BvS Would Richard Grayson be part of this movie? - Part 1

[Smallville13]

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to Carrie Kelley, but nulling Dick out of the DCCU is quite a loss.

Maybe they're leaving it up in the air for Affleck and (sigh) Geoff Johns to figure out what they want to do.

 

[Airwings]

How to do flashbacks to both Jason's and Dick's Robins?

 

[Smallville13]

On another note does anyone find it a bit odd that Bruce has put that Robin costume up on display as is... Like kinda a weird way to honor whomever Robin...

Never in the comics did he put Jason's tarnished, tattered up costume up on display like that.

 

[sdc10]

On another note does anyone find it a bit odd that Bruce has put that Robin costume up on display as is... Like kinda a weird way to honor whomever Robin...

Never in the comics did he put Jason's tarnished, tattered up costume up on display like that.

Thats just not true

http://ozandends.blogspot.com/2011/02/jason-todds-memorial-trophy-case.html

 

[Boy Scout]

Yaaaaaaaas.

It would be a shock to many (comic book fans), I believe they would be aware of that.

What I was saying is that I doubt they made any of their decisions with the intention to piss anybody off.

Because, many don't give a **** about Jason (yours truly included t.

Which is fine, but you don't have to care about Jason to feel sympathy for Bruce.

No. Simpler =/= simpler. It is not necessary to make it simpler, but it would be avoiding altogether what potentially might be a complicated, convoluted universe that is confusing to your general viewer.

What's complicated or confusing about it? One Robin left and one Robin died. That's really all that needs to be said.

Who would you guys like to see cast as Robin?

Depends on which one you're referring to.

I'd like Taron Egerton to play either Dick or Tim. I thought he was great in Kingsman and is in great shape.[/QUOTE]

He's way too young for Dick.

 

[Smallville13]

Thats just not true

http://ozandends.blogspot.com/2011/02/jason-todds-memorial-trophy-case.html

'tarnished, tattered up'

On display yes, but he cleaned it up to honor and respect his 'good soldier'.

 

[Lencho01]

It's interesting how much this is pretty much the Batsuit (texture, musculature, etc.), but made with average Robin elements. The "R" looks weird to me, though.

 

[jmc]

If any Robin is going to be dead it's going to be Dick Grayson, because no-one else knows about Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne, Stephanie Brown or Carrie Kelly.

 

[KillerWolf]

What I was saying is that I doubt they made any of their decisions with the intention to piss anybody off.

Ah, that. No they surely didn't. But they probably counted on emotional investment of fans when it comes to Dick Grayson.

Which is fine, but you don't have to care about Jason to feel sympathy for Bruce.

That is true.

What's complicated or confusing about it? One Robin left and one Robin died. That's really all that needs to be said.

But when in the narrative to say this? Why is it important to be mentioned in the film if the character of Dick Grayson will never appear and won't play important role in the plot? Audience would expect him to make appearance then. I get what you're saying and I agree to an extent, but only because there's a history in other medium behind this movie, we feel that this should be mentioned. If you look at film as standalone work without any ties of the kind, then it would not be important element in the film. Exposition that reveals that there was another Robin before the one who died would probably fall into the category of "information dump".

 

[sdc10]

'tarnished, tattered up'

On display yes, but he cleaned it up to honor and respect his 'good soldier'.

Depends on how you look at it. Tarnished and tattered up serves as a good reminder of the risks in that job and of past mistakes to hopefully not repeat them again.

 

[lanesrader]

It's not the same tombstone. The one in the second picture is much more far back.

I think they are. The pics are taken in different angles.

 

[KillerWolf]

I think they are. The pics are taken in different angles.

I've taken this into consideration, but it still looks far too in the back to me. I could be wrong though.

 

[jrmtz543]

I love the costume, but the graffiti seems too "obvious." Just "Ha Ha" or "Joke's on you" would've been enough for me.

 

[DaveMoral]

I love the costume, but the graffiti seems too "obvious." Just "Ha Ha" or "Joke's on you" would've been enough for me.

Have you SEEN the Joker that did this?

 

[jrmtz543]

Have you SEEN the Joker that did this?

Yes

 

[Boy Scout]

If any Robin is going to be dead it's going to be Dick Grayson, because no-one else knows about Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne, Stephanie Brown or Carrie Kelly.

I seriously doubt that very many people in the general audience know the names of any of the Robins off the tops of their heads. To them, a dead sidekick is a dead sidekick.

Ah, that. No they surely didn't. But they probably counted on emotional investment of fans when it comes to Dick Grayson.

Surely they would've also anticipated the supreme backlash that would likely accompany the revelation?

But when in the narrative to say this?

I couldn't possibly tell you that, given how little we know about the film. Personally, I'd spread it out.

Although...

"20 years in Gotham. How many good guys are left? How many of them stayed that way?"

That sounds like setup for exposition.

Why is it important to be mentioned in the film if the character of Dick Grayson will never appear and won't play important role in the plot?

1) It would add to Bruce's anguish. One son is dead and the other one hates him. Having no one is one thing; being estranged from one of the only people capable of comforting and understanding you is another, and is arguably worse.

2) World building.

Audience would expect him to make appearance then.

And, eventually, he would.

If you look at film as standalone work without any ties of the kind, then it would not be important element in the film.

I disagree.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

"Haha jokes on you" is too obvious as opposed to just "haha" or just "jokes on you" ... epitome of nit picking right there.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Mah name is Blake Robin Grayson.

 

[jrmtz543]

"Haha jokes on you" is too obvious as opposed to just "haha" or just "jokes on you" ... epitome of nit picking right there.

Just an opinion. Felt it could be simpler, "cleaner."

Perhaps the way to handle the death is simply to say "Robin died" without saying which one. Then, in the solo film, whether it's Dick or Jason can be explored.

 

[antoineflemming]

There's nothing wrong with the text on the Robin suit. And, in case anyone doubts that this is from the Joker, Zack Snyder responded to David Ayer's Joker reveal (on Twitter) with that exact phrase.

 

[antoineflemming]

I don't think the gloves are green, btw. They looked black, as did the boots.

 

[jrmtz543]

There's nothing wrong with the text on the Robin suit. And, in case anyone doubts that this is from the Joker, Zack Snyder responded to David Ayer's Joker reveal (on Twitter) with that exact phrase.

Not sure anybody doubted it was from the Joker. I mean, it's very, very clear.

 

[craigdbfan]

Going back to the good guys left in Gotham part of the dialogue I firmly believe it's in reference not only to Dent but to Todd as well. Robin goes rogue shortly before being captured by the Joker.

 

[Rapunzel]

Yeah, I think Joker wrote the graffiti, for sure. Or, Bruce is imagining it and the letter. Maybe it's part of a flashback/dream sequence?

 

[antoineflemming]

Not sure anybody doubted it was from the Joker. I mean, it's very, very clear.

I've seen some people saying that Jason Todd breaks into the Batcave and vandalizes it. Same people say that Jason Todd sends the newspaper to Bruce. I'm not buying it. Other people say Lex does that. I'm not buying that either. I absolutely think it's Joker who does that (and I don't think he'll have any other presence in the movie).