something that was sorely missing from the latest film. In SR they seemed like two people on a blind date who were supposed to be together "just because"....
I didnt like the idea of adding Lois to the SV cast at all, until after seeing about the first 2 minutes of her and Clark together in the season 4 premiere. Cool video, show how well those two play off one another
The best excuse for a Superman movie w/ the relevant SV cast and story? So we can finally allow Erica and Tom to explore the Lois/Clark relationship. Seriously, even sans dialogue these two just ooze chemistry. http://livedigital.com/content/355951/
Now that's a very good reason in my book . Erica & tom do share an amazing Chemistry together as Lois & Clark should. However we haven't been able to see it in it's full form. I a romantic way . Due to the fact ... Now is not the time or place for these two to have a romantic relationship .
something that was sorely missing from the latest film. In SR they seemed like two people on a blind date who were supposed to be together "just because"....
Yes & No, I for one still saw these two were still very much madly in love with each . However things had change .
Lois had a right to tell Superman off , He made the choice to leave her & The world behind to go and see if their was anyone else like him that may have survied Krypton's death . [ While his motive was good, his mistake was not telling Lois what he was planing to do.] Of course if he did, he wouldn't been able to leave. Because Lois would've found away to stop him from going.
So Sups left for 5 years forcing Lois & The World to move on without him . until Lois meet Richard , she was sad , because not only did The Man of her dreams leave her, Her friend Clark Kent left too . When Ricard came into the picture he protrade both Clark & Sups in his characther [Clark as a good Reporter] & [a good man like Superman] Lois couldn't help but fall in love with him.
But When Sups came back, she was catch between her love for Superman, and her love for her son Jason and Richard the man who taken care of her while her MAN OF STEEL was away .
In the end Lois relized no matter how much she cared for Richard, her heart still belongs to SUPERMAN, and now that she knows Jason his son.
I thought Kate & Brandon had an amazing Chemistry . The scene with her on the roof of The Daily Planet & then the romantic flight scene . Showed me they have great Chemistry .
As Lois & Clark, I still saw the spark, but not the same as when it's SUPERMAN & Lois .
But then again in the movies
SUPERMAN/Kal-EL - is the real deal -{that's the way it should be}
&
Mild mannered reporter Clark Kent is - The disguise
I thought Kate & Brandon had an amazing Chemistry . The scene with her on the roof of The Daily Planet & then the romantic flight scene . Showed me they have great Chemistry .
As Lois & Clark, I still saw the spark, but not the same as when it's SUPERMAN & Lois .
But then again in the movies
SUPERMAN/Kal-EL - is the real deal -{that's the way it should be}
&
Mild mannered reporter Clark Kent is - The disguise
For me Clark is the real person and Superman is the disguise. Take for example, lets say u where born in Ingland and ur birth name was Franko but for some strange reason u where given up for adoption and the nice ppl that took u in gave u the name of Jason and moved to the U.S with the new family. U are raised by them with some strong values and then u find out u where an adoptive son. Now answer me this. Who are u? Who do u feel u are? Are u Franko or Jason? are u Inglish or American? Would u change ur name back?
I thought Kate & Brandon had an amazing Chemistry . The scene with her on the roof of The Daily Planet & then the romantic flight scene . Showed me they have great Chemistry .
oh c'mon now, it's okay to be the slightest bit objective. I could see if you said they had "some chemistry" or you thought it was "OK" or even that you liked it, but to go as far as to say the two of them were "amazing" is just ridiculous and shows it's probably pointless to debate the topic with someone wearing the fanboy denial blinders.
Bosworth is a very weak actress who was playing a role that was way over her head, not to mention she looked way too young for it. Having her acting off a screen noob like Routh just exascerbated the problem. At least in Spider-man and Batman Begins you had weak actresses like Dunst and Holmes acting off of seasoned thesps like Maguire and Bale who were able to somewhat mask their partners shortcomings and sell the attraction. Here we had no such luck, which resulted in a lot of odd and seemingly uncomfortable scenes between the two of them where you didnt quite feel why these two people would want to be together, other than the fact that they were Superman and Lois Lane, and it's supposed to be that way. As much as I loathed the Lois and Clark TV show, Cain and Hatcher had a decent chemistry and played off one another very well. I didnt see anything even close to that with this film. None of the emotion was sold very well. I cared more about Richard White than I di either Lois or Superman or their "love affair".
