WonderCon: The Ruckaning

[Mystirious]

I've always had mixed feelings towards Johns. For all his "Silver Age fanboy" rep, he writes comics that are WAY to gory and brutal for my tastes. And every word that came out of Superboy-Prime's mouth was a (not even thinly) veiled slam on Pre-Crisis fans like me. At the same time he brought back a Multiverse, putting most classic material back in continuity at least in spirit. And I do like Hal fine, at least Pre-Crisis Hal, although I like Alan best. He's been good for the JSA mostly, and I love a lot of his Hawkman stuff.

I don't really care about the gore. My main issue with Johns comics work is that it is so unremittingly boring, to the point where I find much of it a chore to read. His recent JSA run was the about as interesting as staring at paint drying and served us up a meal of bloated continuity references, fawning worship over that most ovverated of comics stories known as Kingdom Come with a side order of bigotry

I honestl did not think that JSA could get much worse. Then Bill Willingham came on board. Shows what I know.

And while it's been talked to death I will agree with you on the matter of Superboy Prime. He's an unfunny parody of fanboy cliches with nothing interesting or dynamic about him.

I also get the distinct impression that after five minutes in Johns company I would feel the urge to either strike him or hurl myself under a train.

 

[BrianWilly]

Yes. We get it.









Full Rucka transcript is up for those who like to read stuff. I know, I know, I'm harping on this, but it was interesting. And, oops, I guess I was wrong about Tomasi being the one who came up with the scene in Detective #859. He was just the editor who Rucka had talked the scene over with at the time.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Kyle is not "superior" just his fans are his fans, just like Hals older fans are his fans. I prefer Kyle, simply because I find him more interesting overall and much more relatable. Hal is fine, but I just dont like him as much as I like Kyle, No big whoop.

I like Kyle too and frankly the only reason I like Hal more is because Hal is the Green Lantern that got me hooked on Green Lantern. I really just don't like his extremist fans.

At least extremist Batman fans have bad writing to feed their delusions that no one can beat Batman or something that can be easily misinterpreted like Tower of Babel. You can thank Frank Miller having Batman kick Superman's ass in the Dark Knight Returns and Grant Morrison writing Batgod for these delusions.

At least extremist Wally West fans have a legitimate reason to be mad because of piss poor editorial decisions DC made essentially forced them to conclude to revamp the mythos with Barry Allen at the helm and Wally ended his tenure as the flagship Flash with a whimper. Even though I look forward to Johns' return to the Flash mythos, I certainly sympathize with the Wally fans because even though Wally's character isn't getting screwed over, his fans certainly are.

But extremist Kyle Rayner fans, like I said, these people just make **** up on him getting screwed over. They have Kyle being excellently written in Green Lantern Corps (Wally West fans were promised a Wally West co-feature and that was taken away from them) and instead focus on Kyle no longer being the flagship Green Lantern, Kylelax, and jumping the gun on Blackest Night with his "death" and again with Jade's resurrection (I find it very unlikely that he'll go back to her).

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I disagree with almost everything he said about WW. The she's not Superman with **** is right and the stuff about her being political seems partly right though I fear he may be sort of defining it by her sexuality purely as well. The lasso isn't a whip, Rucka.

 

[Mystirious]

I disagree with almost everything he said about WW. The she's not Superman with **** is right and the stuff about her being political seems partly right though I fear he may be sort of defining it by her sexuality purely as well. The lasso isn't a whip, Rucka.

I'm pretty sure it is.

The kinky bondage roots of the character are one of the reasons that I love her. So I am pleased to see that Rucka doesn't ignore them or view them as a negative like some writers I could name are guilty of.

I honestly believe DC should never have taken Rucka off the WW title. He was the only writer since Perez who wrote her well.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Heinberg wrote her well but the delays absolutely killed it. It was good, but not good enough to where the delays were worth it like JMS' Thor or Whedon's Astonishing X-Men. The book has never recovered even though Simone gave it necessary life support

 

[Mystirious]

I'm afraid I simply couldn't get into Heinberg's work. His Diana just felt off to me, just as Picoult's did. It felt like I was reading about an entirely different charcter. And while that wouldn't have been all bad if the new characterisation was at least engaging, I didn't find it so.

Also having Batman of all people KO the Cheetah was the most ridiculous thing I have seen from DC since the day Superboy Prime punched time.

 

[Assassin]

Hey Mystirious, are you a Gail Simone fan?

 

[Assassin]

Vixen and Ice Maiden were great characters. And I love all those who you list so casually as "Dull".

I'll give you Vibe and Orpheus though. Even I wasn't bothered when they died.

And god alone knows how he managed that. He's the most tedious creation currently appearing in modern comics. Every time I look at his face I have the urge to tear it from his head.

Then DC had better put another writer on the character. NOW. Not "Later" or "Soon".

