Wolverine sucks

[unstoppable]

This argument has been done tons and seriously on this thread, after going over both sides and reading past issues myself I still stick by my opinion and stick to it. These are comics btw, their physics aren't necessarily the same, if Spiderman's punch scrambles Wolverine's brains, yet a bullet can kill Spidey and his arm's been broken, his durability is near human durability. So why does Spiderman's arm not simply fracture badly everytime he puts that near normal durability with 15 ton str behind it against unbreakable metal? Ya...even when Wolverine has bone claws they broke twice and they were stronger than Spiderman's bones could hope to be. So we'll throw out Wolverine's brain scrambled because you'd have to toss in Spiderman's arm turning to dust and goo when he punches anyone with higher durability even if he sends them flying. Like falling from a height in water, even the skin of water can kill a person on impact even if it break and u pass thru it, still that impact is lethal.

Alright so getting past that, what are you getting at? Are you trying to say that logically Spiderman's 15 class strength trumps a ticked Hulk punching full on with 100+ class str? Let's face it, Wolverine's taken Hulk's hits and gotten right back up, Spiderman's best hit should not be anywhere in the realm of a Hulk hit period, no questions. Grey Hulk was around 75 class Hulk Str and Grey doesn't hold back in the least, and Wolverine took them and kept getting up and even gutted Grey Hulk (tho the fight was a tie more or less). Plus Wolverine has taken Spidey hits, pretty sure when he was bleeding to death from Wolverine's cut recently, and lashing out he wasn't holding much back against Wolverine, and Wolverine wasn't hurt in the least after it. In their crossover Spidey had Wolverine's head on a tomb stone and was laying into him, and Wolverine smiled it off.

I'm just 'trying' to be unbiased here. I like both, acknowledge both aren't unbeatable, and even tho I like Wolverine better, Spidey's still my second favorite. Just outside of webbing him up, and Wolverine going stupid and not slashing thru himself to break it as he's done in the past, or not breaking it as he's done with Venom's much stronger webbing (in canon). I just don't see what Spiderman's punches could do that Hulk's couldnt given Spidey couldn't puch his best punch at 1/3 Hulk's normal str punch, or be untaggable when Wolverine's tagged faster opponents, or do enough dmg that Wolverine's healing factor can't outlast. Not a bash, just not seeing Spidey pull a win more than Wolverine could, and also not seeing how some of you say Wolverine can't have a chance.

Again tho Sentry beats 'em both blindfolded with both arms behind his back .

I"m not goin' to read all this so I'm just gonna say
that spiderman can just throw a car on top of him and immobilize him

 

[Darthphere]

So Wolverine sucks eh?

 

[Sloth7d]

I didn't say it was good writing...am I glad Wolverine won? Hell yes. Lobo is lame. I don't care what he can do, and honestly, he probably could beat wolverine, but hes a lame character, so I am glad wolverine won. The fight itself was rushed and poorly written, but I am pleased with the outcome.


The fact is, you talk to your firiends and say spidey can beat wolvie, and back it up with nothing but your opinions and meaningless stats. Your friends, however, could own you decisevly if they decided to get off their ass, research and buy said comics. I doubt they would listen to you whining about bad witing when they had real evidence in their hands

So by your logic I can go up to a fan of Lobo and say I have concrete evidence that Wolvy can beat him. And despite all their raving and ranting my poorly written comicbook proves all... Theres a fault in that somewhere...
And eitherway, I could pull up more fights where Spidey won. Show it to em and back it up with stats. So they'd still be sol.

 

[Sloth7d]

I agree with this, about many characters, at times their powers get over blown and overshadow their personalities and stories. The character needs weaknesses as well as strengths, and their character needs to be well rounded too, not just one demensional.

Then there is also the fact that sometimes a character is over used and over exposed, or a part of the character is over exposed. Or a character is spread too thin.

Really, I have no problem with his healing factor upgrading. I don't mind like others. But the fact that he can take on guys like Submariner, and atlanteans underwater(even with an ironman suit) saids that marvel gives too much credit to its own character.