As I read posts in here, and in the SR boards I have to question how ignorant and/or stupid people are. People are ignorant of the fact that SV has made more positive cash flow then SR will EVER make, or they know and theyre just being stupid for the sake of it.
Its insulting to read that SV should get the proverbial bone thrown its way in the form of a DTV movie, while SR deserves a motion picture sequel. Is anyone paying attention? SR will not even make a third of the positive cash flow SV has made in the last 5 years (and if it even gets to a third Ill be impressed).
I tolerated reading stuff about how SR was the right way to go for faaar too long -- mostly because I had no evidence to argue otherwise. Those days are over. Anyone else remember reading how SR would make in one movie all the money SV has made over the last 5 years? That SR was the right business move? That SV wasnt anywhere near as popular as SR was going to be?
Money talks and its telling you otherwise folks; SR isnt in the same financial league as SV theyre not even playing the same sport. Thats how much separates them in terms of profitability.
Oh yeah, lets keep the cash cow relegated to nothingness, while the black hole of money should keep going. Thats totally fair.
They obviously had no idea this would happen, I was here, waiting & hoping for it to happen, & I couldn't be happier now.. because this is EXACTLY what some of them deserve.
You shouldn't pay so much attention to what some SR fanboys say on a message board though.
oh c'mon now, it's okay to be the slightest bit objective. I could see if you said they had "some chemistry" or you thought it was "OK" or even that you liked it, but to go as far as to say the two of them were "amazing" is just ridiculous and shows it's probably pointless to debate the topic with someone wearing the fanboy denial blinders.
Bosworth is a very weak actress who was playing a role that was way over her head, not to mention she looked way too young for it. Having her acting off a screen noob like Routh just exascerbated the problem. At least in Spider-man and Batman Begins you had weak actresses like Dunst and Holmes acting off of seasoned thesps like Maguire and Bale who were able to somewhat mask their partners shortcomings and sell the attraction. Here we had no such luck, which resulted in a lot of odd and seemingly uncomfortable scenes between the two of them where you didnt quite feel why these two people would want to be together, other than the fact that they were Superman and Lois Lane, and it's supposed to be that way. As much as I loathed the Lois and Clark TV show, Cain and Hatcher had a decent chemistry and played off one another very well. I didnt see anything even close to that with this film. None of the emotion was sold very well. I cared more about Richard White than I di either Lois or Superman or their "love affair".
Oh, Hulk Lois and Clark was as corny and cheesy as heck, but the characterization and interaction was top notch. Teri made a great Lois, and the chemistry between the actors was perfect. It was at least interesting to watch for that fact.
Fortunately with Smallville, we get the great chemestry,interaction,and characterization without most of the cheez. I still love L&C though.
Oh, Hulk Lois and Clark was as corny and cheesy as heck, but the characterization and interaction was top notch. Teri made a great Lois, and the chemistry between the actors was perfect. It was at least interesting to watch for that fact.
I wasn't a big fan of L&C, but I did like Hatcher's Lois - probably more than any other Lois.
I like ED, but I'm not crazy about some of the things they've done with her character. Hopefully, it's just a phase. I can see ED's Lois maturing into more of the kind of Lois I want to see though. We seem to see more and more flashes of it as we get to know her character better.
They obviously had no idea this would happen, I was here, waiting & hoping for it to happen, & I couldn't be happier now.. because this is EXACTLY what some of them deserve.
You shouldn't pay so much attention to what some SR fanboys say on a message board though.
Why not? Are you saying Superman fans that actually prefer what Singer did to Smallville ignorant? It's so funny how divided the Superman Community is, and if we got a SV film instead, I believe the same thing would have happened anyway.
SV might have a nice profit margin and is popular within it's demographic, but going by viewers, which means basic popularity for the most part, it's not even in the Top 60 television shows.
No that's not what I meant, and I wasn't talking about ALL the members of the SR board obviously, I just hate the blind fanboyism some of them seem to have.
No that's not what I meant, and I wasn't talking about ALL the members of the SR board obviously, I just hate the blind fanboyism some of them seem to have.
Kal, for more specifics on the big picture, just take a gander at this article.
Keeping things on topic here, I still think $150M budget (as noted in that article above) is STILL too much, especially if the next film ends up being a restart, SV-based or otherwise.
