Wonder Woman Script

[jmc]

I don't think what was established in MOS is a "Gritty/Grounded/Realistic" universe at all really. But it was a universe of "consequences". If an alien with awesome power that looked like us were raised on Earth, what could the reaction be on this planet? What would be the consequences? Jon Kent in the film was guided by that idea and his fate showed how those consequences played out in a personal way for Clark. General Zod is the last remaining invader and there is no way to send him to the PZ, and he wants vengeance on Kal-El and Earth. What are the consequences? But other than some off the cuff explanation (about as detailed as what was done in Thor, which is to say, not that detailed) from Jor-el we don't get some technobabble timey whimey rationale for Clark's real world impossible powers. As long as a WW story is about the consequences of her existence in the world it really doesn't matter that her origins are tied to the magical power of ancient gods.

Do you think magic powers can work in the context of a film like Terminator?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

People are asking for out of the box ideas to suit what they think a WW should be instead of asking for ideas that work within the context of the MoS universe. Frankly, people are looking at a WW set in a MoS world from the wrong perspective.

I loved MOS. In terms of what was done with the character, I got a Superman movie I did not even know that I wanted. But he was still Superman, to me any way. Did he come from a doomed planet called Krypton? Check. Were his parents desperate to send him safely away to a bold new destiny on Earth? Check. Was he found and raised by a kindly couple on a farm in the Midwest of America under the name Clark Kent? Check. Does Clark meet a hard nosed, almost cynical reporter from the Metropolis newspaper the Daily Planet who melts at her attraction to his charm and inner nobility? Check. So what I got was, Y'know, a certified Superman movie.

Now, take what you are proposing for Diana and put Superman in that same position. He's not an alien anymore. He is the biological son of Jon and Martha. He gets exposed to some alien bacteria that hitched a ride on a meteor or what ever when he turns 25yrs old. The exposure is the reason he becomes powerful and does the things he can do. I ask you... Does this sound like the story of Superman? Or is this starting to sound like another character? Could be a fine character, but it aint Superman.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I loved MOS. In terms of what was done with the character, I got a Superman movie I did not even know that I wanted. But he was still Superman, to me any way. Did he come from a doomed planet called Krypton? Check. Were his parents desperate to send him safely away to a bold new destiny on Earth? Check. Was he found and raised by a kindly couple on a farm in the Midwest of America under the name Clark Kent? Check. Does Clark meet a hard nosed, almost cynical reporter from the Metropolis newspaper the Daily Planet who melts at her attraction to his charm and inner nobility? Check. So what I got was, Y'know, a certified Superman movie.

Now, take what you are proposing for Diana and put Superman in that same position. He's not an alien anymore. He is the biological son of Jon and Martha. He gets exposed to some alien bacteria that hitched a ride on a meteor or what ever when he turns 25yrs old. The exposure is the reason he becomes powerful and does the things he can do. I ask you... Does this sound like the story of Superman? Or is this starting to sound like another character? Could be a fine character, but it aint Superman.

I laugh every time I read that.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

bacteria? so it doesn't have anything to do with kara? as I've said i don't dislike the idea, it's not like i'd expect her to be wondy in kara's s shield suit. are they going with the kryptonians as ancient astronaut/nephilim/anunaki sort of thing to explain the gods?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Do you think magic powers can work in the context of a film like Terminator?

I think that TERMINATOR has it's origin in as a standalone film in it's own universe. I think Superman and Wonder Woman and Batman have been known to be residents of a fictional world in which they can interact for longer than you and I have been on this Earth. It's a world of bald geniuses that can create technology that Einstein could only dream of. Where girls talk backwards because they are descended from Atlantean magicians. The Super Hero genre as done by Marvel/DC comics has always been a grab bag of other genres. And this has been true for those characters across media.

Again, I don't think the MOS world is about pseudo scientific plausibility at all. Or grittiness. It's about consequences. I don't think any audience member (except for you ) is going to balk at seeing the Amazing Amazon Warrior Princess standing next to Atlantean King and the totally humanoid alien we call Superman. As long as it's consistent on a dramatic level the DCCU does not need some UNIFIED FIELD THEORY of superheroes.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

No they are planning same thing with Flash actually. That's something WB cooked up.

lol. they got that from here. i remember rodrigo talkiing about something like that. so a lighting bolt strikes kryptonian bacteria while barry examines it? or something?