I would sooner commit seppuku with a rusty blade than pay money for an issue of Green Lantern. But I've read his Nightwing stuff and it was good. So yeah, I'd be happy to see him as the writer on the title.

Oh Jesus Christ, I've retired from my online fights so I've held back, but seriously, we get it. I'm only on page 2 and you must have mentioned your hate for Johns and Hal Jordan 9 times. We get it. Your posts are so painful to read that now i just skip over them. You like Vixen? Cool. Did you buy her mini that came out last year? It sold so bad that my LCS didn't even order the last 2 issues because no one bought them. We understand you have a different opinion than the majority of DC readers but they can not cater to only you. You have to realise that not everything will go your way, in fact it almost never does in life. You have to calm the **** down or else you will die young of an aneurysm or something similar. Jesus every post It's like you're constipated.

 

[Mystirious]

We understand you have a different opinion than the majority of DC readers but they can not cater to only you. You have to realise that not everything will go your way, in fact it almost never does in life. You have to calm the **** down or else you will die young of an aneurysm or something similar. Jesus every post It's like you're constipated.

I am allowed to be unhappy with the numerous and glaring problems that DC comics has. And to voice my opinion on same. And to juge from their sales figures I think I am rather in the majority with my mostly negative opinion of 99% of the companies output.

And I do not expect them to cater to only me. I am hardly the only one angered by the possibility of the Batwoman ongoing being scrapped.

And I think it's rather too late for me to die young as I'm coming up on 30 in a couple of years. That ship has sailed

 

[Assassin]

30 is still young. And if you read Geoff John's comments from wondercon, it's not scraped, Him and Ian Sattler both said "we have plans, we wanted Rucka but he's focusing on his career...the book will not wait"

 

[Mystirious]

DC also keep claiming to "Have plans" for Casandra Cain. How'd that work out?

As I have said, provided that I am wrong in my asumptions then I'll be all too happy to eat my words. But after the last ten years or so of increasingly bad decisions from DC I am done giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I won't be happy until I see hard concrete evidence that Batwoman isn't going to be dissapearing from the DCU.

 

[Assassin]

Cassandra cain will come back as soon as bruce does. also, are you a fan of Gail Simone?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Given what they've done with Cassandra Cain in the past few years, I think Batwoman would be better off without any plans from DC.

 

[Mystirious]

Cassandra cain will come back as soon as bruce does. also, are you a fan of Gail Simone?

Depends on what she is writing. I like Secret Six. You?

And why do you ask? Was there some news relating to her at Wonder Con?

Given what they've done with Cassandra Cain in the past few years, I think Batwoman would be better off without any plans from DC.

No. No she really wouldn't.

Cass probably is though. At least as long as Adam Beechen is on staff

 

[Drz]

Mysti i think you should just try to be patiant and wait for April 17th-19th to find out who the new Detective Comics writer is. Patiance is virtue!

 

[Assassin]

I was asking about Gail Simone because we have a history. You gave the right answer. If you said simply yes i would have shuned you for good.

 

[Mystirious]

I know. I've just never been terribly good at being patient. Especially with regard to matters like this.

 

[Mystirious]

I was asking about Gail Simone because we have a history. You gave the right answer. If you said simply yes i would have shuned you for good.

A history? I will presume it is not a happy one. Did you have a bad experience with her at a convention?

I have seen an interview with her on Youtube once. She came across as quite a nice woman in that. Is that not always the case?

Or am I just reading too much into your casual comment?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

I was asking about Gail Simone because we have a history. You gave the right answer. If you said simply yes i would have shuned you for good.

You dated Gail Simone?

 

[NightBeetle]

Is she a freak in bed?

 

[Assassin]

haha no, she almost had me banned because i said she writes batman like a ***** and i got into it with a lot of her fans.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm pretty sure it is.

The kinky bondage roots of the character are one of the reasons that I love her. So I am pleased to see that Rucka doesn't ignore them or view them as a negative like some writers I could name are guilty of.

I honestly believe DC should never have taken Rucka off the WW title. He was the only writer since Perez who wrote her well.

Bondage as a fetish and bondage as a philosophy that Marston was spouting are two seperate things. He certainly used the imagery of the fetish but that doesn't equate to the lasso being a whip.

 

[Mystirious]

Bondage as a fetish and bondage as a philosophy that Marston was spouting are two seperate things. He certainly used the imagery of the fetish but that doesn't equate to the lasso being a whip.

And it's Marston' theories, as well as the fetish imagery that first sparked my interest in the character.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm afraid I simply couldn't get into Heinberg's work. His Diana just felt off to me, just as Picoult's did. It felt like I was reading about an entirely different charcter. And while that wouldn't have been all bad if the new characterisation was at least engaging, I didn't find it so.

Also having Batman of all people KO the Cheetah was the most ridiculous thing I have seen from DC since the day Superboy Prime punched time.

Picoult didn't even know what the **** she was doing.