The Dark Knight Rises Worst, most annoying suggestions youve constantly heard

[bgates87]

They should bring back Two Face if for no other reason than the inevitable Burger King promotional scratch-and-win game. Do you scratch the normal side or the crispy side? Decisions, decisions...

 

[nimrodson]

^^ LOL.
Rainn Wilson as the Riddler. Wait. Damn it, I suggested that. Bad call. Maybe...

I am intrigued by the Black Mask concept, but I don't know where to start as far as comics go... Any suggestions to get me on board?

 

[kid dropper]

Im ok with rainn wilson as the riddler...... QUESTION!!!!!!

 

[Mister H.]

-Johnny Depp would make a great Riddler. (Why?)

-Mr. Freeze could work in a Nolan film. (I can't see it)

-Catwoman is essential. (I completely disagree)

 

[Mindreaper21]

I hate the Agent Riddler suggestion, DT as the Riddler, weak geek Riddler, Coleman REESE Riddler wtf!?!?!...just no. The BEST way to discribe The Riddler is having an intellect like Hannibal Lector. Watch the Silence of the Lambs trailer, you can NOT tell me that it doesn't sound like they are discribing the The Riddler (minus the eating habits of course).
Harley Quinn and Talia Al Gul suggestions...whats the point of having them without Joker or Ras!?
Last, but not least, ROBIN!!!

 

[weezerspider]

Harley Quinn and Talia Al Gul suggestions...whats the point of having them without Joker or Ras!?
Last, but not least, ROBIN!!!

Both of these are spot on. Others for me are:

NOT recasting The Joker- He's the FREAKIN Joker, and after TDK, anything else is gonna feel like a walk in the park for Batman unless we go outside of Nolan's real world.

Depp as Riddler- He's Heath's replacement in my mind

"comic" batmobile- Seriously? When's the last time you've seen that kind of car in a "realistic" world. The tank was farfetched enough for Nolan's world. Plus the Tumbler is easily cooler than anything Batman rode in the comics, other than Selina Kyle of course

Bringing Harvey back- That's just dumb

The Dark Knight Returns title- I actually want a real TDKR movie in the future

 

[ChickenScratch]

Trilogy. Every time someone talks about the movies as a trilogy or suggests it's going to end after 3 just gets me a bit POed. All geek fare cannot fall into the same storytelling form, but since Star Wars and LOTR was in 3 parts it seems the hip thing for people to say. Well there were/are more than 3 Batman stories, way more.

Philly as Gotham. Really, that's just stupid. People who live there might like it but I find it an ugly city that's wholly unappealing. There are many cities that fit as Gotham more, like NY (go ahead and gasp), Chicago, London, heck, even Berlin looks the part more.

 

[Mr. Earle]

"comic" batmobile- Seriously? When's the last time you've seen that kind of car in a "realistic" world. The tank was farfetched enough for Nolan's world. Plus the Tumbler is easily cooler than anything Batman rode in the comics, other than Selina Kyle of course

I second and lol with this!

NOT recasting The Joker- He's the FREAKIN Joker, and after TDK, anything else is gonna feel like a walk in the park for Batman unless we go outside of Nolan's real world.

They should recast. It would be strange if the joker is nowhere to be found or heard in the sequel.

Martin Short for The Mad Hatter.

I like it!

 

[kid dropper]

I hate the Agent Riddler suggestion, DT as the Riddler, weak geek Riddler, Coleman REESE Riddler wtf!?!?!...just no. The BEST way to discribe The Riddler is having an intellect like Hannibal Lector. Watch the Silence of the Lambs trailer, you can NOT tell me that it doesn't sound like they are discribing the The Riddler (minus the eating habits of course).
Harley Quinn and Talia Al Gul suggestions...whats the point of having them without Joker or Ras!?
Last, but not least, ROBIN!!!

dude, the riddler is a weak geek, ill be a little pissed if they cast some square jawed pretty boy, he's been a lanky receiting hairlined ski-nosed mother****er since his inception, he is not a master physical combatant, but rather a master showman and strategist. but sometimes i think maybe youre right, the character's cleverness really isnt enough, since he never really beats bats anyway, why not have him be able to put up a fist-fight at least. I'm reminded of "The Batman", which say what you will about it, offered a superior, more threatening and interesting version of Riddler to B:TAS(yeh get past the marilyn manson look and evaluate the character himself)

 

[General_Obol]

Anything involving Catwoman

Most people's casting choices. Most people just look for actors/actresses that simply look like the character without taking acting ability into account (like Angelina Jolie). Remember that NO ONE thought Heath Ledger would make a good Joker when he was first announced because he didn't look the part.

The fact that most people don't try to think out of the box for any of their casting choices and eventually just repeat each other.

Bringing the Joker back when you know everyone will be disappointed with the re-cast (You can hear the comments now, "He was good but he's not Heath Ledger," "_____ ______ was a horrible Joker," etc.)

