Would You Have Prefered a Smallville Movie?

[darkzombiemutt]

we'll he was at one point, but he got better.

 

[AgentPat]

...Smallville did things like the death of Superman waaaaayyyyy better IMO.

"I don't know if you can even hear me..."

I swear, I laughed out loud. People thought I was off my rocker. I think one person got it though. Inside joke, doncha know?

 

[Hollywoodland]

Theres something that never made sense to me, maybe you could explain it?

When Clark was pronounced dead, and then disapeared from his hospital bed and returned alive, what was his explanation to the public about that? I would have thought it would have been solid proof enough to Lex, Lana, the hospital etc that Clark isnt human.

With all the doctors outside the door, I didnt think there was any way he could have got out of them room besides being teleported somehow. I wonder why no one realized that.

 

[NHawk19]

^^You really should have been here around the time of that ep.

 

[AgentPat]

Theres something that never made sense to me, maybe you could explain it?

When Clark was pronounced dead, and then disappeared from his hospital bed and returned alive, what was his explanation to the public about that? I would have thought it would have been solid proof enough to Lex, Lana, the hospital etc that Clark isn't human.

With all the doctors outside the door, I didn't think there was any way he could have got out of them room besides being teleported somehow. I wonder why no one realized that.

At the time, he *was* human. All of his medical tests showed that, so there wouldn't have been any suspicion of Clark along those lines. That said, it was never revealed exactly what Clark told Lana about his apparent resurrection and where he went afterwards. HOW he got to the FOS was explained, however. Jor-El (in Lionel) retrieved Clark's body at the hospital and used the portal in the cave to transport them both to the FOS. Clark naturally healed when he got his powers back, which effectively made him "not" human anymore.

Yeah, gotta agree with Mutt on this one. SV did an amazing job with those scenes. Hidden was an AMAZING episode. Top three EVER in my book. Yup.

 

[Hollywoodland]

But humans dont disapear into mid-air and return from the dead? I just never understood how he could explain his way out of that one, not just to Lana but to Smallville medical as well. I wonder how Lex rationalized that one too.

Would have needed a pretty creative explaination.

I did think it was a good episode though, I just wish the death/ressurection thing was handled with a bit more care.

 

[AgentPat]

But humans dont disapear into mid-air and return from the dead? I just never understood how he could explain his way out of that one, not just to Lana but to Smallville medical as well.

I dunno. Guess it's just a conceit of the tale. I have a hard time understanding how folks don't recognize Clark as Superman as well. LOL

 

[darkzombiemutt]

Clarked simply weaseled his way out of it. Lex even makes comments on how F'ed up that situation was. Lana is simply happy he is ok and is willing not to push the issue. I'm sure Jonathan covered up what he needed to, thats his job. The Kents have been doing that his whole life.

 

[xii22_loop]

poor little kids are probably so confused, so theres smallville and the superman movie and some cartoons. but all different realities and stories, ahh the confusion for the wee ones.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

kids are smarter then you give em credit for. TV, Comics and movies are all different, not to mention, they are probably not as insane as all of us for following them all so closely, they have better things to do.

 

[Hollywoodland]

I dunno. Guess it's just a conceit of the tale. I have a hard time understanding how folks don't recognize Clark as Superman as well. LOL

Actually yeah. I just realized that may be a challenging issue to deal with in future seasons. It really occured to me that some creative unique writing from the show's staff may be needed to explain it when I saw this posted in the shh general film forum

Can someone ask Steve Deknight in the next chat about his ideas on how to handle this? Personally I find it quite fascinating and I cant wait for a cool explanation for this.

If the explanation is great, hopefully it rubs off onto the current comics!

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Lol

 

[AgentPat]

Aight, I know this aint a manip thread, but that manip ^^ made me laugh. And it made me think of this one from Adenjo...

"You're not foolin' me, CLARK!"

Hee!

Okay, now back to the discussion at hand.

 

[triplet]

At the time, he *was* human. All of his medical tests showed that, so there wouldn't have been any suspicion of Clark along those lines. That said, it was never revealed exactly what Clark told Lana about his apparent resurrection and where he went afterwards. HOW he got to the FOS was explained, however. Jor-El (in Lionel) retrieved Clark's body at the hospital and used the portal in the cave to transport them both to the FOS. Clark naturally healed when he got his powers back, which effectively made him "not" human anymore.

Yeah, gotta agree with Mutt on this one. SV did an amazing job with those scenes. Hidden was an AMAZING episode. Top three EVER in my book. Yup.