Thought I should let you know I borrowed your link to the article yesterday and pasted it in the SR Sequels thread. Seems like a few others found it later and now it's making the rounds over there. You should check it out.
A good flight scene cant be cheap, (according to the folks at SV anyway) so 150 may be about right. Again an SV movie may not need a total re-start but showing Clarks first day at the planet would almost be a must have.
Agreed! No need to redo the origin, but like SV's "new power" episodes, there's more appeal in scenes of discovery (usually associated with origin stories) and showing real world reactions to fantastical events ("money" shots). In fact, it was Scott's first vague descriptions of SR over at BT's that appealed to me the most because I *thought* that's what we were getting: what would happen in the real world if a flying man wearing a colorful costume just showed up one day and started saving lives? How would people react?
This is not something we'll see play out in SV due to the nature of the show, but it's a PERFECT place to (re)start the franchise, IMHO. Jonathan is already dead, so we can't unring that bell, but the FOS is in place and so are the interpersonal relationships among a previously established full cast (Lex, Lois, Perry, Jimmy, etc.) Action could pick up basically wherever SV ended - presumably with Clark donning the suit in Metropolis and having already assumed a mild-mannered (quirky?) MCK disguise. The plot would NOT require that audiences see the show in order to understand what's going on. For example, Lois' crush on Superman is obvious - what woman wouldn't go all ga ga over that? But Clark's secret attraction to Lois is a much deeper thing. That would have already been explored in the series ('cause apparently, both Donner and Singer felt it wasn't necessary to explore in the films. "People will just get it," I suppose was the conceit.)
Another alternative for where to (re)start would be to show Clark in world-travel mode ala Birthright, and have him end up in Metropolis by the end of the first act. Regardless, a SV film should be a self-contained film ABOUT Superman.
As to budget, I see where you're coming from with the flying FX, though I think they did a re-heeeely good job with it in Crusade, and that whole episode probably ran 'em in the neighborhood of about 4 bills. Not bad considering the bank robbery scene in SR cost about a million dollars per minute and was only added to demonstrate Supes' invulnerability. Kind of a silly waste of moolah IMHO, but whatever. What was it that Hulk said the other day? Substance over style? Indeed.
That said, I'm all for spectacle. Bigger. Stronger. Faster. J'know? LOL I want to LAUGH and enjoy the experience on a physical level ("thigh-slappin' good") as well as an emotional one. SV is one of the few shows that deliver a fun ride as well as heart and soul. It's not all action, but it's not all touchy feely either. It has a nice balance of the two, and most importantly, its foundation is built around characters I *want* to care about. (Well, maybe not Lana. J/K!!!) It's the emotional attachment to *these* characters that make it special. It's because of who they are in this version of the mythos, not necessarily who they'll be, who they are, or who they were in other versions of the tale. The audience got to see Clark and Co. go through high school, graduate into college, and then move on to the Daily Planet. We got to see Lex as a good man, and all of the elements that contributed to his eventual downfall.
Even non-origin films show back stories. Well, the successful ones do, anyway. Look at Spider-Man 2. The audience was introduced to the villain *before* he went bad. Doc Ock was introduced as a likable, gentle man, so that when he became the super-powered villain, there would be more emotional conflict in his battles and eventual defeat by the end of the film. In contrast, did anybody *care* at ALL that
Lex Luthor was stranded on an island with his moll at the end of SR?
Jeeze, it wasn't even a funny demise. It was just hollow and dumb (IMHO). And unlike S-M2's potential new future villain Harry Osborn, I could give a rat's patootie if
SR's Lex
returns for a sequel.
These are the sorts of things that make origin stories so compelling, and it's why SV fans want to see "their" gang continue into the future. SV is its own origin and continues to adapt the mythos in unique and entertaining ways. Why stop now?
Thought I should let you know I borrowed your link to the article yesterday and pasted it in the SR Sequels thread. Seems like a few others found it later and now it's making the rounds over there. You should check it out.
LOL! I can't keep up with posts over yonder. Hell, I'm lucky I catch most of 'em here! It was an interesting article though. I'm sure they're having "fun" with it.
With Superman Returns not connecting with the public, lacking rewatchable quality, and being lackluster at the box office, the time for Smallville is NOW. If Gough and Millar believe that Smallville could lead into a new movie franchise, pull out all the stops and have a kick ass season that leads up to Superman debuting and Clark starting his job at the Daily Planet, and lets do Superman: Year One starring Welling, Rosenbaum, and Durance. If it's gonna happen, it's got to be now.
