Logan X-24 (Spoilers)

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Let's talk about this mean machine.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I liked his inclusion, he was basically the very thing Logan feared turning into his whole life, a mindless, animalistic killing machine.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

X-24 was the one thing I didn't quite like in Logan. Poor choice for a villain I thought.

 

[marcvader]

Same here. The entire film was cruising along for me and I was happy at how different it was to all the the other X films but then once he showed up i kind of got the been here done that feeling.

 

[UnknownCriminal]

As I said in the spoiler discussion thread, X-24 is an idea that had a huge potential for sucking and in any other movie it probably would have sucked, but the execution here made me love his inclusion. It's the kind of idea that I usually hate, but they really made it work. I have nothing to complain. No matter how on the nose the metaphor behind him can be, it was handled very well. His appearance was nicely foreshadowed and set-up throughout the movie and even though I was surprised when he showed up, it made sense and it didn't feel shoehorned in at all. I love the fact that he's linked to both Logan and Laura on a genetic level (all three being different versions of the same person) and what he represents. Not only is he a version of Logan reduced to his primal instincts and animalistic anger, the fact that he's younger and at his prime physical condition provided an extra challenge and an interesting dynamic to the fight scenes he had with Logan. Loved Hugh's nuanced, visceral performance and the little details in his portrayal like that moment he sees Rice dead and gets truly furious (showing that he actually cared about him and maybe wasn't such a mindless killing machine after all) made him seem even more interesting and even a little bit hurt, sad and tragic (not unlike maybe a pitbull trained to kill in dog fights). I also love that he also subtly resembles Liev Schreiber's Sabretooth. That said, I'll reiterate that no, Sabretooth could not have taken his place in the film without major portions of the story having to be completely reworked to make room for it. In my personal opinion, it would suck to have Sabretooth (or any other villain from the comics) playing that particular role in the story in that particular way. It would feel like gratuitous fan service, something the movie was systematically trying to avoid.

 

[Mjölnir]

As I've already stated elsewhere this is the one big loss of potential for me.

Having Wolverine fight a clone doesn't bring any special dynamic to the fight as it's a mirror match, it doesn't give us any personality to base a conflict on, and as a representation of Logan's inner struggle it's too heavy-handed and that's still better established with other means in the movie.

It wasn't necessarily bad or a failure, but was just something that we've already seen done better in the conflict with Sabertooth. Therefor I think ending that conflict once and for all, or just using a different threat that brings a new dynamic, would have been better suited to this movie and what it accomplishes.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

A brain washed Sabertooth or Omega Red would have been awesome. There was lots of potential there but it's a shame they went the way of the clone

 

[TheComicbookKid]

A brain washed Sabertooth or Omega Red would have been awesome. There was lots of potential there but it's a shame they went the way of the clone

I think either one of them would have required a decent chunk of time devoted to making them compelling.

The movie was essentially a swan song to everything about Logan so I think it made sense as a simple "what if"

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think his initial appearance worked well. It took my brain a second to process what was going on (essentially, something seemed off but I couldn't tell what). I thought it might have been a dream sequence before I realized it was happening for real. That part was great.

I still liked him after that mainly because I appreciated the contrast between Logan, who was weak and slow, and 24 who was vintage Wolverine. Chekhov's Adamantium Bullet was the obvious solution from the beginning, but I thought it hit the notes that needed to be hit.

 

[Bruce Malone]

They missed the opportunity for him to have a goatee as in any true evil clone/twin.

 

[UnknownCriminal]

A brain washed Sabertooth or Omega Red would have been awesome. There was lots of potential there but it's a shame they went the way of the clone

What's the point of using them if you're just going to brainwash them? More importantly, how would that be any better than X-24? They would act exactly like X-24, only devoid of all meaning and anything that makes all three of these characters even remotely interesting. It would be just fan service of the worst kind and Tyler Mane's Sabretooth all over again. Also, they already had gone the way of the clone with Laura. They are both clones. She's X-23. He's X-24. It makes sense for the story. It's simple and elegant. All the pieces are already there. X-24 is actually the reason they decided to kill the new mutant program and get rid of the children. He's an intrinsic part of the plot and not just some interchangeable random thug. With either Sabretooth or Omega Red you would have to have a whole lot of contrived exposition to even start explaining what the hell they're doing in this movie. It just doesn't feel as natural. I much rather have a new antagonist that has a place in the story that's being told than a bad guy from the comics just because he's from the comics. It would break the neat little standalone box this movie is packaged in.

I think either one of them would have required a decent chunk of time devoted to making them compelling.

Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Sabretooth would be older than Wolverine and would need to have changed and evolved as a character through the years to even earn a place in this story. That is if he even survived whatever wiped out nearly all the mutants in the world. What happened to him during all this time? There's a whole bunch of stuff you need to explain and develop in order to bring Sabretooth into this movie in a compelling, satisfactory way. If Sabretooth was in this movie, I'd much rather see him as a nasty side character with an actual personality that maybe could be persuaded into helping Logan and Laura escape than just a mindless antagonist for Logan to fight.

I think his initial appearance worked well. It took my brain a second to process what was going on (essentially, something seemed off but I couldn't tell what). I thought it might have been a dream sequence before I realized it was happening for real. That part was great.

I still liked him after that mainly because I appreciated the contrast between Logan, who was weak and slow, and 24 who was vintage Wolverine. Chekhov's Adamantium Bullet was the obvious solution from the beginning, but I thought it hit the notes that needed to be hit.

