to tag speedsters. He recently beat Cap without the use of his claws in close combat, with Cap having his shield and Masamune (sword that can hurt Wolverine and cause his healing factor to stop). Spidey on the other hand was pulled into close combat by Cap and pwned.

This isn't a rag on Spiderman, but the evidence is right there. The only thing Spiderman has going is the secret wars thing which was while writers were giving him a big boost, basically he was basically the hero. His speed which he's proven he can't hit Quicksilver head on without using his smarts, which is the same as Wolverine as he uses his smarts to hit speedsters too. Wolverines got more stamina, unbreakable bones, took hits from stronger ppl, his faster ppl, broke stronger webbing, and showed Spidey up twice. If nothing else he can outlast Spiderman, as I've said before he went toe to toe with, and took much harder hits from Omega Red for 60 straight hours without going down, I think he can take 20 or so minutes of Spidey's without passing out, and his healing factors been upped since.

So thank you for giving me a reason to type that out, I change it, Wolverine wins 7/10 times against Spidey IMO. I would love to see the fight tho, and doesn't mean it's hopeless for Spidey. But if the fight gets anywhere near close combat Spidey's done, and the only way I really see him taking it is if he webs him up which Wolverine just pushes his claws thru his own body and cuts the webbing on the other side. Which is honestly not a win, webbing up and walking away just has a cheap feel, it doesn't prove who'd win in an actual fight head on.

Wow. I honestly can't beleive that this is being argued seriously! I personally don't like either Spider-Man or Wolverine but I have respect for Spidey and I also have knowledge on both characters and in practically every physical catagory except for senses(which he only barely beats pete out in)Wolverine is completely outclassed. Spider-Man's pure power is often underestimated because he is one of the best heroes at controlling his own strength and even undersufficient stress he holds back. The pure blunt force trauma from spideys blows would scramble wolvie's brains so bad and Spider-man can easily toss wolverine around. But then again I forgot they recently had Wolverine regenerate from being reduced to a skeleton(something he was clearly not supposed to be able not to do. In fact he died from a sentinel doing this to him in days of future past). I still think Spidey would floor him if he was serious.

 

[Fading]

Wow. I honestly can't beleive that this is being argued seriously! I personally don't like either Spider-Man or Wolverine but I have respect for Spidey and I also have knowledge on both characters and in practically every physical catagory except for senses(which he only barely beats pete out in)Wolverine is completely outclassed. Spider-Man's pure power is often underestimated because he is one of the best heroes at controlling his own strength and even undersufficient stress he holds back. The pure blunt force trauma from spideys blows would scramble wolvie's brains so bad and Spider-man can easily toss wolverine around. But then again I forgot they recently had Wolverine regenerate from being reduced to a skeleton(something he was clearly not supposed to be able not to do. In fact he died from a sentinel doing this to him in days of future past). I still think Spidey would floor him if he was serious.

This argument has been done tons and seriously on this thread, after going over both sides and reading past issues myself I still stick by my opinion and stick to it. These are comics btw, their physics aren't necessarily the same, if Spiderman's punch scrambles Wolverine's brains, yet a bullet can kill Spidey and his arm's been broken, his durability is near human durability. So why does Spiderman's arm not simply fracture badly everytime he puts that near normal durability with 15 ton str behind it against unbreakable metal? Ya...even when Wolverine has bone claws they broke twice and they were stronger than Spiderman's bones could hope to be. So we'll throw out Wolverine's brain scrambled because you'd have to toss in Spiderman's arm turning to dust and goo when he punches anyone with higher durability even if he sends them flying. Like falling from a height in water, even the skin of water can kill a person on impact even if it break and u pass thru it, still that impact is lethal.