 

[jmc]

I loved MOS. In terms of what was done with the character, I got a Superman movie I did not even know that I wanted. But he was still Superman, to me any way. Did he come from a doomed planet called Krypton? Check. Were his parents desperate to send him safely away to a bold new destiny on Earth? Check. Was he found and raised by a kindly couple on a farm in the Midwest of America under the name Clark Kent? Check. Does Clark meet a hard nosed, almost cynical reporter from the Metropolis newspaper the Daily Planet who melts at her attraction to his charm and inner nobility? Check. So what I got was, Y'know, a certified Superman movie.

Now, take what you are proposing for Diana and put Superman in that same position. He's not an alien anymore. He is the biological son of Jon and Martha. He gets exposed to some alien bacteria that hitched a ride on a meteor or what ever when he turns 25yrs old. The exposure is the reason he becomes powerful and does the things he can do. I ask you... Does this sound like the story of Superman? Or is this starting to sound like another character? Could be a fine character, but it aint Superman.

From the information being posted here she's still lives on Themyscira, she still is a warrior, Steve Trevor still crashes into the island, she still has super strength and the lasso - am I missing something? The only difference seems to be her creation has come about due to Krypton planting the seeds instead of the Greek Gods - a perfectly reasonable and frankly logical alteration to suit the MoS world.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

The gods could be written as the original ones to receive those abilities. As the first of one's race to have that kind of power, it's certainly understandable that they consider themselves "gods." That would lead to the divide of gods and mortal during the Greek empire. They'd still live up to their history, but would be subject to our reality.

yeah. I'ts not like history hasn't shown some men calling themselves gods. mt.olympus IS a physical place isn't?

 

[jmc]

I think that TERMINATOR has it's origin in as a standalone film in it's own universe. I think Superman and Wonder Woman and Batman have been known to be residents of a fictional world in which they can interact for longer than you and I have been on this Earth. It's a world of bald geniuses that can create technology that Einstein could only dream of. Where girls talk backwards because they are descended from Atlantean magicians. The Super Hero genre as done by Marvel/DC comics has always been a grab bag of other genres. And this has been true for those characters across media.

Again, I don't think the MOS world is about pseudo scientific plausibility at all. Or grittiness. It's about consequences. I don't think any audience member (except for you ) is going to balk at seeing the Amazing Amazon Warrior Princess standing next to Atlantean King and the totally humanoid alien we call Superman. As long as it's consistent on a dramatic level the DCCU does not need some UNIFIED FIELD THEORY of superheroes.

The problem here is that people are letting the comics influence how things should be interpreted on screen. Ignore the comics and think about it from a film perspective. Lets say Man of Steel is a 100% original creation, Superman is a brand new character, that's the perspective you have to come at it from in order to expand the universe of that world. Now you want to add a new character in the second film, a beautiful woman from a mysterious tribe who has similar powers to Superman - how do you approach it?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The problem here is that people are letting the comics influence how things should be interpreted on screen. Ignore the comics and think about it from a film perspective. Lets say Man of Steel is a 100% original creation, Superman is a brand new character, that's the perspective you have to come at it from in order to expand the universe of that world. Now you want to add a new character in the second film, a beautiful woman from a mysterious tribe who has similar powers to Superman - how do you approach it?

Well... Superman is not a brand new creation, and neither are any of the big 5 of DC. I am sorry but these characters have long and rich histories from which to draw. And as I stated before an expanded universe, especially expanding on MOS, to me is more about the dramatic consistency of asking what are the ramifications, both for characters and their fictional world. I don't think having a shared universe for creations that all (Batman too y'all) wield totally unrealistic power that defies all known logical explanations means there must be some overarching mechanism in order for audiences to accept it. It's not just about comic history. Radio programs, cartoons, live action tv, films, video games... The audience for these characters when they have been adapted into those media have eaten up the concept of these heroes having diverse, even paradoxical origins for decades. MOS changes none of that.

