Wonder Woman Script

Okay then, instead of having the Amazons descendants of Kryptonians, why can't the "gods" just be another race from who knows where? Another race that existed along with Kryptonians. I just don't see why WW basically can't exist without Superman.
 
The problem here is that people are letting the comics influence how things should be interpreted on screen. Ignore the comics and think about it from a film perspective. Lets say Man of Steel is a 100% original creation, Superman is a brand new character, that's the perspective you have to come at it from in order to expand the universe of that world. Now you want to add a new character in the second film, a beautiful woman from a mysterious tribe who has similar powers to Superman - how do you approach it?

If Wonder Woman were theoreically also a 100% new creation? She wouldn't be an infected Kryptonian. She'd be a bona fide 100% Kryptonian who landed in the Scout Ship 20, 000 years ago which is why there was already a pod opened inside the ship.

Thankfully, neither of those happen to be the case.

Oh, how I wish you were working at WB. :csad:

I've always been of the mind that fans have the best broad ideas, but terrible full formulation of them, so I really appreciate the comment.

Martian Manhunter also has the potential to bring in allegorical themes for racism. I read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel a couple of months back and one of the ideas in that book is that people trust Superman despite being an alien simply because he looks human. Obviously that Superman won't be as trusted in this universe as in the comics (pre-New 52) but there will be a level of trust the general public has for Superman at some point (the military has it already to an extent). However, Martian Manhunter would be looked at in the same way people would look at Brainiac and Darkseid, and would suffer discrimination due to it despite being arguably the most peaceful JL member. He would serve as a great allegory for racism and for the fact that humans only look on what is present on the outside instead of the inside.

That's an entirely brilliant idea, one I would love to see incorporated into a JL film, Superman and J'onn are near enough identical in terms of origin and nature, they're both
walking weapons of mass destuction, but one is held to a greater standard, the representative of humanity, the other the subject of distrust and hate, purely because of his visage.

How would you say Batman would impact "the general public" in your pitch?

Batman's usually the hardest to incorporate into the shared world. It would go either of two ways, both begin with people genuinely believing Batman to be some sort of monster (given all the other goings on it doesn't seem that implausible), however, in contrast to his usual depictions, Batman could act as a reassurance to people because he elevated himself through sheer mental fortitude to being able to stand amongst gods. But on the flipside he could also appear the least human, he essentially has willingly turned himself into the darkness of humanity and is now a trusted confidant of the most powerful beings in history.
 
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Lmao, this sounds terrible. And I don't believe it for a second, considering what Diane Nelson said about Wonder Woman recently. But on the off-chance that it is real... I hope it gets thrown into the garbage along with the other 945721 failed scripts. Seriously, seriously terrible.

Agreed, the problem is... whenever there is a terrible idea proposed, there is always a good chance that someone at WB will think that it is a very good idea and green light it.
 
Okay then, instead of having the Amazons descendants of Kryptonians, why can't the "gods" just be another race from who knows where? Another race that existed along with Kryptonians. I just don't see why WW basically can't exist without Superman.

I want Wonder Woman movie to be free from influences of other DC properties.

But, they (WB) don't have confidence in the original source material, so they force some aspects from other successful movies into other DC properties.
 
well wouldn't all humanoid species logically have a common ancestor?

but I agree. I don't think the films have to specifically say which it is.

For all of GL 2011's faults, even a line as small as Hector Hammond's line about a possible convergent evolution / common ancestor was enough, and realistic that he would think that.

The thing to consider is that Amazons are not aliens, they are a part of Human race, so none of the "Convergent Evolution" theories need to be applied here, we re just making a simple concept overly complicated.

Historically speaking Amazons did exist and they did worship Greek Gods, so no explanation is needed for that, then show that Gods have never appeared for many centuries, so most Amazons consider them as myths, only Queen Hippolyta can talk to them.

Then show that Gods exist in a parallel dimension, and they have some powers.

What else is needed ?
 
I want Wonder Woman movie to be free from influences of other DC properties.

But, they (WB) don't have confidence in the original source material, so they force some aspects from other successful movies into other DC properties.

Oh I totally agree. 1000%. That was just my idea to keep it somewhat influenced but still have the gods.
Call me crazy,but I love how the gods play a big role in Diana's life. I like that she was granted the gift of speed and flight from Hermes. Her lasso made from the reminders of Gaeas golden girdle. Her bracelets from reminents of Athena's shield.