 

[SuperFerret]

Spider-Man vs. Wolverine

It's the eternal question to which there is no answer.

Sure, Spidey's faster, stronger and has Spider-sense, but Logan's a better fighter, has a good healing factor (I'm talking classic Wolvie, not "I can regenerate my entire body from a small piece of my pinky toe" Wolvie) and has a skeleton laced with unbreakable metal. Both have gone toe to toe with the Incredible Hulk and survived. Both have fought and defeated foes that range from common street criminals to killer robots to bank robbing supervillains to world conquering dictators to god-like beings. They are evenly matched against each other, and truthfully, despite their apparent dislike for one another, they each harbor a deep respect for the other. I doubt there'd be a definitive victor in a 'normal' battle, but if it came down to a fight to the death where niether would hold back anything?

I'd say that [BLACKOUT]********[/BLACKOUT] would win 5/10 times.

 

[gambitfire]

Really, I have no problem with his healing factor upgrading. I don't mind like others. But the fact that he can take on guys like Submariner, and atlanteans underwater(even with an ironman suit) saids that marvel gives too much credit to its own character.

Iv'e been complaining about this specific incident since i first saw it, this and the Emma one. t:

 

[BrolyKnight]

wow another spidey and wolverine argument, yeah spidey can shot his webbing from a block away,and yes he could throw a car at wolverine, but since wolvy has greater than peak reflexes and agility i would say he could dodge both the car and his webbin, the whole Human torch goin super nova thing is true but people forget that its not something he can do instantly he need to focus and build up the enegry to do that, and anyone with enough sense wouldnt allow it

 

[Sloth7d]

I had no idea there were more than one.
Infact I didn't even intend for this to be one.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

This ignores a more important issue: Deadpool is better than all of them.

I concur.

 

[BrolyKnight]

I had no idea there were more than one.
Infact I didn't even intend for this to be one.

yea im pretty new here and ive seen the whole wolvy vs spiderman arguement thrown around, oh of course i know u didnt mean for this to happen but it was something that couldnt be prevented, i mean u titled it wolverine sucks which is will attract a huge amount of attention. i personally disagree with the title but i do agree wolverine is bein over exaggerated

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I hate the fact that Wolverine was stabbed to death by the Hand not too long ago, but now he can be stripped down to the bones from a blast and heal it all back in two panels.

 

[Fading]

So by your logic I can go up to a fan of Lobo and say I have concrete evidence that Wolvy can beat him. And despite all their raving and ranting my poorly written comicbook proves all... Theres a fault in that somewhere...
And eitherway, I could pull up more fights where Spidey won. Show it to em and back it up with stats. So they'd still be sol.

Only thing I'll say on this is you CAN'T possibly compare the lobo fight to the Spiderman one, and not sure why your trying lol.

Lobo vs. Wolverine was fan voted, screw how it would have went, fans chose the winner. Lack of space meant 2-4 panel fights.

The Spiderman vs. Wolverine cannon comic was well drawn, and about as realistic of a fight inbetween the two as we'll ever have. I read it and didn't consider it bad writing at all. You can call it bad writing all you want, but it's cannon and I found it a good read, and didn't find Spiderman portrayed bad at all honestly.

Saying he would do this, or would do that is just hypothetical guesses we all make. What does happen in comics if considered cannon is all we can go by. Realistically I don't think Spiderman should ever beat the Hulk, or Wolverine should either. Wolverine shouldn't be able to do enough dmg and their healing factors are close enough that outlasting shouldn't be an issue. Spiderman shouldn't be able to do enough dmg either, shouldn't have as much stamina, and his webbing should be like tissue paper to the Hulk, Spiderman's beat him in the past tho. Let's face it, who wins is who the writer wants to win. Wolverine walked away smiling from their best fight yet, so saying he has no chance just goes against cannon period.

Either way said my thoughts lol, sry to help, well guess it wasn't derailing really, anyway I stick by my opinion. Both are closer to equals than everyone thinks, and I still think Wolverine picks up more wins than losses against Spiderman, both pick up more wins than losses against Cap, and all 3 get owned by Hulk, Sentry, Ironman, and other higher lvl guys. Both are in far more comics than they should be, neither should be continually stronger as Wolverine is with his healing factor, and Spiderman is with his evolutions and retcon origin story and new abilities all around. Both are better grounded, and I hope writers realize that.

