Would you kill someone if you were offered everything and anything you ever wanted?

[The Senator]

Your gay... and not old enough to of been married that long.

It's called hyperbole.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You are making a vastly generalized statement. Most pedophiles are psychologically unstable and require mental rehabilitation. They aren't "evil." There is a chance in most cases that a pedophile can be rehabilitated, and as a result, I see no reason to murder someone who has not murdered someone in the first place.

Maybe they can be rehabilitated, but do they DESERVE to be rehabilitated? IMO they do not.

 

[Shemtov]

No no no, equal punishment would be to turn him into a child and rape him. That obviously isn't going to happen so he should be killed.

actually equal punishment is to cut off his balls and penis. and if it was homosexual rape then all the better because then you can actually aflict the same type of damage on him by cutting up is @$$.

however "an eye for an eye and everybody is blind"

 

[November Rain]

Is one person's death more important than the pain and suffering of billions?

Is the knowledge of knowing your own gains were met by unfortunately snubbing another man's? Well that happens in day to day life but to end their life completely.

Are my own goals grand enough that I could not achieve them on my own merit?

See the problem with this question is that i've been brought up on guilt. I feel guilty and selfish to be alive, to have my upbringing, my education my prospects. I owe so much to so many people, the only way i could be truly happy would be to make sure I did as much as possible with my life and paid them all back emotionally and financially and provide even more to the future generations.

in effect it would be impossible for me to achieve peace of mind because there could always be more that i wanted so the death of a man would be futile because even if that did achieve it all, it would be on the back of something else which would give me guilt.

 

[The Senator]

So you are telling me, with all your wisdom, that you cannot differentiate them things and someone who sexually abuses children? I don't actually know how you can question this.

Don't try to paint me as someone who irrationally compares injustices to other injustices. You are comparing pedophiles to murderers when pedophilia itself does not result in a loss of physical life. If we start murdering pedophiles for not killing anyone, then what is the next step? Do we start killing thieves? Frauds? People who make verbal threats?

This is a humane argument. A society should not execute people at all in my opinion; but a society especially shouldn't execute people who committed no crime which resulted in the physical loss of life.

 

[The Senator]

Maybe they can be rehabilitated, but do they DESERVE to be rehabilitated? IMO they do not.

Why not? If they acted on psychological impulses as the result of a mental condition, then is it really their fault for committing the act in the first place if they did not make a rational, conscientious decision?

 

[The Senator]

actually equal punishment is to cut off his balls and penis. and if it was homosexual rape then all the better because then you can actually aflict the same type of damage on him by cutting up is @$$.

however "an eye for an eye and everybody is blind"

So, because you've stolen something in your life, you believe we should cut your hands off to remind you of the error of your ways?

 

[JLBats]

In what way? How or why would maturity automatically require the rejection of faith?

No, no, no.

Maturity I do not ASSOCIATE with the REJECTION OF FAITH
I associate it with the acknowledgment that we don't know, that their are loads of equally valid belief systems, etc.

Things YOU reject.

You, in ACCEPTING your God, Jesus Christ, are the one who I see doing the REJECTING here.

You are rejecting other faiths, you are rejecting other worldviews, and all you can think to do is point the finger at people YOU claim are rejecting YOUR God.

Moviefan, you are rejecting the Devas every single day!
How annoyed would you get if some Hypester kept saying **** like that?

Thank you.

Don't thank me for calling you close-minded.

You hit the nail right on the head with this one. When every excuse finally disappears, all people are divided between two camps: the will to believe in God, and the will not to believe in Him.

And that is precisely why you DON'T hit the nail on the head. Because within your own camp of people who believe in God, there are numerous different religions and different levels of religious belief, from the believer to the fanatic.

And outside of both the categories you have delineated with steadfast assuredness, there are multitudes of people who do not accept or reject God.

Perhaps they reject YOUR God.
Perhaps they reject ZEUS.
(you fall into that category of rejection, d00d)
Perhaps they don't reject any of them.

But there are many, many people, and this is a grey area you should learn about, who do not KNOW God the way you presume to, and are open to Him in any of the forms he has been ascribed in this world.

Because they simply don't know. They don't know whether they are right. They question it and they realize that no matter what answer they themselves find satisfactory, IT. MIGHT. BE. WRONG.

There has never been any harm in knowing that you don't know squat.

The idea that we have this full-formed concept of God already, as a man, with two arms, two legs, a head and a dong, is just insane.
It's reductive. It's facile!