He was healed before he got his powers back since he was up and walking around before Lion-el hugged Clark, which is when I thought he got his powers restored.

Or, at least that's what I thought caused that flash of light that surrounded Clark when Lion-el hugged him....

 

[avidreader]

we'll he was at one point, but he got better.

He did indeed. I think he had grown out of that by the time he was 15.

 

[AgentPat]

He was healed before he got his powers back since he was up and walking around before Lion-el hugged Clark, which is when I thought he got his powers restored.

Or, at least that's what I thought caused that flash of light that surrounded Clark when Lion-el hugged him....

Tought to say. I think it could be interpreted either way because they really didn't make it clear exactly what that light was supposed to be. It seems rather easy if it was a bestowment of powers however because how could Lionel do that? (Then again, he zapped Fine too, so who knows?) And does that mean the FOS has some hi-tech way (the pedestal) for bringing people back from the dead? Then there's the dialog, which admittedly was somewhat vague, but seemed to indicate the deed had already been done. If it was just a life force exchange, why did Jor-El say Clark's "mortal" journey was over (before the hug)? I equated one ("rectification") with the other (transmogrification from human to Kryptonian), which by extension comes with it powers and abilities resultant of exposure to Earth's yellow sun.

I dunno. While it was done really well, that whole scene had more holes than a wedge of Swiss Cheese. LOL

• Out of the blue, both characters are wearing their typical clothing (Clark in blue and red, Lionel in his business suit), when just before, they were in hospital type garb. What did Jor-El do on the way to the Fortress? It wasn't just a dream, or was it?
• The life force exchange for Clark was immediate, so logically one would assume that whomever it was taken from should have dropped dead right then and there. Why the delay?
• Why should this energy have to come from someone Clark loves?
• The ease at which Jor-El can turn Clark Kryptonian to human without even touching him (Arrival) and then back to Kryptonian again - but have to touch him the second time (Hidden) - is just a leeeeeeeetle far fetched given the conceits already made within the show and the genre.

All that said, I gave the scene a pass because it was beautifully shot and wonderfully acted. The dialog pulled on the heartstrings and laid the foundation for the first half of the season right up through Reckoning. For a two minute scene, it was really quite amazing.

 

[Hollywoodland]

The lifeforce transfer and the whole concept behind it was magic based, not technology, so I guess it doesnt have to make logical sense.

Jor-El is a spirit or ghost in the Smallville universe I think.

 

[AgentPat]

The lifeforce transfer and the whole concept behind it was magic based, not technology, so I guess it doesnt have to make logical sense.

Even magic *should* make some sense, though the use of "magic" in that scene wasn't really established either. Unlike episodes such as Jinx or Spell, no wand was waved or magical incantation spoken.

In my mind, characters shouldn't just all of a sudden show up wearing different clothes without some sort of explanation. A title crawl or scene fade eluding to additional time having passed, dialog indicating a reason for such a need, or even a genie blink is better than nothing at all. It's nitpicking, but overly blatant faux pas in story or editing pull the viewer out of the fiction if it doesn't make sense within the conceit of the fiction itself. But that's JMHO.

 

[Hollywoodland]

Oh I wasnt talking about Lionel changing clothes. I meant about the concept of lifeforce transfer and the delayed reaction of someone else's lifeforce being sacrified.

It seems more on the magical or mystical side of things. Smallville seems to draw out alot of those supernatural aspects like the afterlife in Void.

It doesnt seem unbelieveable for 'Jor-El' to have the power to ressurect the dead considering hes a ghost himself.

Since Zod is a spirit too, I strongly believe theres only one force in the universe that can save Clark and the rest of the world ...

The Ghostbusters!


About the changing clothes thing, no idea on that one.

 

[Squatlow]

in my book, it actually is a Small Movie every week..

AMEN!

And I agree with DZM. I've always thought 'Metropolis' (post-SV/same basic cast) would be wonderful as a seasonal 6-8 hour miniseries on a network like HBO although I could stand it if it were on SciFi. However on HBO, they could really get into character development in interesting ways, especially if the right people wrote the scripts. Can you imagine turning Millar/Gough loose on HBO. Boggles the mind.

Alas however, I dream...



(yeah I know; I'm replying to stuff said on page 1, but I've been out of internet range since page 1 so you just havta bear with me! And now back to the current discussion...)

I've always suspected the explanation of Jor-El will turn out to be like the movie "Frequency". Jor-El is speaking through time via Kryptonian crystal technology to his son. He's dead in current time and will remain that way. Anyhoo, thats my idea. Okay, off to other things now...

