World War 3...

[jaguarr]

*lol*
You are aware that the Hype forum format uses blue, like, everywhere, right? t: Blue's my favourite colour.

"I'm blue, da ba dee da ba dai, da ba dee da ba dai, da ba dee da ba dai...."

jag

 

[AnimeJune]

Let's say you walk through Harlem with an "I hate ni**ers" shirt. Is that free speech? Or is it going out of your way to offend.

Or is it simply doing what Jeremy Irons tells you to because otherwise he would blow up a school? t:

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Or is it simply doing what Jeremy Irons tells you to because otherwise he would blow up a school? t:

Okay...I kinda laughed at thatt:

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But, if J.D. Salinger had ended his novel by saying "those who read this must kill a member of the Beatles", he would have been responsible. Because in the book he expressly noted an action which should be taken.

NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.

Example: "Hey All! Wilhelm here. Everyone who reads this should clean their rooms, do the dishes, read your local phonebook from cover-to-cover, then put a stick of dynamite up your rump and light it.


..........If someone does all of that, lol, um....no, I am not responsible for it.

Hate groups can have rallies, however they cannot have them in places where it would be offensive and disruptive to others.

Totally incorrect. I have no idea where you got that from.

You can say anything you want to anyone you want, however in this case when you make something public that you know will offend it can be subject to law. And in this case, I feel it should be.

Uh, that is an ominous quote^.
1) Again with this "You can say anything you want....exCEPT:...."
Why not say what you mean? "IMO, you should be free to say anything within the range of what I find to be tolerable."

2) "When you make something public that you know will offend"...?!?!?
dude.....

3) that vague "subject to law"....which to some would mean, "you should be fined and have to go to sensitivity training", and to others, seriously, literally would mean "you should have your right hand cut off".


Jesus Christ.

 

[Erzengel]

World War III will be fought on the Moon using Giant Robots.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.

Example: "Hey All! Wilhelm here. Everyone who reads this should clean their rooms, do the dishes, read your local phonebook from cover-to-cover, then put a stick of dynamite up your rump and light it.


..........If someone does all of that, lol, um....no, I am not responsible for it.

Right but you aren't calling me to kill someone, i.e. break the law. And yes, if you told me to do something you are held responsible. We just don't have laws against cleaning rooms.

Totally incorrect. I have no idea where you got that from.

Right here under hate crime legislation: "[hate symbols are a]threat against the peaceable enjoyment of public places to members of the targeted group. That threat constitutes an additional ground for culpability on the part of the perpetrator and justifies additional legal sanctions."

Uh, that is an ominous quote^.
1) Again with this "You can say anything you want....exCEPT:...."
Why not say what you mean? "IMO, you should be free to say anything within the range of what I find to be tolerable."

2) "When you make something public that you know will offend"...?!?!?
dude.....

In other words I can press charges against you for offensive speech, yes.

3) that vague "subject to law"....which to some would mean, "you should be fined and have to go to sensitivity training", and to others, seriously, literally would mean "you should have your right hand cut off".


Jesus Christ.

Well we tend to have different punishments for different offenses. Du'h.

You forget the consitution doesn't protect life and liberty it protects life, liberty AND the pursuit of happiness. So anything that can be shown to impinge upon ANY of those three things is subject to law or legal action. If I can prove you guilty of inciting a riot for a bobblehead doll, or show that it is a hate crime, or causes the death of someone, etc...then YOU can be held responsible, and will.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

World War III will be fought on the Moon using Giant Robots.

And they will be armed with

 

[Fred_Fury]

Muslims need to grow a sense of humor.

Freedom of expression, get used to it muslims.

 

[Darthphere]

Muslims need to grow a sense of humor.

Freedom of expression, get used to it muslims.

I hope you realize our laws dont extend to the world....yet.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Muslims need to grow a sense of humor.

Freedom of expression, get used to it muslims.

We don't have "freedom of expression" in this country. Speech, Assembly, Petition, Press and Religion...however you cannot run around naked if you wanted to.

 

[Fred_Fury]

We don't have "freedom of expression" in this country. Speech, Assembly, Petition, Press and Religion...however you cannot run around naked if you wanted to.

yeah but we can make bobble-head muhhamads with fake turban bombs. And if Muslims dont like it, they can go pray to their phoney god "allah" waaah waaah waaah somebody call the whaaaambulence.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Right but you aren't calling me to kill someone, i.e. break the law. And yes, if you told me to do something you are held responsible. We just don't have laws against cleaning rooms.

You left out the dynamite part. Suicide is against the law.

Right here under hate crime legislation: "[hate symbols are a]threat against the peaceable enjoyment of public places to members of the targeted group. That threat constitutes an additional ground for culpability on the part of the perpetrator and justifies additional legal sanctions."

I have been to countless
Hate-Displays that were both offensive and disruptive (especially because of location, such as yelling at the entrance of abortion clinics, or spazzing out over the WTO outside their meeting), and also overseen by policemen, so I'm very confused by how th^t fits into what you said.

In other words I can press charges against you for offensive speech, yes.

Again I'm confused. Michael Savage makes a living off of offensive speech. The government pays artists to make offensive art, intentionally offensive art. People say offensive things to me all day long.

Well we tend to have different punishments for different offenses. Du'h.

Irrelevant. I was referring to one offense and the varying degrees to which paper-skinned infants will become offended by the same hypothetical offense.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Muslims need to grow a sense of humor.

We're talking often about groups who would beat you bloody with sticks for flying a kite, and who hate the sight of girls in bikinis, so....ain't gonna happen real soon.

 

[Mee]

yeah but we can make bobble-head muhhamads with fake turban bombs. And if Muslims dont like it, they can go pray to their phoney god "allah" waaah waaah waaah somebody call the whaaaambulence.

