Sequels X-Men 4 villain

[The Overlord]

Now that X-Men 4 might be back on track, who should be the villain in X-Men 4?

 

[BMM]

I have no idea. Given their importance, how do you not address Magneto and The Brotherhood, especially given Magneto’s revelation at the end of The Last Stand??? Then again, The Brotherhood as villains would be terribly redundant and rather pointless. Still, they can’t just disappear. At the same time, however, X-Men 4 needs a fresh villain, but said villain needs to be relevant so as not to come off as some lame one-shot villain, as X-Men 5 and 6 are doubtful. This is why I hate thinking about X-Men 4. There is so much unresolved crap, and crap is exactly what it is (Cyclops in a forest, Magneto re-powered, Professor Xavier in a formerly brain-dead body, etc).

If I had to choose, I guess I would choose someone like Sinister, or maybe even someone like Proteus, while staying away from characters like Apocalypse.

 

[The Overlord]

I have no idea. Given their importance, how do you not address Magneto and The Brotherhood, especially given Magneto’s revelation at the end of The Last Stand??? Then again, The Brotherhood as villains would be terribly redundant and rather pointless. Still, they can’t just disappear. At the same time, however, X-Men 4 needs a fresh villain, but said villain needs to be relevant so as not to come off as some lame one-shot villain, as X-Men 5 and 6 are doubtful. This is why I hate thinking about X-Men 4. There is so much unresolved crap, and crap is exactly what it is (Cyclops in a forest, Magneto re-powered, Professor Xavier in a formerly brain-dead body, etc).

If I had to choose, I guess I would choose someone like Sinister, or maybe even someone like Proteus, while staying away from characters like Apocalypse.

Why do you think Apocalypse is a bad idea, too convoluted and expensive to put on screen?

I do think it would easier to base a movie around Sinister then Proteus though.

There is always the sentinels as well.

 

[BigSams50]

I would love to see apocalypse. im getting tired of magneto, and the sentinels would be sweet

 

[Deaths Head II]

I don't want Magneto again. He's a good villain but there is a reason every X-Men comic doesn't have Magneto show up: using the same villain over and over gets really old and closes off a lot of possibilities. I don't really want another human villain either since the only other main villain besides Magneto was a human so no Sentinels (at least not yet). I think the best choice is Mr. Sinister.

 

[The Overlord]

So should Magneto play no role in the sequel?

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

No Magneto...Sinister would be a great villian...introduce Friends of Humanity

 

[psyonic]

The villains should be Shaw Industries/ Trask/ Sentinels. In the comics they were all connected with Shaw Industries financing the Sentinels. They should also touch upon the mutant massacre (mutant vs mutant) with Sinister's Marauders.

Of course Magneto's role would be minimal but pivotal towards the end during the climax against the Sentinels.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sinister, Proteus or especially Apocalypse I would be over the moon with.

 

[sauronthegreat]

I would like Magneto's story to be resolved and finished before they move to Hellfire Club, Sinister and Apocalypse.
Magneto, Genosha, the Brotherhood (Juggernaut, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Pyro, Avalanche), Sentinels (sent to eliminate most of mutant population on Genosha) and Mystique working for the government with her own team.
I see this story to be told in a two and a half or three hour film with a conclusion to almost all the details from the previous films.
Maybe they shouldn't go too deep with Cyclops’ survival, of Shaw's Industries financing the Sentinel Program. They should leave that for a possible fifth film with the Hellfire Club and Sinister.

 

[the a1ant]

Perez Hilton as Mojo.

 

[BMM]

Why do you think Apocalypse is a bad idea, too convoluted and expensive to put on screen?