Agreed on all counts. That moment and the following scene where Logan desperately tries to explain to Xavier that it wasn't him are a couple of my favorites in the movie, and they wouldn't even be possible if X-24 wasn't in it.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I thought it was incredibly eerie.

 

[Mjölnir]

What's the point of using them if you're just going to brainwash them? More importantly, how would that be any better than X-24? They would act exactly like X-24, only devoid of all meaning and anything that makes all three of these characters even remotely interesting. It would be just fan service of the worst kind and Tyler Mane's Sabretooth all over again. Also, they already had gone the way of the clone with Laura. They are both clones. She's X-23. He's X-24. It makes sense for the story. It's simple and elegant. All the pieces are already there. X-24 is actually the reason they decided to kill the new mutant program and get rid of the children. He's an intrinsic part of the plot and not just some interchangeable random thug. With either Sabretooth or Omega Red you would have to have a whole lot of contrived exposition to even start explaining what the hell they're doing in this movie. It just doesn't feel as natural. I much rather have a new antagonist that has a place in the story that's being told than a bad guy from the comics just because he's from the comics. It would break the neat little standalone box this movie is packaged in.



Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Sabretooth would be older than Wolverine and would need to have changed and evolved as a character through the years to even earn a place in this story. That is if he even survived whatever wiped out nearly all the mutants in the world. What happened to him during all this time? There's a whole bunch of stuff you need to explain and develop in order to bring Sabretooth into this movie in a compelling, satisfactory way. If Sabretooth was in this movie, I'd much rather see him as a nasty side character with an actual personality that maybe could be persuaded into helping Logan and Laura escape than just a mindless antagonist for Logan to fight.



Agreed on all counts. That moment and the following scene where Logan desperately tries to explain to Xavier that it wasn't him are a couple of my favorites in the movie, and they wouldn't even be possible if X-24 wasn't in it.

I don't think there's any issue with explaining the hypothetical replacement for X-24 since it's not hard to fit in and the movie did drag a little on the pacing side at times so that could actually have tightened that up. It's not like they would have had to spend 20 minutes explaining it because they didn't really go into detailed explanations about anything in this movie save for the experiments, and we still followed it easily.

 

[Breogan]

LOL the title of the thread is pretty much a huge rotten spoiler, glad I saw the movie before this thoughtless a-hole move of a thread emerged.

Loved it, Wolverine without a soul incarnate, a pure killing machine, everything he and Laura fear and fight against becoming.

A Mod should merge this thread with the spoiler thread.

 

[Oneiros]

I thought it was surreal and unexpected. Having Omega Red or Sabretooth would have required far more dedication to them than a clone and, since the entire theme of the movie was centered upon the concept of Wolverine having clones, X-24 made sense and worked out beautifully. Any other established character would have either taken a lot more time to set up, sufficiently, or would have been paper thin and kinda pointless.

 

[psylockolussus]

Not really a fan of X-24 and the other villains in this film. But oh well. Maybe if it was someone really fierce and different looking like Omega Red, it would have been ablast to watch but another Wolverine clone when they just introduced X-23 is a bit much to me.

 

[BlackFox]

Let's talk about this mean machine.

Having seen the film twice now and listened to several you tube spoiler discussions about the film I fully understand his inclusion now and what he represented so don't have as many issues as I did before. His first scene is a great one as well which helps but also how he reflects what Logan fears the most makes his inclusion understandable and I see what Mangold was going for. As someone else said in a lesser film it would not have worked so well but Mangold knew what he was doing.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

LOL the title of the thread is pretty much a huge rotten spoiler, glad I saw the movie before this thoughtless a-hole move of a thread emerged.

Marco Beltrami already spoiled the existence of X-24. At least the name.

 

[Weather Witch]

Marco Beltrami already spoiled the existence of X-24. At least the name.

To be fair that is why people avoid the track list of soundtracks. Though I think just the name X-24 isn't a huge spoiler. But it does already hint at another clone / creature.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

To be fair that is why people avoid the track list of soundtracks. Though I think just the name X-24 isn't a huge spoiler. But it does already hint at another clone / creature.

I see your point. At least I didn't named this thread "The X-24, evil clone of Logan thread".

 

[psylockolussus]

You should have named this "Spoiler thread for a secret character *Snikt*".

The snikt is a clue for the identity of the secret character.

 

[-JKR-]

You should really change the title. Not everyone had the chance to watch the movie opening weekend.

It was a huge suprise for me, and his first appearance was a huge shock. I loved every single second of his downright scary presence. The movie turned into a horror flick at the farm, and I freakin' loved it.

What a vicious mother****er.

 

[Superhero 101]

I actually liked x 24 inclusion and thought it helped the story yeah it would have been cool to include sabretooth or omega red but I think that would have taken away from the the main characters

 

[psylockolussus]

The thing is Omega Red could have played both of the roles of X-24 and Pierce. He could have already hunt down X-23 from the start of the movie while working as a second hand to Zander. And that wouldn't take any of the screentime of the 3 leads.

 

[-JKR-]

The thing is Omega Red could have played both of the roles of X-24 and Pierce. He could have already hunt down X-23 from the start of the movie while working as a second hand to Zander. And that wouldn't take any of the screentime of the 3 leads.

I loved both Donald Pierce (what a hateful bastard he was - great performance by Boyd Holbrook) and X-24, so... no. t: