BvS Would Richard Grayson be part of this movie? - Part 1

[Vlyse]

I WANT to overanalyze and say because of the staff it's dead Tim (or Jason) just because so far this movie and the DCCU seems to be keen on details and easter eggs and so far painting a true and iconic universe.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I know Tim's a staff guy, but in a wider shot you can see it's got a weird little hook blade on one end and feet on the other, and it's shorter overall.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Almost looks like some kind of Bo staff/Kyoketsu Shoge/Kusarigama hybrid.

 

[Boy Scout]

If it's Dick who's dead, I'm going to be PISSED.

 

[KillerWolf]

If it's Dick who's dead, I'm going to be PISSED.

Well, that kinda is the point.

You'll be able to sympathize with Batman and understand his actions.

It seems clear to me that Batman is alone in this fight, so either he is not on good terms with Dick or Dick is dead. To tell you the truth, I'd like it to be Dick who's dead. It makes things simpler.

 

[Black Narcissus]

If it's Dick who's dead, I'm going to be PISSED.

The grave wasn't for show, breh. Be pissed.

Kelly ftw!

 

[PerryYellow]

Kelly was the worst freaking Robin ever. But....

LE DURK NUT RETURDS
LE GREPHIK NAVEL
LE MILLAR
LE EYECONIC

Goddamn it, if we get Carrie Kelly over the others i'm gonna rage enough to get a Red Lantern ring.

 

[matt47]

I love how he has the exact same belt and gauntlets as Batfleck, same textured suit as well.

 

[antoineflemming]

Oh, and I have one question:

How the hell is Joker still alive?

Cuz Batman doesn't kill. That's why.

 

[KillerWolf]

Cuz Batman doesn't kill. That's why.

I am not entirely sure about that when it comes to this Batman. I do hope that he doesn't though.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Snyder is a pretty big fanboy, i doubt he would make batman a murderer.

 

[KillerWolf]

Snyder is a pretty big fanboy, i doubt he would make batman a murderer.

Good point. Though first batwing shooting those guys, now neck-snap, there's plenty of theories that can explain those scenes, but I am starting to feel that we are reaching and desperately lying ourselves refusing to see what is in front of us - that Batman kills.

 

[flickchick85]

Dick's my favorite member of the Bat-family. Sharpening my pitchfork now.

 

[KillerWolf]

Dick's my favorite member of the Bat-family. Sharpening my pitchfork now.

Well, I love Dick...

Let me start again.... I love original Robin, Dick Grayson, as well, but I think that the very fact that people would be so upset if he's gone gets the point - we are supposed to feel bad about Robin's death, sympathize with Batman and justify his more violent actions as result of this. So who would be better for that than fan favorite Dick Grayson?

 

[Boy Scout]

Well, that kinda is the point.

I doubt that.

You'll be able to sympathize with Batman and understand his actions.

Why wouldn't I be able to sympathize with and understand Bruce if it were Jason who was dead?

It seems clear to me that Batman is alone in this fight, so either he is not on good terms with Dick or Dick is dead. To tell you the truth, I'd like it to be Dick who's dead. It makes things simpler.

Simpler =/= better.

Snyder is a pretty big fanboy, i doubt he would make batman a murderer.

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[flickchick85]

Well, I love Dick...

Let me start again.... I love original Robin, Dick Grayson, as well, but I think that the very fact that people would be so upset if he's gone gets the point - we are supposed to feel bad about Robin's death, sympathize with Batman and justify his more violent actions as result of this. So who would be better for that than fan favorite Dick Grayson?

There's a difference between killing a character the audience loves and never introducing them in the first place. If they had given us Dick Grayson and then killed him off, I could see your point. The situation they're presenting? Nah. A dead Robin is a dead Robin. We never met any of them, so the effect on the story they're telling is the same no matter who it is. If Dick is that dead Robin then it's potential future stories that have been screwed.

 

[BravoNolanILuvU]

If they're going for Grayson as the dead robin I think they may be trying to throw a curve ball at the people expecting Jason Todd. It might be a bit on the shock value side but that could very well be the intention.

 

[Airwings]

It would be terrible if Dick already is dead.
I do hope we'll see him in flashbacks then.

Maybe Jason Todd will be introduced in one of the Batman solos then?

 

[Sam Kaczka]

Well, that kinda is the point.

You'll be able to sympathize with Batman and understand his actions.

It seems clear to me that Batman is alone in this fight, so either he is not on good terms with Dick or Dick is dead. To tell you the truth, I'd like it to be Dick who's dead. It makes things simpler.

I'd prefer they stick with canon on this point and have it be Jason.

Kelly was the worst freaking Robin ever. But....

LE DURK NUT RETURDS
LE GREPHIK NAVEL
LE MILLAR
LE EYECONIC

Goddamn it, if we get Carrie Kelly over the others i'm gonna rage enough to get a Red Lantern ring.

I wouldn't mind seeing Batman and Carrie vs. Superman, like in "LE DURK NUT RETURDS".

I love how he has the exact same belt and gauntlets as Batfleck, same textured suit as well.

I thought it was a Batsuit when I first glanced at it.

I am not entirely sure about that when it comes to this Batman. I do hope that he doesn't though.

Me too.

Snyder is a pretty big fanboy, i doubt he would make batman a murderer.

Good point. Though first batwing shooting those guys, now neck-snap, there's plenty of theories that can explain those scenes, but I am starting to feel that we are reaching and desperately lying ourselves refusing to see what is in front of us - that Batman kills.

I have a question. Would any of you be OK with Batman just killing as long as he didn't commit murder? Or is the idea of a Batman who kills at all enough to piss you off? Remember that to kill and to commit murder are not necessarily the same thing.

I doubt that.



Why wouldn't I be able to sympathize with and understand Bruce if it were Jason who was dead?



Simpler =/= better.



I wouldn't be so sure.

Me neither.

 

[AnneFan]

If they're going for Grayson as the dead robin I think they may be trying to throw a curve ball at the people expecting Jason Todd. It might be a bit on the shock value side but that could very well be the intention.

It would be an amplified kick in the guts to have Dick Grayson as the Red Hood.

 

[Sam Kaczka]

Well, that kinda is the point.

You'll be able to sympathize with Batman and understand his actions.

It seems clear to me that Batman is alone in this fight, so either he is not on good terms with Dick or Dick is dead. To tell you the truth, I'd like it to be Dick who's dead. It makes things simpler.

I'd prefer they stick with canon on this point and have it be Jason.

Kelly was the worst freaking Robin ever. But....

LE DURK NUT RETURDS
LE GREPHIK NAVEL
LE MILLAR
LE EYECONIC

Goddamn it, if we get Carrie Kelly over the others i'm gonna rage enough to get a Red Lantern ring.

I wouldn't mind seeing Batman and Carrie vs. Superman, like in "LE DURK NUT RETURDS".

I love how he has the exact same belt and gauntlets as Batfleck, same textured suit as well.

I thought it was a Batsuit when I first glanced at it.

I am not entirely sure about that when it comes to this Batman. I do hope that he doesn't though.

Me too.

Snyder is a pretty big fanboy, i doubt he would make batman a murderer.

Good point. Though first batwing shooting those guys, now neck-snap, there's plenty of theories that can explain those scenes, but I am starting to feel that we are reaching and desperately lying ourselves refusing to see what is in front of us - that Batman kills.

I have a question. Would any of you be OK with Batman just killing as long as he didn't commit murder? Or is the idea of a Batman who kills at all enough to piss you off? Remember that to kill and to commit murder are not necessarily the same thing.

I doubt that.



Why wouldn't I be able to sympathize with and understand Bruce if it were Jason who was dead?



Simpler =/= better.



I wouldn't be so sure.

Me neither.

EDIT: Oops, sorry, my internet connection got knocked out. Didn't realize this post had already gotten through.

 

[Karem-Knight]

Killing Dick Grayson is not only stupid from a storytelling perspective, but a financial one as well. For instance, in the solo Batman films you can easily introduce Dick as Nightwing and then at some point, if he proved popular enough with audiences, give him his own Nightwing spin-off film. Something you can't do as easily with Jason Todd or Tim Drake.

One of the main reasons for this is because Dick's story is more streamlined- he was the first Robin then at some point him and Bruce either fall out or it's a case of him wanting to grow up and be his own man. He then takes up the Nightwing mantle which allows him to be part of the Bat-Family but also separate from it. His back story cab be explained in multiple films, and if given a solo movie could be expanded upon there. Plus, in the context of BvS, it probably hurts Bruce a lot more to not only have Jason dead but also the first Robin, Dick, not talking to him any more. Effectively having loosing two of his "sons", one from death and the other from just being a jackass, expands this interpretation of the character.

 

[Smallville13]

Dick Grayson and Jim Gordon's rumored deaths would be a huge blow.

Would love to see some Nightwing or Agent of Spyral in the Affleck-Snyderverse.

Not to mention Bryan Cranston being born to play the Commish.

 

[Lobo]

We had rumors of a Red Hood movie, so I'm hoping it's Jason's suit we see, and that Dick is on bad terms with Bruce and has made a new life for himself in Bludhaven.

 

[craigaat]

It's a staff. Tim Drake uses it, since Shiva gave him. I am quite sure it is Dick Grayson Joker killed though.

Looks like two separate pieces to me. Grayson for sure.

 

[PerryYellow]

I dont like how buff the Robin suit is. Even if he's an adult, he's too big. He looks like he came out of the Arkham games. You know, where a person's bicep is twice the size of their head.