 

[Eric Brooks]

^exactly, the Joker will NOT be recasted, the sooner some of these people realise this the better. To think otherwise is like living in a fantasty world, infact if you think he will be recasted or could be recasted you may as well say hello the santa, the easter bunny and tooth fairy for me while you're in never never land.

because apparantly that's where you left your brain

 

[Eric Brooks]

I would like to add that I'm a freaking fool for partially agreeing with people who think Batman should die, in ANY film. Jesus what a blatant dumb **** idea that is, in what world in what universe that would work is beyond me (unless Morrison was at the helm) and even then we all saw what happened with that as he was just sent back in time. See, not even a series titled "Batman:R.I.P." was dumb enough to kill Batman off, so why in hell would Nolan attempt it?

not happening

 

[Ion Kenshin]

How about every single suggestion.

 

[Mr. Earle]

^exactly, the Joker will NOT be recasted, the sooner some of these people realise this the better. To think otherwise is like living in a fantasty world, infact if you think he will be recasted or could be recasted you may as well say hello the santa, the easter bunny and tooth fairy for me while you're in never never land.

because apparantly that's where you left your brain

You must be Chris Nolan.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

How do you know he won't be recasted?

 

[WeaponXProject]

Making the Riddler silly and insane...too much like the Joker for me.

Making Catwoman the main villain or having her be more than just Selina Kyle the love interest.

Christian Bale is god.

 

[Eric Brooks]

How do you know he won't be recasted?

seriously? I'm not dignifying that with an answer

 

[Ion Kenshin]

seriously? I'm not dignifying that with an answer

You can dignify it with whatever the hell you want. I just hate the people who state he won't be recasted like it's blatant fact. I don't care if Nolan himself says it. I would love to know what all the people who say that Joker should, won't, can't and will not be recasted would do if Nolan turned around and said, "you know what I wanna bring back the Joker." I would not be surprised if at leastr half of them jumped right back on the God Nolan wagon and think it's the best idea ever.



I may come off sounding like someone who disliked this movie or whatever but that couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[General_Obol]

You can dignify it with whatever the hell you want. I just hate the people who state he won't be recasted like it's blatant fact. I don't care if Nolan himself says it. I would love to know what all the people who say that Joker should, won't, can't and will not be recasted would do if Nolan turned around and said, "you know what I wanna bring back the Joker." I would not be surprised if at leastr half of them jumped right back on the God Nolan wagon and think it's the best idea ever.



I may come off sounding like someone who disliked this movie or whatever but that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I won't go so far as to say that he won't be recast, but I will go as far as to say that it would be a very poor choice to do so. It's pretty much a certified fact that Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker is currently the best performance of any actor in a super hero film, so much so that it would be difficult to find an actor that can not only capture the essence of Ledger's Joker to an extent that his performance can somehow match Ledger's but also not let the role get to his head. We forget the fact that it was because of the sleep loss that Ledger underwent because of strain of becoming the Joker that Ledger started taking the sleep medication that he tragically overdosed on. It would be a foolish idea for any actor to take on the roll because it is simply too dangerous and too difficult to live up to.

Making the Riddler silly and insane...too much like the Joker for me.

I agree with this. The Riddler being silly, insane, and basically the same as the Joker was the main problem with Jim Carrey's Riddler in Batman forever.

I also really can't stand the people that say the Riddler should be interpreted as a Zodiac-style killer. That's just...******ed.

I also don't like it when people write-off a character as being "Impossible" or too unbelievable without trying. I am guilty of this a bit myself with Killer Croc, Clayface, and Man-Bat. There are definite ways to adapt certain characters that might seem impossible, like Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze (no saying I want to see both of them in a movie together EVER AGAIN). Or if it comes down to it, you could just remove the alter-ego. Man-Bat could just appear in the form of Kirk Langstrom, like how Dr. Connors was in the Spider-Man movies without even referencing the Lizard.

 

[Eric Brooks]

You can dignify it with whatever the hell you want. I just hate the people who state he won't be recasted like it's blatant fact. I don't care if Nolan himself says it. I would love to know what all the people who say that Joker should, won't, can't and will not be recasted would do if Nolan turned around and said, "you know what I wanna bring back the Joker." I would not be surprised if at leastr half of them jumped right back on the God Nolan wagon and think it's the best idea ever.

I'll gladly be more than happy to eat my words for breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner and dessert if he does so

I'm 99.9999% confident it's NOT happening for plenty of logical reasons, many stated by posters in this thread already which is why I refuse to repeat them.

 

[Laderlappen]

^ No.. it can't.. it can't be. Someone.. someone actually made that suggestion..!??!

Someone? Its like the most popular choice for that character.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I won't go so far as to say that he won't be recast, but I will go as far as to say that it would be a very poor choice to do so. It's pretty much a certified fact that Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker is currently the best performance of any actor in a super hero film, so much so that it would be difficult to find an actor that can not only capture the essence of Ledger's Joker to an extent that his performance can somehow match Ledger's but also not let the role get to his head. We forget the fact that it was because of the sleep loss that Ledger underwent because of strain of becoming the Joker that Ledger started taking the sleep medication that he tragically overdosed on. It would be a foolish idea for any actor to take on the roll because it is simply too dangerous and too difficult to live up to.