Alright so getting past that, what are you getting at? Are you trying to say that logically Spiderman's 15 class strength trumps a ticked Hulk punching full on with 100+ class str? Let's face it, Wolverine's taken Hulk's hits and gotten right back up, Spiderman's best hit should not be anywhere in the realm of a Hulk hit period, no questions. Grey Hulk was around 75 class Hulk Str and Grey doesn't hold back in the least, and Wolverine took them and kept getting up and even gutted Grey Hulk (tho the fight was a tie more or less). Plus Wolverine has taken Spidey hits, pretty sure when he was bleeding to death from Wolverine's cut recently, and lashing out he wasn't holding much back against Wolverine, and Wolverine wasn't hurt in the least after it. In their crossover Spidey had Wolverine's head on a tomb stone and was laying into him, and Wolverine smiled it off.

I'm just 'trying' to be unbiased here. I like both, acknowledge both aren't unbeatable, and even tho I like Wolverine better, Spidey's still my second favorite. Just outside of webbing him up, and Wolverine going stupid and not slashing thru himself to break it as he's done in the past, or not breaking it as he's done with Venom's much stronger webbing (in canon). I just don't see what Spiderman's punches could do that Hulk's couldnt given Spidey couldn't puch his best punch at 1/3 Hulk's normal str punch, or be untaggable when Wolverine's tagged faster opponents, or do enough dmg that Wolverine's healing factor can't outlast. Not a bash, just not seeing Spidey pull a win more than Wolverine could, and also not seeing how some of you say Wolverine can't have a chance.

Again tho Sentry beats 'em both blindfolded with both arms behind his back .

 

[Sloth7d]

Hey Sloth, how is that Ultimate Alliance game anyway? Is it turn based? Isn't the story like half Ultimate Universe and half 616 Universe or something. There's 616 Galactus and SS but an Ultiamate Thor. What's that about?

They should have put Hulk in it, but Thor's pretty cool.

As for Wolverine, he's alright but nothing like your friends think he is.

Ultimate Alliance is exactly like X-men Legends in terms of gameplay.
I'm not sure if any character can carry another yet via flying. If they can then I haven't figured out how yet. But overall, its still like a better version of X-men. You still get a team bonus depending on the four characters in your party. Best so far is all Fantastic four members IMO.
The health bonus rocks. The game is definately worth the price tag despite Cyclops, nightcrawler, and Hulk not being playable.
But as for why the Hulks not in it: I heard someone say the liscense to his character is tied up right now or something. Hopefully he will appear in the sequel if there is one and they get this mess with his liscensing under control.

 

[Sloth7d]

What do your friends think of Captain America?

They think he sucks. Yep, but I bet if he had a kick ass movie and overpowered character in video games they'd change their tune.
Oh, and get this. They think Batman rocks and is the best next to Wolvy.

 

[Sandman138]

This ignores a more important issue: Deadpool is better than all of them.

 

[GyLocke]

Wolverine worked very well as the underdog.

Remember when he took out the Hellfire club, one by one only using his wits and skills? The short, hairy guy who was desperately in love with a woman, who never even considered him, since he had a pretty boy with cool glasses all over her? The sad man, the outcast, among the outcasts? Who still obviously deeply respected Scott and Xavier, even though he behave pretty assholish with them? The guy who got schooled by Scott in a monthly basis, and it made us like him more.

That was a Wolvie I could root for. Sometimes he took in so much damage his healing factor couldn't handle it, and Jubilee had to save his ass, getting him to a safe place where he healed for weeks if not months.

I liked that guy. He was the rough warrior with a golden heart. If I had to pick an x-man to go drink some bears with, it would've been him.

Not today's Wolvie though. The jerk regenerated fully from a skeleton in a minute a few weeks ago. It's been stated various times he could take the hole X-men. The guy who made the juggernaut trembling with fear for some reason, and was an ass about it. The guy who gets more ass than a toilet seat, since for some reason, he became irresistable in the last decade. And - shock - he is being really arrogant about it.

This Logan can go **** himself for all I care. That's why I'm all for his Wheadon treatment. Sure, he uses him as a comic relief, but even then, he is returning him to his roots - He is not a too complicated guy. A fighter. He likes beer. He is not a warrior god.

And if we talking feats, Spidey owned the whole X-men by himself, including Wolverine in the secret wars.
(But so did Cyclops when they were brainwashed, but later a powerless Storm defeated him, so you can never know )