Some people accept that if there is a God, he's probably far beyond what our humble and simplistic forms are.

To me, that is the form of faith that rejects God LEAST.
That IS acceptance of God to me.

Don't mistake people who don't believe in YOUR conception of God for people who REFUSE to believe in anything at all.

 

[Shemtov]

So, because you've stolen something in your life, you believe we should cut your hands off to remind you of the error of your ways?

read the last part of my post:

however "an eye for an eye and everybody is blind"

 

[The Senator]

No no no, equal punishment would be to turn him into a child and rape him. That obviously isn't going to happen so he should be killed.

Yeah, that makes sense.

"The child molester didn't kill anyone... so let's kill him anyway because he did a bad thing I think is disgusting! "

 

[Anubis]

Is one person's death more important than the pain and suffering of billions?

Is the knowledge of knowing your own gains were met by unfortunately snubbing another man's? Well that happens in day to day life but to end their life completely.

Are my own goals grand enough that I could not achieve them on my own merit?

See the problem with this question is that i've been brought up on guilt. I feel guilty and selfish to be alive, to have my upbringing, my education my prospects. I owe so much to so many people, the only way i could be truly happy would be to make sure I did as much as possible with my life and paid them all back emotionally and financially and provide even more to the future generations.

in effect it would be impossible for me to achieve peace of mind because there could always be more that i wanted so the death of a man would be futile because even if that did achieve it all, it would be on the back of something else which would give me guilt.

Like I said, (Which was drowned in all the ethics of killing pedos debate.)

Kill the dude, wish for 10 Billion dollars, World Peace, and for the guy you killed to be resurrected with no memory of what happened. And if it makes you feel bad, give him a billion dollars for his trouble.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Don't try to paint me as someone who irrationally compares injustices to other injustices. You are comparing pedophiles to murderers when pedophilia itself does not result in a loss of physical life. If we start murdering pedophiles for not killing anyone, then what is the next step? Do we start killing thieves? Frauds? People who make verbal threats?

This is a humane argument. A society should not execute people at all in my opinion; but a society especially shouldn't execute people who committed no crime which resulted in the physical loss of life.

Your not getting the point. Us as humans SHOULD realize that someone who robs something or makes verbal threats is a billion trillion miles different from a peedo. How is that hard to understand? Logically we know a thief is a thief, and that a thief is not a child raping bastard. Seriously how can you not see what i'm trying to say? A peedo gets PLEASURE from raping a child, a thief could rob someone because he needs to feed his family or whatever. A thief could be noble in a twisted sorta way, a peedo can never be noble, that goes without saying.

 

[Shemtov]

Yeah, that makes sense.

"The child molester didn't kill anyone... so let's kill him anyway because he did a bad thing I think is disgusting! "

your right......i meant he deseves to die not that he should. be diiference.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yeah, that makes sense.

"The child molester didn't kill anyone... so let's kill him anyway because he did a bad thing I think is disgusting! "

OK how about we all just take turns in raping him? Like he did to the child.

 

[elgaz]

I wouldn't do it. No amount of money, gifts or material possessions can buy you your morals and integrity.

So you kill an innocent person and receive your mansion, fleet of supercars and billions in the bank - how could you ever enjoy it knowing that someone's life paid for it?

Gaz

 

[Shemtov]

OK how about we all just take turns in raping him? Like he did to the child.

some peedos do get pleasure from adults too.

and "an eye for an eye and everyone goes blind'

 

[Anubis]

I wouldn't do it. No amount of money, gifts or material possessions can buy you your morals and integrity.

So you kill an innocent person and receive your mansion, fleet of supercars and billions in the bank - how could you ever enjoy it knowing that someone's life paid for it?

Gaz

Practice!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

some peedos do get pleasure from adults too.

and "an eye for an eye and everyone goes blind'

I understand the "eye for and eye" thing. But if it cost me my life, I would gladly kill a peedo. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. I guarentee a lot of people would be at my funeral though.

Anyway i've had enough of talking peedos. It makes me feel sick.

 

[The Senator]

Your not getting the point. Us as humans SHOULD realize that someone who robs something or makes verbal threats is a billion trillion miles different from a peedo. How is that hard to understand? Logically we know a thief is a thief, and that a thief is not a child raping bastard. Seriously how can you not see what i'm trying to say? A peedo gets PLEASURE from raping a child, a thief could rob someone because he needs to feed his family or whatever. A thief could be noble in a twisted sorta way, a peedo can never be noble, that goes without saying.