Sure, it will probably be harder to explain, but I'm sure there is a way to do so
 
It seems so lazy to merge worlds and just make everything an offshoot of MOS. I would be annoyed in a movie theater where they make Amazons some hybrid species to expain away any magic in the universe. Harry Potter was relatively realistic and it had magic why can't WW?
 
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After reading through jmc and Krypton's conversation, I completely agree with jmc. Trying to combine the world of MOS with a completely mythological WW wouldn't work. It'd be like trying make a LOTR/Star Wars crossover. No one would buy it. And just because it works in in comics doesn't mean anything. Film is a completely different animal.
 
Broad question here, because I know you can't divulge how long the screenplay is: But if I did want to try my hand at writing a script, on average, how many Microsoft Word pages are we talking about? 100? 200? 500?

Thanks.

On average, one page of screenplay equals one minute screen time, so most screenplays are 100-120 pages long.

And don't use MS Word. Formatting is very specific in a screenplay and it takes forever in MS Word. Final Draft is the most widely used software. There use to be a free software called Celtx, not sure if its still around.
 
bs. just do it. greek gods, myhtology, aliens. that's the DCU, and it's cool as ****.
crazy shared universe ftw
 
If Wonder Woman were theoreically also a 100% new creation? She wouldn't be an infected Kryptonian. She'd be a bona fide 100% Kryptonian who landed in the Scout Ship 20, 000 years ago which is why there was already a pod opened inside the ship.

Thankfully, neither of those happen to be the case.

I'm not quite sure what that post what suppose to be responding too.
 
Okay then, instead of having the Amazons descendants of Kryptonians, why can't the ''gods'' just be another race from who knows where? Another race that existed along with Kryptonians. I just don't see why WW basically can't exist without Superman.

How is that any different? Either way you've just removed the entire mythological aspect from the character.
 
After reading through jmc and Krypton's conversation, I completely agree with jmc. Trying to combine the world of MOS with a completely mythological WW wouldn't work. It'd be like trying make a LOTR/Star Wars crossover. No one would buy it. And just because it works in in comics doesn't mean anything. Film is a completely different animal.
in some ways I understand that but it needs to be more subtle than what people are purposing. Like the whole alien angle should not relate to Krypton at all.

I see it going something like this:

Open movie a voice over expains
"Throughout the millennia there have been travelers. Some have tried to take this world as there own. But humans have always been resilient." Visuals of a ship the shape of a sphinx hitting Egypt while people run in horror. And flashes of the alien race rulling over them. Then the aliens start showing signs of a desease that humans are immune to. The ships leave.

Enter Rome: ships descend down and out comes the roman gods with golden hair and skin and abilities to control mankind. Shows them ruling. Then a simular decease befalls these Gods and they too must leave but not before mating with the humans making the Amazons. They section themselves off from the world until the day there Gods may return.
 
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Just read how to approach the Wonder Woman movie by Vadakin, who has some good ideas.

(Vadakin posts on eyesskyward.com and on voicesfromkrypton.net )

http://voicesfromkrypton.net/if-i-was-making-wonder-woman/

Embrace the mythology. Not just of the comics, but of actual Greek myth. Let her be surrounded by sorcery, gods and monsters. Let her defend the world from ancient evils. Don’t make Zeus an alien. Don’t play down the mythical elements of the character for the sake of fitting in with Superman and Batman. Do the opposite. Play it up. Introduce an existence beyond the world we know. Let her bracelets and her Lasso Of Truth be magical, not advanced science.
 
How is that any different? Either way you've just removed the entire mythological aspect from the character.
its true. I don't even like that idea. They just become "Gods in name only. "

I know I will be one of the super super nitpickey ones when it comes to WW and her origins. I want it done right, so I'm not even going to speculate because I know how I would want to see it done.
 
It seems so lazy to merge worlds and just make everything an offshoot of MOS. I would be annoyed in a movie theater where they make Amazons some hybrid species to expain away any magic in the universe. Harry Potter was relatively realistic and it had magic why can't WW?

You're making it out as if the entire DC is just something that just needs to be solved in order for it to be like it is in the comics. Sometimes the simplest solution is in fact the best. Lazy? It's a solutions to a difficult problem, that's not lazy, that's smart thinking, it ties everything together. It isn't just a matter of A+B=C, if anything what some people advocate is the far more difficult option to accomplish. And seriously, Harry Potter? C'mon man, Potter was pure fantasy.
 