 

[Lily Adler]

From the information being posted here she's still lives on Themyscira, she still is a warrior, Steve Trevor still crashes into the island, she still has super strength and the lasso - am I missing something? The only difference seems to be her creation has come about due to Krypton planting the seeds instead of the Greek Gods - a perfectly reasonable and frankly logical alteration to suit the MoS world.

It fits the MOS world, but I don't want to have to alter the Amazons origins to such lengths just to get a shared universe.

 

[jmc]

Well... Superman is not a brand new creation, and neither are any of the big 5 of DC. I am sorry but these characters have long and rich histories from which to draw. And as I stated before an expanded universe, especially expanding on MOS, to me is more about the dramatic consistency of asking what are the ramifications, both for characters and their fictional world. I don't think having a shared universe for creations that all (Batman too y'all) wield totally unrealistic power that defies all known logical explanations means there must be some overarching mechanism in order for audiences to accept it. It's not just about comic history. Radio programs, cartoons, live action tv, films, video games... The audience for these characters when they have been adapted into those media have eaten up the concept of these heroes having diverse, even paradoxical origins for decades. MOS changes none of that.

Well clearly I'm not able to get you and some others to look at it from a different perceptive so there's really no point in me trying to convince you otherwise. If you're not happy with this type of alteration, well that's your choice, for me this idea of Krypton being seeding the creation of the wider DC universe on film is the easiest and most logical approach.

 

[jmc]

It fits the MOS world, but I don't want to have to alter the Amazons origins to such lengths just to get a shared universe.

I don't see how it does. At its core this idea seems to only really change the Greek Mythological beginnings into a Kryptonian one. Like I said everything else about the character based on the information given in this thread seems to remain more or less in tact, so I honestly don't know what the fuss is about. Wow, so we don't get Ares or some ancient Greek monster - I can live with that.

 

[Micromind]

It is lame and terrible idea, Wonder Woman is a 73 year old character, at least show some respect to that, if they can't include magical beings and mythological aspects that Wonder Woman story requires then leave her alone. Let a grounded super heroine like Catwoman or black Canary be a part of Justice League.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Well clearly I'm not able to get you and some others to look at it from a different perceptive so there's really no point in me trying to convince you otherwise. If you're not happy with this type of alteration, well that's your choice, for me this idea of Krypton being seeding the creation of the wider DC universe on film is the easiest and more logical approach.

I think all fans (and I am mister mainstream superhero guy. I love both universes and all the marquee characters in them) feel protective of their favorite characters. For any who like this alternate take on WW... Would you be open to a version of Superman whose origin was tied to Greek mythology in a direct way, and for whom the explanation of his powers was that he was a being of magic? (For all the Kevin Smith's out there, yes, I am aware that it's all BS anyway ) And would you be willing to go along with that, buy tickets and other products, financially support this take, just because a WW film came out first in which her origin is her classic one? Would you agree with the rationale that if you want a film with both those heroes in it, then Superman's origin must be sacrificed? If your answer is NO, then why would it be any more acceptable for Diana?

 

[jmc]

It is lame and terrible idea, Wonder Woman is a 73 year old character, at least show some respect to that, if they can't include magical beings and mythological aspects that Wonder Woman story requires then leave her alone. Let a grounded super heroine like Catwoman or black Canary be a part of Justice League.

It's only lame and terrible because it's not what you want.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I wouldn't mind if the Amazonians/Old-Gods were descendants of Kryptonians

or vice-versa. I wouldn't care if the Kryptonians (and perhaps all humanoid life) were descendants of the Old-Gods.

But most importantly I just want them to still be present in some form (even if the old-gods are just Amazonian myths).

 

[Micromind]

I would prefer that they don't make a Wonder Woman movie and make he a part of JL movie, if that is the route they will follow.

What's next ? A movie about how Billy Batson got powers in an scientific experiment gone wrong ?

 

[Micromind]

I wouldn't mind if the Amazonians/Old-Gods were descendants of Kryptonians

I fail to understand why Kryptonians are needed in the first place.

