Superman Returns Would You Prefer Confirmed Sequel OR Confirmed Restart

[The Incredible Hulk]

He wasn't so great. He really took the movies down some crapy routes.

regardless of what you think of Superman III and IV, MY POINT was that everyone agrees he was a great Superman.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yes, he did. He wanted to direct it too. And trust me, a Chris Reeve directed Superman film would not of been "Unforgiven."

Reeve wrote part of the script for Superman IV. I dont know if you can say he "came up with the idea" for it. Then again Superman IV wasn't a bad idea for a film, it was just horribly, horribly executed. Even so, it doesnt diminish how great he was in the role.

 

[TaintedBlood]

yeah, but to hold his performance of Superman against actors twenty years later... a generation later... is absurd. I'll say one thing... sweaty arm pits. And it can't be ignored that he starred in two of the worst comic book movies of all time. If it wasn't for Catwoman they'd be neck and neck for the bottom spot. ha... that's not really true

 

[Steelsheen]

they should just pick up where they left off, and do some seriously good writing this time and make up for the shortcomings they had in SR. i'd like to keep the cast, a reboot would mean we lose everybody and have to start from scratch

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think Bryan Singer could make Superman into an epic action-adventure movie like Spider-Man or Transformers, so anyone expecting that kind of scale and 'wow' factor is never going to get that from Singer. He doesn't do those kinds of movies. He does character dramas that have superhero-type characters in them! As an example, compare Singer's X1 and X2. X2 stepped things up from X1 but it didn't suddenly become a Spider-Man or a Pirates or a Lord of the Rings.

If you want something like Spider-Man or Transformers, in terms of scale and scope, you'd need another director. I don't think Singer thinks in those big terms, he thinks in smaller scales.

 

[El Payaso]

If you want something like Spider-Man or Transformers, in terms of scale and scope, you'd need another director.

Or you need to watch Spider-man and Transformers.

 

[X-Maniac]

Or you need to watch Spider-man and Transformers.

Maybe so...but there are certain expectations on a superhero movie. Box office and the prolonged negative reaction on here show that it didn't meet expectations. A $76million Independence Day Weekend opening and its slow crawl to recoup its budget are signs that something was not right. Marketing was a little poor, but the sombre 'vision' didn't help. This movie was not made as a blockbuster.

Why did Singer remove the Krypton sequence from SR? Its only total sci-fi wow sequence and he cut it! Was that a good idea?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

A restart ofcourse. It would be great to see actors who actually fit their roles and a director who doesn't well...suck at directing action films.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

To paraphase Christopher Walken from SNL.

"I got a fever and the only prescription is more Superman."

 

[El Payaso]

Maybe so...but there are certain expectations on a superhero movie. Box office and the prolonged negative reaction on here show that it didn't meet expectations.

Box Office doesn't mean crap. It did as much as Batman Begins.

Opinions in here means... that some comics fans didn't like it. Respectable opinions; their expectations weren't fulfilled, but movies, as any other artistic expresion, often are not made for everybody.

This movie was not made as a blockbuster.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Why did Singer remove the Krypton sequence from SR? Its only total sci-fi wow sequence and he cut it! Was that a good idea?

I don't know, was it? Another extra 15 minutes of a trip to a bunch of static meteorites is a good idea beyond reasonable doubt? I rather have a good focus on why Superman FELT he had to go there.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Is a reboot even an option at this point?

All I've heard so far is Superman Returns Sequel OR JLA film.....


If they want to pull a complete reboot for 09 with a new director, cast, sets etc; the wheels would need to start getting in motion now.

 

[El Payaso]

The reboot option in the poll is there mainly to express people's opinion. In my opinion.

 

[nintendo nerd]

regardless of what you think of Superman III and IV, MY POINT was that everyone agrees he was a great Superman.

So is Routh.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I want a sequel to SR. After that WB can do whatever they want with the franchise.

 

[Kahoot]

So is Routh.

Routh was the best actor about SR.

 

[X-Maniac]

Box Office doesn't mean crap. It did as much as Batman Begins.

Opinions in here means... that some comics fans didn't like it. Respectable opinions; their expectations weren't fulfilled, but movies, as any other artistic expresion, often are not made for everybody.

But such a modest box office on an Independence Day Weekend must mean people either didn't know much about it, didn't like what they did know about it, or had heard bad things about it that put them off.

Batman Begins opened lower (not on a holiday weekend though) but never fell heavily, it had good legs, it had good word of mouth, it steamed on pretty solidly. People were enticed to go and see it. I remember an older woman at my workplace going to see it, and coming in raving on about how good and 'gripping' it was.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Surely directors and studio bosses hope for a blockbuster!? Everyone hopes for amazing success on their work (especially if they were funding it!). You speak as though you are glad it wasn't a blockbuster.

What you are essentially saying is that you are happy with the movie as it was, you liked it, you don't care it wasn't a blockbuster, you didn't even want it to be one. Well, great for you. But that's rather a selfish position. Other people aren't happy with it. They wanted something more exciting, a Superman for this age, not harking back to the days of Donner.

I don't know, was it? Another extra 15 minutes of a trip to a bunch of static meteorites is a good idea beyond reasonable doubt? I rather have a good focus on why Superman FELT he had to go there.

Maybe it didn't need to be 15 minutes. Maybe it could have been happening partly or totally during the opening titles. But I'm sure it would have been better in there, in some form, than on the cutting room floor. The sequence was conceived, storyboarded, filmed/created/CGI'ed... only to be hacked out at the last minute. Therefore it must have seemed like a good idea for most of the moviemaking process. Otherwise it wouldn't have gone beyond an idea on a piece of paper to an $11m (or however-much) creation.

As for the focus on why he felt he needed to go there, we didn't get much focus on the whole thing. He vanished - no-one knew why, not even a former girlfriend (Lois) who worked in the press and would have known about Krypton being discovered. What WAS he expecting to find 30 years after the planet exploded? Did he think he'd never come home from a floating mass of rock? If it was all irradiated and turned into radioactive kryptonite, no one would have survived and he would himself have been at great risk from going near it. You can understand why he might need to find out if he was truly the last of his kind...and yet it was all dealt with so briefly.

With this movie, some people understandably feel there are pieces missing in context, detail, motivation and explanation. The circumstances around his leaving Earth in secret are, to some people, a bit shaky. They've been discussed on here in depth, so I'm not going into it all again except to say I believe he should have told Lois, or that she would have known anyway from media reports (indeed everyone would have guessed that's where he had gone).

 

[Super Kal]

wow... pretty much 50/50 here...

 

[Mr. Socko]

Routh was the best actor about SR.

There you go confusing Routh with Kevin Spacey again!

geez, they look nothing alike.

 

[AgentPat]

wow... pretty much 50/50 here...

Interesting, init?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

And yet the keep or fire Singer thread has him up by like 50 votes.

 

[The Shredder]

Interesting, init?

Interesting indeed.

 

[superbaby]

And yet the keep or fire Singer thread has him up by like 50 votes.

perhaps some of us have seen enough the superman origin story. moreover, a reboot could take another decade or more to make.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Why reboot when it's still a good franchise?

Bingo.

 

[mego joe]

Bingo.

Or for half of us definitely not 'Bingo' and not a good franchise.

 

[Super Kal]

Interesting, init?

one of the reasons why I like it here more than BT.net... all the sheep congregate over there...