Another alternative for where to (re)start would be to show Clark in world-travel mode ala Birthright, and have him end up in Metropolis by the end of the first act. Regardless, a SV film should be a self-contained film ABOUT Superman.
My thoughts exactly!
A rebooted Superman movie using the cast of SV should follow the Batman Begins template. Make the first act about Clark's self-discovery as he travels the world saving lives in secret. The second act is his arrival in Metropolis and the development of his attraction to Lois. The third act is his triumph over Lex (who's taken his meteor rock obsession to dangerous levels. Experimenting on felons and ex-cons in order to create super-soldier tech he'd sell via LuthorCorp. Even giving dangerous con man and ex-Planet staffer John Corben a new lease on life with a cyborg skeleton run on Kryptonite).
retconned said:
CHALLENEGE TO SMALLVILLE: SEIZE THIS MOMENT...
With Superman Returns not connecting with the public, lacking rewatchable quality, and being lackluster at the box office, the time for Smallville is NOW. If Gough and Millar believe that Smallville could lead into a new movie franchise, pull out all the stops and have a kick ass season that leads up to Superman debuting and Clark starting his job at the Daily Planet, and lets do Superman: Year One starring Welling, Rosenbaum, and Durance. If it's gonna happen, it's got to be now.
Even non-origin films show back stories. Well, the successful ones do, anyway. Look at Spider-Man 2. The audience was introduced to the villain *before* he went bad. Doc Ock was introduced as a likable, gentle man, so that when he became the super-powered villain, there would be more emotional conflict in his battles and eventual defeat by the end of the film. In contrast, did anybody *care* at ALL that
Lex Luthor was stranded on an island with his moll at the end of SR?
Jeeze, it wasn't even a funny demise. It was just hollow and dumb (IMHO). And unlike S-M2's potential new future villain Harry Osborn, I could give a rat's patootie if
SR's Lex
returns for a sequel.
These are the sorts of things that make origin stories so compelling, and it's why SV fans want to see "their" gang continue into the future. SV is its own origin and continues to adapt the mythos in unique and entertaining ways. Why stop now?
Your post is a home run. That's what I felt while watching Spacey's Lex. I didn't care at all or understood him. One thing about our Lex is that we understand him and why it's such a tragedy what's happaned to him and why we inevitably end up hating him. Everything he does in the show has a purpose, an intention and it's so easy to care for him in a positive or negative way. I didn't care for Spacey's Lex one way or another. It just seemed they were trying to pass along the idea that this was a more sinister Lex but they stuck to their intentions. Sadly, I say because I'm a big fan of his.
To me Season 6 should end with Clark leaving to travel the world and Lex killing Lionel. That could be an opening for either a season 7 or a movie. I always hoped they did Superman For All Seasons as a movie maybe with a little mixture from Birthright.
I WISH I could say I wrote that. Man! Talk about reading my mind. That guy said everything I'd want to say and then some. Can somebody PLEASE send that to Warners? Please? I'm begging here. THAT's what I want to see!
I WISH I could say I wrote that. Man! Talk about reading my mind. That guy said everything I'd want to say and then some. Can somebody PLEASE send that to Warners? Please? I'm begging here. THAT's what I want to see!
How about this? For All Season, Birthright and LL: Man of Steel adapted into a feature-length film trilogy starring Welling, Rosenbaum, Durance, O'Toole, Stamp, McKean and Ashmore? With a special appearance by Schneider and Glover? I'm there!
I WISH I could say I wrote that. Man! Talk about reading my mind. That guy said everything I'd want to say and then some. Can somebody PLEASE send that to Warners? Please? I'm begging here. THAT's what I want to see!
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I can see ED's Lois maturing into more of the kind of Lois I want to see though. We seem to see more and more flashes of it as we get to know her character better.
J/K!!!) It's the emotional attachment to *these* characters that make it special. It's because of who they are in this version of the mythos, not necessarily who they'll be, who they are, or who they were in other versions of the tale. The audience got to see Clark and Co. go through high school, graduate into college, and then move on to the Daily Planet. We got to see Lex as a good man, and all of the elements that contributed to his eventual downfall. 