Well, you guys are really pushing it. You mean to tell me that there is no one on this planet that can imitate Ledger's Joker for a few scenes so that the sequel could work? OMFG you guys are nuts about Ledger. He wasnt god's gift you know.

Nolan was supposed to include the joker in the sequel and i think that now he will have to cut his role shorter or completely rewrite the story without the joker. I dont want another film with much joker in it anyway. I could use a break. But just like the Scarecrow appeared in TDK binding the two films together, and since the joker could never stand still for long, i think it would be good if he had a small role in the sequel. It would feel awkward if after all this **** in TDK the joker was nowhere to be heard in the sequel.
I say recast. The new actor doesnt have to bring new things to the table. Just do Ledger's joker. Its the joker of the franchise and should stay the same.

The joker isnt Ledger's you know. I hate this sort of fanboyism.

 

[WeaponXProject]

The joker isnt Ledger's you know. I hate this sort of fanboyism.

It is sooo true...the Joker as a character is bigger than the actor playing him. I mean that with all respect due to Heath. Also I would like to see a new villain but a reference to the Joker or an article in the Gotham Times or something about the Joker would be neat. Maybe a voice clip if someone can do the voice like Heath. Which I'm sure someone can. Leaving any reference to what happened in the last movie out of the next movie wouldn't be smart, IMO.

 

[General_Obol]

Well, you guys are really pushing it. You mean to tell me that there is no one on this planet that can imitate Ledger's Joker for a few scenes so that the sequel could work? OMFG you guys are nuts about Ledger. He wasnt god's gift you know.

Nolan was supposed to include the joker in the sequel and i think that now he will have to cut his role shorter or completely rewrite the story without the joker. I dont want another film with much joker in it anyway. I could use a break. But just like the Scarecrow appeared in TDK binding the two films together, and since the joker could never stand still for long, i think it would be good if he had a small role in the sequel. It would feel awkward if after all this **** in TDK the joker was nowhere to be heard in the sequel.
I say recast. The new actor doesnt have to bring new things to the table. Just do Ledger's joker. Its the joker of the franchise and should stay the same.

To include him for a few scenes is just...******ed! It'll piss fans off. The Joker, who has now become the one of the most iconic villains in modern cinema, goes from being the big bad to a simple cameo? That'd be the equivalent of Darth Vader being killed off in the first few scenes in Return of the Jedi. Actually, now that I think of it, Lucas did something similar to a less important character, Boba Fett. Fett, who goes from being a relative badass in Empire Strikes Back to little more than a cameo in Return of the Jedi is considered by fans of the Star Wars series to be one of the worst mistakes of the original trilogy.

And I'm no saying no one can imitate the Joker. Heck, I saw a lot of people do that at Halloween. I'm just saying it would be a stupid idea because it is exactly as you put it - an imitation. Not the real thing. And even though the Joker may not be Ledger's, that character certainly was. Every actor to portray the Joker has had a different take on the character. Cesar Romero's Joker is different from Jack Nicholson's Joker is different from Mark Hamill's Joker is different from Heath Ledger's Joker.

The best way to deal with the whole situation would be to kill him off a) off screen and b) before the movie actually begins. This way, the story can perhaps build off the Joker's death and Nolan can move the story on to the next level.

Stop living in the past; this fanboyism pisses me off.

 

[Mr. Earle]

To include him for a few scenes is just...******ed! It'll piss fans off. The Joker, who has now become the one of the most iconic villains in modern cinema, goes from being the big bad to a simple cameo? That'd be the equivalent of Darth Vader being killed off in the first few scenes in Return of the Jedi. Actually, now that I think of it, Lucas did something similar to a less important character, Boba Fett. Fett, who goes from being a relative badass in Empire Strikes Back to little more than a cameo in Return of the Jedi is considered by fans of the Star Wars series to be one of the worst mistakes of the original trilogy.

And I'm no saying no one can imitate the Joker. Heck, I saw a lot of people do that at Halloween. I'm just saying it would be a stupid idea because it is exactly as you put it - an imitation. Not the real thing. And even though the Joker may not be Ledger's, that character certainly was. Every actor to portray the Joker has had a different take on the character. Cesar Romero's Joker is different from Jack Nicholson's Joker is different from Mark Hamill's Joker is different from Heath Ledger's Joker.

The best way to deal with the whole situation would be to kill him off a) off screen and b) before the movie actually begins. This way, the story can perhaps build off the Joker's death and Nolan can move the story on to the next level.

Stop living in the past; this fanboyism pisses me off.

Well i think that many roles have been recasted and the new actor played the character as his predecessor left him. Like it or not, thats how the joker is in the nolanverse, so for continuity purposes he should stay the same.

Also, his role in the next film was supposed to be supporting anyway. Another villain was going to be the main bad guy.