 

[Hollywoodland]

I remember when watching the dvds, I think they actually even called him a spirit on the show once.

 

[Serene]

AMEN!

And I agree with DZM. I've always thought 'Metropolis' (post-SV/same basic cast) would be wonderful as a seasonal 6-8 hour miniseries on a network like HBO although I could stand it if it were on SciFi.

From your mouth to..someone with a lot of money's ears.

My ideal situation would have been for them to have waited until SV ended (with the requisite shirt-rip - credits roll), then produced a big screen/big budget film depicting Clark's arrival in Metropolis and the DP and, of course, using Tom as Superman. Lois and Lex are details that could be worked out. I kind of wish Lois had left at the end of S5 to pursue bigger things, so the door would be open to having her and Clark run into each other later on at the DP where she would by then be the more experienced journalist and still fond of teasing the little farmboy.

As far as which would have made more money.. it's impossible to say, but here's something interesting that happened during my vacation this past week. One of our tablemates was a 21 y/o girl, and when the subject of movies came up she commented, negatively, on the new SR movie. I asked her if she'd seen it yet, and she hadn't, but wasn't planning on it either, due to a complete lack of interest, and her feeling that BR was "flat and dull" based on his MTV appearance. I swear, I hadn't said a WORD about SV or Tom. Later when SV did come up in conversation, she asked me why Tom wasn't playing Superman in the movie (since he's "so gorgeous."). I just sighed...and agreed.

So I guess I can't really answer the poll. Yes, I'd prefer a SV-based/related movie, but not at the expense of the past and future seasons.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

From your mouth to..someone with a lot of money's ears.

My ideal situation would have been for them to have waited until SV ended (with the requisite shirt-rip - credits roll), then produced a big screen/big budget film depicting Clark's arrival in Metropolis and the DP and, of course, using Tom as Superman. Lois and Lex are details that could be worked out. I kind of wish Lois had left at the end of S5 to pursue bigger things, so the door would be open to having her and Clark run into each other later on at the DP where she would by then be the more experienced journalist and still fond of teasing the little farmboy.

I think that torwards the end of the show or even before that they have to do a 10 years later to resolve that situation.
If we never get to see such a movie, I hope they end season 6 with Lex killing Lionel and Clark leaving to travel the world and then season 7 should be divided in 2, the first half would show him travelling the world in a Birthright like manner (and they can film it in Vancouver all the same - hell they even made that location out to be Indonesia in one episode...lol) and acepting his destiny and by the same token they should show Lex's rise to power and then the latter half of the season would be with him coming to work in the Daily Planet with Lois and being Superman.
That way everybody would be satisfied, those that want to see Tom as Superman and those who want a spinoff show (which I think would be too much) and get their Lois and Clark but only for 11 episodes.
But if it were up to me I would prefer a theatrical movie any day of the week. Al and Miles wrote Spidey 2 so they are perfectly capable of writing a very good Superman movie filled with soul and lots of action too with a decent budget.

 

[avidreader]

I swear, I hadn't said a WORD about SV or Tom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell us another one.

Even magic *should* make some sense, though the use of "magic" in that scene wasn't really established either. Unlike episodes such as Jinx or Spell, no wand was waved or magical incantation spoken.

In my mind, characters shouldn't just all of a sudden show up wearing different clothes without some sort of explanation. A title crawl or scene fade eluding to additional time having passed, dialog indicating a reason for such a need, or even a genie blink is better than nothing at all. It's nitpicking, but overly blatant faux pas in story or editing pull the viewer out of the fiction if it doesn't make sense within the conceit of the fiction itself. But that's JMHO.

There is a theory reigning on the internet boards that Lionel is actually the Eradicator (especially with the white eyes) and I think Bruce Wayne has always been a firm believer in this theory.

As for the clothes change in the PZ, I just took that as artistic licence. It would have looked pretty silly to have them both show up in their hospital garbs. As the missile was approaching launch status they couldnt really show a time delay that accounted for the clothes change.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell us another one.



There is a theory reigning on the internet boards that Lionel is actually the Eradicator (especially with the white eyes) and I think Bruce Wayne has always been a firm believer in this theory.

Yes I am along with many other ppl. In fact alot of ppl have asked DeKnight to make the Eradicator reveal himself this season. They have indicated that it was the Eradicator ever since Covenant so they should really go with and save the real Jor-El's reputation lol.
Plus it would make for great drama and one hell of a story arc.