Yes, I think he’s too convoluted and probably too expensive. Also, he’s kind of lame. For whatever reason, Apocalypse only wants to separate the weak from the strong, and he fails miserably every time. He’s a one trick pony. Moreover, a lot of Apocalypse’s storylines revolve around the X-Men’s first family, the Summers-Grey clan, but they’re dead. Even if Cyclops survives, it doesn’t matter because none of that is going to be established on film. Apocalypse could always pursue Angel, but who cares about Angel? He isn’t even an X-Man. And if Apocalypse does strike, who’s going to stop him, the leftover X-Men (i.e. the actors with contracts left)? Ice-Man? Jubilee? Kitty Pryde? I don’t know. I just don’t think they have the proper setup for Apocalypse, or at least an Apocalypse worth translating to the big screen.

I do think it would easier to base a movie around Sinister then Proteus though.

I say Proteus because they’ve established who Moira MacTaggart is and the fact that we know Xavier is with her (on Muir Island?). Plus, he’s a visually interesting character, with powers never seen before, and requires little setup. Then again, the X-Men did just defeat a "caged" being with limitless psionic powers.

As for Sinister, I could see them doing something along the lines of the Mutant Massacre.

There is always the sentinels as well.

The sentinels are feasible. I just think it seems like they would be going backwards by re-visiting the idea that humans are afraid of mutants again, especially after the happy ending of The Last Stand.

Perez Hilton as Mojo.

Groooooss but appropriate.

 

[The Guard]

Humans fearing mutants is half the point of the X-Men mythology.

There's no reason all of that stuff can't be in the sequels, if there are sequels.

I don't see Proteus carrying a film, though I suppose he could, if adapted properly. I can see new, evolved X-Men teams battling Proteus at the beginning of the next film as an introduction of sorts, but I can't see him as the main villain overall.

Magneto is a key part of the X-Men mythology. His role in affairs and his reaction to events is important, regardless of whether he shows up again and again. That's sort of the point, actually. I see Magneto keeping more to the shadows in an X4, forming some kind of mutant refuge after the events of X3, and only being drawn out when big things happen.

The Sentinel Project is a good reaction to what happened in X3, and would become an integral human defense if Apocalypse is able to raise armies and gather followers in a sequel. I think it's kind of silly to worry about what most of of Apoc's stories revolve around, because it's not like the franchise has been uber faithful thus far.

The Hellfire Club could simply be trying to capitilize on a power shift, bringing either Jean, or Cyclops, or both back, and be tied to the Sentinel program through Shaw. Sinister could work with the Hellfire Club, and Hellfire's soldiers could be combined or working in tandem with Sinister's Mutant Maurauders, allowing for Gambit's usage and introduction into this era of X-stories.

Sinister could have a hand in this (cloning of some kind?) and be eventually involved with Apocalypse. And Apocalypse need not be "lame", the themes and his aims are actually pretty compelling.

It can all be done. It just has to be done carefully.

 

[sauronthegreat]

Humans fearing mutants is half the point of the X-Men mythology.

There's no reason all of that stuff can't be in the sequels, if there are sequels.

I don't see Proteus carrying a film, though I suppose he could, if adapted properly. I can see new, evolved X-Men teams battling Proteus at the beginning of the next film as an introduction of sorts, but I can't see him as the main villain overall.

Magneto is a key part of the X-Men mythology. His role in affairs and his reaction to events is important, regardless of whether he shows up again and again. That's sort of the point, actually. I see Magneto keeping more to the shadows in an X4, forming some kind of mutant refuge after the events of X3, and only being drawn out when big things happen.

The Sentinel Project is a good reaction to what happened in X3, and would become an integral human defense if Apocalypse is able to raise armies and gather followers in a sequel. I think it's kind of silly to worry about what most of of Apoc's stories revolve around, because it's not like the franchise has been uber faithful thus far.

The Hellfire Club could simply be trying to capitilize on a power shift, bringing either Jean, or Cyclops, or both back, and be tied to the Sentinel program through Shaw. Sinister could work with the Hellfire Club, and Hellfire's soldiers could be combined or working in tandem with Sinister's Mutant Maurauders, allowing for Gambit's usage and introduction into this era of X-stories.

Sinister could have a hand in this (cloning of some kind?) and be eventually involved with Apocalypse. And Apocalypse need not be "lame", the themes and his aims are actually pretty compelling.