A WW movie is more than capable of being set in a self contained universe.

don't make her a part of shared JL universe(if they can't get past her mythoogical roots), for JL include some other female member, Huntress / Catwoman / Black Canary.

or, just don't make a WW movie.

 

[Lily Adler]

I don't see how it does. At its core this idea seems to only really change the Greek Mythological beginnings into a Kryptonian one. Like I said everything else about the character based on the information given in this thread seems to remain more or less in tact, so I honestly don't know what the fuss is about. Wow, so we don't get Ares or some ancient Greek monster - I can live with that.

Exactly it omits all the Greek gods and any potential connection to New Genesis or the New Gods and takes a chunk of Diana's rogues away. Plus, Ares has always been one of her big bads to not have him seems wrong.

 

[jmc]

I think all fans (and I am mister mainstream superhero guy. I love both universes and all the marquee characters in them) feel protective of their favorite characters. For any who like this alternate take on WW... Would you be open to a version of Superman whose origin was tied to Greek mythology in a direct way, and for whom the explanation of his powers was that he was a being of magic? (For all the Kevin Smith's out there, yes, I am aware that it's all BS anyway ) And would you be willing to go along with that, buy tickets and other products, financially support this take, just because a WW film came out first in which her origin is her classic one? Would you agree with the rationale that if you want a film with both those heroes in it, then Superman's origin must be sacrificed? If your answer is NO, then why would it be any more acceptable for Diana?

You're taking things to extremes to prove a point. I'm willing to take on alterations in order for them to work in the context of the universe they are trying to inhabit. I've long wanted a WW film that's a mix of LOTR and Political thriller, but that concept only works if she's given her own universe to play in that's free of other characters because I know from a film perspective the DC pantheon of heroes works best as individual characters inhabiting individual worlds. The thing is Man of Steel was never created with the intention of being a wider universe, it was only ever later on that it was decided it would be the starting point and this is where things get murky because the foundations are for a specific type of character in a specific type of film genre and a specific type of world and not for an entire roster of different characters. Now you're stuck with the cards you're dealt. The only way you and others get the DC universe you desire is if MoS is a totally different film, one that has the intention of being part of a larger universe, or at least being a lot more neutral in the world the character inhabits. As such it's not, and so in order to get other characters to fit its foundations you're going to have to make alterations. Ultimately if you do what yourself and other want in retaining this and that simply because that's how it's always been then you're opening yourself up for disappointment because the chances are it won't be executed as easily, as well or as satisfying as you image it will.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I fail to understand why Kryptonians are needed in the first place.

A WW movie is more than capable of being set in a self contained universe.

don't make her a part of shared JL universe(if they can't get past her mythoogical roots), for JL include some other female member, Huntress / Catwoman / Black Canary.

or, just don't make a WW movie.

well wouldn't all humanoid species logically have a common ancestor?

but I agree. I don't think the films have to specifically say which it is.

For all of GL 2011's faults, even a line as small as Hector Hammond's line about a possible convergent evolution / common ancestor was enough, and realistic that he would think that.

 

[gordonabishop]

Lmao, this sounds terrible. And I don't believe it for a second, considering what Diane Nelson said about Wonder Woman recently. But on the off-chance that it is real... I hope it gets thrown into the garbage along with the other 945721 failed scripts. Seriously, seriously terrible.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Just show that whole Paradise island (Themyscira) is set in a parallel dimension where Amazons live, and that Amazons themselves have not seen Greek gods for many hundreds of years, many just assume that they exists, only the Queen Hippolyta can see them occasionally.

then show Diana going out of Themscira to enter real world in present time.

Yeah I think the Gods can be written to be out of phase with our dimension due to years of not being worshiped. It would expian why no one has seen them in centuries. So they live in a pocket universe on earth and only those who believe and "summon" them can see them now.

 

[dmc]

When the WW film is like CLASH OF THE TITAN/LORD OF THE RINGS and makes boatloads of cash and little girls (and perhaps some little boys) are running around in WW costumes lassoing things or playing with swords pretending to battle a chimera we will look back on all this "Wonder Woman needs a contrived pseudo scientific explanation" and laugh brothers and sisters.

I hope it's closer to LOTR than Clash of the Titans in terms of quality.