You should travel the Middle East and tell Muslims how they should act, they'd really appreciate it too.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You left out the dynamite part. Suicide is against the law.

Oh, I missed the dynamite then

[/b] I have been to countless
Hate-Displays that were both offensive and disruptive, and also overseen by policemen, so I'm very confused by how th^t fits into what you said.

And not all murders are in jail either, what's your point.

Again I'm confused. Michael Savage makes a living off of offensive speech. The government pays artists to make offensive art, intentionally offensive art. People say offensive things to me all day long.

You do realize SOMEONE HAS TO PRESS CHARGES.

Irrelevant. I was referring to one offense and the varying degrees to which paper-skinned infants will become offended by the same hypothetical offense.

How offended you are really doesn't matter. That's why judges, and not victims, pass the sentence.

I believe for most public acts of hate speech, it's still a fine.

 

[Fred_Fury]

We're talking often about groups who would beat you bloody with sticks for flying a kite, and who hate the sight of girls in bikinis, so....ain't gonna happen real soon.

What do they got against flying kites???

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I believe for most public acts of hate speech, it's still a fine.

No dude. Remember the "God Hates F**S" ass****s?
They went and yelled at a kids funeral and all the cops made 'em do was stay across the street.
It was still very offensive and disruptive in a public setting chosen to offend specific targets.

I passed a similar grouping of bigots with flourescent pink and green signs "protesting" at some "Gay Outreach" joint or something in Utah.
Cops sat there, just in case anything physical started up. Did nothing about the words being yelled.

 

[Motown Marvel]

this guy is a serious jerk off.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

No dude. Remember the "God Hates F**S" ass****s?
They went and yelled at a kids funeral and all the cops made 'em do was stay across the street.
It was still very offensive and disruptive in a public setting chosen to offend specific targets.

I passed a similar grouping of bigots with flourescent pink and green signs "protesting" at some "Gay Outreach" joint or something in Utah.
Cops sat there, just in case anything physical started up. Did nothing about the words being yelled.

And during Jim Crow south we "allowed hate speech". Even after The Civil Rights Act, it still went on. However just having laws on the book does not change the fact that many do not get prosecuted.

I think you have this weird misconception that laws have these magic fairies that go around and immediately enforce them.

Do know when a cop arrests you the state/city you're in is pressing charges? So it's up to the police officer to decide whether he (as a representitive) wishes to press charges. However, our laws would allow you (let's assume you're gay) to subpoena the leader of the rally for hate crime. Then your lawyers get together and you go to court and the judge compares your claim to the law and decides whether the person is guilty.

It is against the law to perform hate speech demonstrations in public places if it's seen to be "disruptive and offensive". However it is against the law for cops to simply go down the line and hand out fines. That is a police state, we don't have that. We rely on courts to settle our differences. This applies for any crime.

 

[Darthphere]

I wish SB would drop his PoliSci class.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Cops enforce the law.
If they see someone breaking a law, they tell them to stop.
If the person doesn't stop, they arrest them, or take some other action.
I have freaking been to hate rallies, and seen them on TV.
In that one case, they DID not allow the hate-speakers to go inside the privately owned grounds of the cemetary, but yelling from right outside was allowed.
I have no idea what you are talking about.

If one of the people had thrown a brick over the fence? Boom, cop would've grabbed him. But throwing hateful words over the fence, that was allowed.

P.S.

I think you have this weird misconception that laws have these magic fairies that go around and immediately enforce them.

At every event I've mentioned there were (I'd say) TOO many policemen present.
The police are the magic faeries, IF they witness someone breaking the law.
If you don't believe me, jay walk in front of a cop and see what he does.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Apparently we disagree (there's a surprise )......I don't think that musicians should be held responsible for the occasional self hurting of some disturbed teens or others. Just as I don't believe that those who publish the Bible, Quran, Torah, comic books, or whatever should be held responsible for the violence perpetrated by the "occassional" fanatic of any of these things. You can not say that all of "this" or "that" cannot be made because 1 person out of a million might get angry and do something awful. But.....I feel that if you know that a certain thing will cause rioting and death across the globe if you do it....then doing it just to make the statement - "They should get over it." - is reprehensible.

Reprehensible or not it is the guy's right.

And by always acquiescing to these type of fanatics we only encourage self-censorship. Thats not something we should be doing in a supposed democracy with free speech.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Cops enforce the law.

That's their job description yes.

If they see someone breaking a law, they tell them to stop.

except when they ummm...don't

If the person doesn't stop, they arrest them, or take some other action.
I have freaking been to hate rallies, and seen them on TV.

Really, because one time I was at this party with a whole lot of underaged drinking (against the law) and two people were having sex on a balcony in plain view (against the law) and the two cops present were drinking beer with us. So no, actually the problem with some police is they don't enforce the law.

If they did their law completely we would not have so much crime in certain areas while having little elsewhere.

In that one case, they DID not allow the hate-speakers to go inside the privately owned grounds of the cemetary, but yelling from right outside was allowed.

I'll address this in a moment

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Okay great

If one of the people had thrown a brick over the fence? Boom, cop would've grabbed him. But throwing hateful words over the fence, that was allowed.

You know people get away with murder sometimes, but murder is not allowed. Sometimes we people speed, however it's still against the law to go 1 mile over the speed limit. We have LAWS against it, like we have federal laws and acts of congress that protect people against hate speech and hate groups.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

At every event I've mentioned there were (I'd say) TOO many policemen present.
The police are the magic faeries, IF they witness someone breaking the law.
If you don't believe me, jay walk in front of a cop and see what he does.

Cops have never arrested me for Jay walking. And I tend to drive ten miles over the speed limit, by police officers, yet they only pull me over after I exceed ten miles.

 

[Mee]

This thread done gone smart.