*Sigh* now I don't even know if I want to see a WW movie if this is the case. Sad times :(
 
I'm not quite sure what that post what suppose to be responding too.

I'm terribly apologetic if what I had conveyed wasn't clear enough. You gave us the parameter of imagining Man of Steel as not an adaptation of a pre-existing character, but the creation of a new. So, in the same vein being applied to Wonder Woman, she would not be a regular human who was mutated by a microbe (which seems a rather tenuous arbitrary link, especially considering alien diseases were adressed in Man of Steel), but rather, she would be the "missing Kryptonian" from the Scout Ship in Man of Steel.
 
its true. I don't even like that idea. They just become "Gods in name only. "

I know I will be one of the super super nitpickey ones when it comes to WW and her origins. I want it done right, so I'm not even going to speculate because I know how I would want to see it done.

There's no reason the gods can't be apart of the story, it's just they wouldn't be there in a physical sense. If MoS is suppose to be set in a real world then in a real world no-one can prove the existence of a higher power, but that's not to say people still don't believe in one.
 
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I'm terribly apologetic if what I had conveyed wasn't clear enough. You gave us the parameter of imagining Man of Steel as not an adaptation of a pre-existing character, but the creation of a new. So, in the same vein being applied to Wonder Woman, she would not be a regular human who was mutated by a microbe (which seems a rather tenuous arbitrary link, especially considering alien diseases were adressed in Man of Steel), but rather, she would be the ''missing Kryptonian'' from the Scout Ship in Man of Steel.

Well, yeah that's probably the way it should go down, but hypothetically speaking if the Hollywood screen writer comes up with a character similar to how WW actually is and wanted to adapt her into the MoS world he would have to do so according to the rules set up by that world.
 
Well, yeah that's probably the way it should go down, but hypothetically speaking if the Hollywood screen writer comes up with a character similar to how WW actually is and wanted to adapt her into the MoS world he would have to do so according to the rules set up by that world.

But where is the rule saying the Hellenic gods (no matter what their guise) couldn't exist? Guillermo Del Toro intends to adapt Constantine, Deadman, Zatanna and Swamp Thing into the Man of Steel world, so a more accurate Wonder Woman doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.
 
But where is the rule saying the Hellenic gods (no matter what their guise) couldn't exist? Guillermo Del Toro intends to adapt Constantine, Deadman, Zatanna and Swamp Thing into the Man of Steel world, so a more accurate Wonder Woman doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.

Ok, even if the Hellenic gods did exist as some alien race and are the reason for the creation of WW you haven't really changed anything from the suggested alterations have you? You're still dealing with the fact you've removed mythology out of the equation for WW and replaced them with aliens, there won't be any LOTR type of story with mystical beings and strange creatures. As for Del Toro, given the type of director he is I find it highly unlikely he's capable of doing such a thing.
 
There's no reason the gods can't be apart of the story, it's just they wouldn't be there in a physical sense. If MoS is suppose to be set in a real world then in a real world no-one can prove the existence of a higher power, but that's not to say people still don't believe in one.

Oh, I'm TOTALLY okay with them not physically showing the gods. Or just vaguely showing them. That is totally fine. But they still need to have some sort of presence.
 
While the idea of Kryptonian bacteria being the catalyst for Amazonian development could work - some people just don't like the idea and would (if proper magical roots are truly impossible) prefer lesser 'evils' if it avoids the Kryptonian connections.
 
You're making it out as if the entire DC is just something that just needs to be solved in order for it to be like it is in the comics. Sometimes the simplest solution is in fact the best. Lazy? It's a solutions to a difficult problem, that's not lazy, that's smart thinking, it ties everything together. It isn't just a matter of A+B=C, if anything what some people advocate is the far more difficult option to accomplish. And seriously, Harry Potter? C'mon man, Potter was pure fantasy.
It's absolutely lazy.
It's not to satisfy the heart of the character just to make her different to satisfy a producers hard on to dumb WWs mythology down because the studio doesn't think there audience is intelligent enough to pick up on different ideologies converging in one universe.

You misunderstand. I said relatively realistic world. Perhaps Constantine the film is more in the tow with what I mean.
 

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