Would you kill someone if you were offered everything and anything you ever wanted?

[Moviefan2k4]

What if it were God that asked you to kill someone?

God doesn't command people to commit murder outright (and besides, it's not the proper place for such a debate, anyways).

 

[Spider-Fan]

I see this is becoming a religous thread, which I don't feel was the intent of the thread. This is a question of morality, not deducing if this is the devil, thus proving God exists. Why does God and his existance/non-existance always become the subject of every thread involving a moral quandry? Doesn't it get tiresome?

I would love these kind of threads if it didn't always boil down to God.

 

[Two-Face]

So there you are minding your own business one day, when suddenly, out of the blue, you are approached by a man who had intimate knowledge of you and your life, your dreams, aspirations and goals. He says he can make it all happen for you, give you anything you want. You say "Prove it." and like magic (it might just be magic in fact) a brand new Ferrari shows up. Just for you. You're convinced. Whoever this dude is, he has the power to fulfill your every wish and desire. But there's a catch.

You have to kill someone. He takes you in your new car to park where he points out a perfectly ordinary man. Without telling you why or how he informs you that you have to take his life. You will incur no repercussions. No arrest. No bad karma. But everything you could ever ask for in return.

Do you do it?

Sounds like a Hollywood film....

 

[Shemtov]

if the guy was bin laden.......or baby p's killer......or hitler reincarnate then yes. if not no.

 

[Franklin Richards]

God doesn't command people to commit murder outright (and besides, it's not the proper place for such a debate, anyways).

Except Abraham.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

God doesn't command people to commit murder outright (and besides, it's not the proper place for such a debate, anyways).

Abraham and Isaac.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Why does God and his existance/non-existance always become the subject of every thread involving a moral quandry?

Probably because, when all is said and done, morality is not merely a human invention.

Doesn't it get tiresome?

Only to those fiercely determined not to believe in God.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Sounds like a Hollywood film....

Ahhh man that's given me an idea..............100 Bullets the movie!!!!!

 

[Anubis]

Heh, one of the most f**ked up stories in the Bible. You know, reading the Bible, God comes off as something of a *****e. Just putting that out there.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Probably because, when all is said and done, morality is not merely a human invention.

Only to those fiercely determined not to believe in God.

You have threads to discuss this topic. Why take the discussion to moral quandry threads, thus making it an extension of those threads. For posters like me that don't wish to debate religion, but would love to hear about moral quandries, this is irritating. You can get your morality from God, I don't care, but you can discuss your morals without making this about God's existance and non-believers will be damned.

Can we move on from this, please? Or at least take the religion elsewhere.

 

[Anubis]

Except Abraham.

And lets not forget that whole Jericho thing.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Except Abraham.

God swore to Abraham that all his descendants would come to be through Isaac. Therefore, Abraham knew that if God commanded him to sacrifice his son, two things would've had to take place...

1) God would've had to resurrect Isaac, because He can't lie.

2) God would've had to replace Isaac with another sacrifice...which He did.

It was never about murder; it was about Abraham showing God that He was more important to him than even his own son (a reflection of what God would later do with Jesus).

 

[Shemtov]

There was an old Twilight Zone where a man came in to a shop with a box with a button. He told the shopkeeper that he'd give him a million dollars if he pressed the button but he warned him that someone he didn't know would die when he pressed it. He argued that people die all the time and that he wouldn't really be murdering anyone. He would get the million and he could live out the rest of his life in comfort.

Well the man thought about it and concluded that he would press the button because it wasn't anyone he knew anyway. The button was pushed. The man gave him a million dollars and he grabbed the box and was about to leave when the shopkeeper asked him a question.

"What are you going to do now?"

"I'm going to give someone else a chance to press the button."

"Someone else?"

"Don't worry. It will be someone you don't know."

so the shopkeeper will die? is that the meaning?


if so it reminds me of something else.......
i gknow were the writers got the inspiration from!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't wanna get into a religious argument but i've said it before and i'll say it again, who can prove that the bible isn't a load of old bollox made up to scare people into being controlled? Untill someone proves that the desciples actually wrote it then thats my view on religion.

 

[Shemtov]

Abraham and Isaac.

god only said to "bind" isaac on an altar not to sacrafice him.

 

[Franklin Richards]

God swore to Abraham that all his descendants would come to be through Isaac. Therefore, Abraham knew that if God commanded him to sacrifice his son, two things would've had to take place...

1) God would've had to resurrect Isaac, because He can't lie.

2) God would've had to replace Isaac with another sacrifice...which He did.

It was never about murder; it was about Abraham showing god that He was more important to him than even his own son (a reflection of what God would later do with Jesus).

I gotta remember that the next time I'm brought in on murder.

so the shopkeeper will die? is that the meaning?


if so it reminds me of something else.......
i gknow were the writers got the inspiration from!

Yeah. The implication is that the shopkeeper would be next.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

God swore to Abraham that all his descendants would come to be through Isaac. Therefore, Abraham knew that if God commanded him to sacrifice his son, two things would've had to take place...

1) God would've had to resurrect Isaac, because He can't lie.

2) God would've had to replace Isaac with another sacrifice...which He did.

It was never about murder; it was about Abraham showing God that He was more important to him than even his own son (a reflection of what God would later do with Jesus).

Well then that just proves religion is aload of bollox. So your telling me you find a mythical entity more important than your own flesh and blood? Scum.

 

[Two-Face]

Ahhh man that's given me an idea..............100 Bullets the movie!!!!!

Starting Nic Cage, Vin Diesel and Jessica Biel.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Starting Nic Cage, Vin Diesel and Jessica Biel.

Nic Cage as Cole? Vin Diesel as Lono? Jessica Biel as Dizzy? Sounds awesome.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

You're telling me you find a mythical entity more important than your own flesh and blood?

No, because I don't believe God is purely mythical. As much as I love my family and friends, there's one thing they can never do, and that's erase my sin completely. I love Jesus more because He did exactly that. But I do know that, at this point in my life, I wouldn't want to be put in Abraham's position.

 

[Two-Face]

Nic Cage as Cole? Vin Diesel as Lono? Jessica Biel as Dizzy? Sounds awesome.

I see it for Biel. t>

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No, because I don't believe God is purely mythical. As much as I love my family and friends, there's one thing they can never do, and that's erase my sin completely. I love Jesus more because He did exactly that. But I do know that, at this point in my life, I wouldn't want to be put in Abraham's position.

So what your basically saying is that if God or Jesus or whatever told you to kill your family or you wouldn't get into Heaven you would do it? If thats the case then you don't deserve to live.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This thread has officially been killed, as they always are. That said, I'm done. This was an interesting quandry for a few seconds, but alas.

Enjoy the religous debate guys

 

[Ace of Knaves]

This thread has officially been killed, as they always are. That said, I'm done. This was an interesting quandry for a few seconds, but alas.

Enjoy the religous debate guys

Sorry man, It's just that i'm actually outraged at what this fool is saying.

 

[Franklin Richards]

This thread has officially been killed, as they always are. That said, I'm done. This was an interesting quandry for a few seconds, but alas.

Enjoy the religous debate guys

I liked my shopkeeper story.