I understand your point: You think we should execute people who have not committed an act which resulted in the physical loss of life, and therefore you are an advocate of unequal punishment.

And again, you continue to make generalized statements about pedophiles being 'pure evil.' Like I said, many pedophiles are influenced by pre-existing psychological conditions and are therefore not acting in a conscientious manner. There is a chance that this person can be rehabilitated and released into society, where he or she can play a vital role in the community. The problem is, our ability to act irrationally to sensationalist crimes has overshadowed any progress we as humans can make when it comes to these individuals.

Even those who cannot be rehabilitated do not deserve to die. They didn't kill anybody; they inflicted psychological harm which may or may not be permanent. There have been no conclusive scientific studies which claim that those who were abused as a child will endure the trauma the duration of their lives. To advocate the execution of child molesters is entirely irrational and the very definition of injustice. They deserve to be imprisoned indefinitely at the very most.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I understand your point: You think we should execute people who have not committed an act which resulted in the physical loss of life, and therefore you are an advocate of unequal punishment.

And again, you continue to make generalized statements about pedophiles being 'pure evil.' Like I said, many pedophiles are influenced by pre-existing psychological conditions and are therefore not acting in a conscientious manner. There is a chance that this person can be rehabilitated and released into society, where he or she can play a vital role in the community. The problem is, our ability to act irrationally to sensationalist crimes has overshadowed any progress we as humans can make when it comes to these individuals.

Even those who cannot be rehabilitated do not deserve to die. They didn't kill anybody; they inflicted psychological harm which may or may not be permanent. There have been no conclusive scientific studies which claim that those who were abused as a child will endure the trauma the duration of their lives. To advocate the execution of child molesters is entirely irrational and the very definition of injustice. They deserve to be imprisoned indefinitely at the very most.

OK man I do understand what your saying, but I just can't agree with you, even if I wanted to. But I really don't want to talk about peedos anymore. PEace out.

 

[Shemtov]

Anyway i've had enough of talking peedos. It makes me feel sick.

indeed. we will not know what the answer to this moral quandry we are talking about until zemah comes.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I associate [maturity] with the acknowledgment...that their are loads of equally valid belief systems...

Really? Try telling a Jew his or her faith is equally as valid as a Buddhist. Or try the same tactic with a Hindu and a Roman Catholic. They probably won't be too happy with you...and why? Because not all beliefs are equally true.

...all you can think to do is point the finger at people YOU claim are rejecting YOUR God.

I'm not the one doing the pointing. Scripture's been around for nearly two millennia, and various people have criticized it for just as long a time. Why would anyone waste their time protesting a faith they don't believe? Because the inherent truth of it threatens their preconceptions. unlike many other "religions", Christianity calls people to be accountable to someone other than themselves or humanity, and some folks don't like that.

Moviefan, you are rejecting the Devas every single day!

What is a "Deva"?

...within your own camp of people who believe in God, there are numerous different religions and different levels of religious belief, from the believer to the fanatic.

I've said it more than once: the misuse of a standard does not warrant its disuse. Think about it.

The idea that we have this full-formed concept of God already, as a man...is just insane. It's reductive. It's facile!

Why? Can you name one good reason for that belief, other than your own opinion?

Don't mistake people who don't believe in YOUR conception of God for people who REFUSE to believe in anything at all.

I'm not denying the fact that they've made a choice to believe in something. I'm merely challenging that what they believe (while it may be beneficial) may not, in fact, be true.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

Really? Try telling a Jew his or her faith is equally as valid as a Buddhist. Or try the same tactic with a Hindu and a Roman Catholic. They probably won't be too happy with you...and why? Because not all beliefs are equally true.

I'm part Jewish and I strongly believe Buddhism is equally as valid as Judaism, in fact in my opinion all religions are equal in their lack of validity.

 

[November Rain]

Like I said, (Which was drowned in all the ethics of killing pedos debate.)

Kill the dude, wish for 10 Billion dollars, World Peace, and for the guy you killed to be resurrected with no memory of what happened. And if it makes you feel bad, give him a billion dollars for his trouble.

there's still the guilt i couldn't do it on my own merit which lets down those who invested in me.

 

[Anubis]

Well now, at least we're back on topic.

there's still the guilt i couldn't do it on my own merit which lets down those who invested in me.

He's a freaking magic man. You could ask him to make you forget having done the deed at all. I swear. You people and your morals.