 

[Fading]

I hate the fact that Wolverine was stabbed to death by the Hand not too long ago, but now he can be stripped down to the bones from a blast and heal it all back in two panels.

There supposed to be explaining how he did. I'm holding of hating on him for the nitro healing thing since none of us really know how he did it. It'll be explained tho. It could be he had Mutant Growth Hormone that Stark fed him, it could be sucky like an evolution like Spiderman had, it could be something dealing with him and Sabertooth supposed to be a seperate species (maybe beast too), honestly not sure. If they handle it alright I can get over it, if it makes it worse I'll be right there with u lol.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wolverine became sucky when people started thinking of rekindling his rivalry with the Hulk. Wolverine is not, nor should be a match or a rogue of the Hulk. Hell Iceman, Cyclops, and Jean Grey (arguably the three most powerful X-Men) had trouble with Hulk in Grey form. Forget about Wolverine.

 

[BrolyKnight]

I hate the fact that Wolverine was stabbed to death by the Hand not too long ago, but now he can be stripped down to the bones from a blast and heal it all back in two panels.

technically it wasnt the hand that killed him it was the gorgon (a master swordsman, and martial artist with the mutant power to kill anyone he looked at, and could turn people into stone by lookin at them....where does marvel come up with this stuff). this guy was so good that he took down elektra with ease in hand to hand combat.

 

[Movies205]

Wolverine use to be cool back when he was trained by ninjas, and he was a cool character, now he just sucks because writers, write him tailor toward fanboys

 

[Artistsean]

I wasn't talking about JUST Wolverine. I actually like that Logan can survive almost anything. Gives alot of chances for great visuals.
Also, other than his healing and metal claws and bones, Logan is a human. Not super strong or fast.

I was talking about any hero or villian that they make too powerful suddenly.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Eventually Wolverine will burn out, and they will have to (like Whedon) take him back to formula and write a more comic accurate version. He can only win for so long before readers get bored.

 

[Sloth7d]

Only thing I'll say on this is you CAN'T possibly compare the lobo fight to the Spiderman one, and not sure why your trying lol.

Lobo vs. Wolverine was fan voted, screw how it would have went, fans chose the winner. Lack of space meant 2-4 panel fights.

The Spiderman vs. Wolverine cannon comic was well drawn, and about as realistic of a fight inbetween the two as we'll ever have. I read it and didn't consider it bad writing at all. You can call it bad writing all you want, but it's cannon and I found it a good read, and didn't find Spiderman portrayed bad at all honestly.

Saying he would do this, or would do that is just hypothetical guesses we all make. What does happen in comics if considered cannon is all we can go by. Realistically I don't think Spiderman should ever beat the Hulk, or Wolverine should either. Wolverine shouldn't be able to do enough dmg and their healing factors are close enough that outlasting shouldn't be an issue. Spiderman shouldn't be able to do enough dmg either, shouldn't have as much stamina, and his webbing should be like tissue paper to the Hulk, Spiderman's beat him in the past tho. Let's face it, who wins is who the writer wants to win. Wolverine walked away smiling from their best fight yet, so saying he has no chance just goes against cannon period.

Yeah, I agree with you here. In the end it all comes down to fanbase and who's writing the story. Though all comic references aside in a serious debate if you compare Wolverines powers to Sidermans abilities, it would seem that Wolverine is definately the underdog there. Thats all I'm saying.

 

[Mike059jig]

LOL......Wolverine a cool character.....It just the he gets shoved down people faces too much...the whole looking for the past is so Fricking Boring nowadays....

Wolverine better when he has cool one liners and makes a cameo appearence in X-men

 

[Crowforge]

He knows his past now

 

[e-three]

Sigh...have we already forgotten? Well then, here it is again...

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Haha yes.

 

[Crowforge]

Here what is again?

 

[Zeu]