It can all be done. It just has to be done carefully.

I completely agree with all your points and ideas for the characters and plots. Really nice and intelligent thinking how to integrate them in future sequels. I have an idea where Sinister could be a founder and a leader from behind the curtain of the Hellfire Club, because he comes from that century by which the Hellfire members are so inspired.

 

[katie_girl09]

Apocalypse. That is all.

 

[Visceral]

Apocalypse. That is all.

agreed he would be a lot of fun.

 

[The Overlord]

Humans fearing mutants is half the point of the X-Men mythology.

There's no reason all of that stuff can't be in the sequels, if there are sequels.

I don't see Proteus carrying a film, though I suppose he could, if adapted properly. I can see new, evolved X-Men teams battling Proteus at the beginning of the next film as an introduction of sorts, but I can't see him as the main villain overall.

I agree I can't see Proteus as a Big Bad, the kind of villain you need to carry a film. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad

Magneto is a key part of the X-Men mythology. His role in affairs and his reaction to events is important, regardless of whether he shows up again and again. That's sort of the point, actually. I see Magneto keeping more to the shadows in an X4, forming some kind of mutant refuge after the events of X3, and only being drawn out when big things happen.

Still if use Magneto too much, the audience is going to get sick of him, they might not use him for a film or two.

The Sentinel Project is a good reaction to what happened in X3, and would become an integral human defense if Apocalypse is able to raise armies and gather followers in a sequel. I think it's kind of silly to worry about what most of of Apoc's stories revolve around, because it's not like the franchise has been uber faithful thus far.

The Hellfire Club could simply be trying to capitilize on a power shift, bringing either Jean, or Cyclops, or both back, and be tied to the Sentinel program through Shaw. Sinister could work with the Hellfire Club, and Hellfire's soldiers could be combined or working in tandem with Sinister's Mutant Maurauders, allowing for Gambit's usage and introduction into this era of X-stories.

Sinister could have a hand in this (cloning of some kind?) and be eventually involved with Apocalypse. And Apocalypse need not be "lame", the themes and his aims are actually pretty compelling.

It can all be done. It just has to be done carefully.

That seems like too many villains, you would already have a lot of heroes so adding too many villains would make for too many characters to juggle. Spider-Man 3 had that problem.

It should be Shaw and sentinels or Sinister, having both wouldn't both work, one should be saved for a sequel.

However I do like the outline you presented here.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Actually, I'd say keep Magneto in the movie...but not as the villain. I'd like to see them follow the one storyline where he becomes headmaster of the school and one of the X-men.

In the comics, of course, they had to eventually turn him back into a villain after this redemption (no change is ever permanent, blah blah blah) but let's assume that this is the last X-men movie and if so, why not make his character arc come full circle? Though he's regained his mutant powers, living life as a human must have had a traumatic effect that would change his outlook in one way or another.

If this is the case, though, you need a good villain and my natural inclination there is to do Sinister with his genetic engineering and all, while also bringing in the Marauders and even the Morlock massacre. If not that, I guess they could do Apocalypse but that'd be a really tricky egg to crack.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Why are so many of you obessed with Apocalypse being in the next x-men movie?

Now he is a great character and i would love to see him in the x-men franchise, but he simply can not just appear in one movie... He needs to be a presence throughout many, and as we had not seen this in the previous movies, it would make no sense for him to appear in x4... although some of you will think of ideas why you think he can. The truth is that Apocalypse is too grand a character to just introduce, its like Gambit we had to wait 4 movies before they introduced him, why? because they had to find the right moment to bring him in...

Now most of you in here should be aware of the x-men animated series, either from the 90's or the evolution stuff... and through this i want you to see something...

In both formates, both evolution and the 90's cartoon. Was Apocalpyse introduced right away. Or was there a build up to his presence?

See from the 90's cartoon, we had the whole, Cure idea and then warren becomes the archangel, the four horsemen is born and Oh what's that we have Apocalpyse...

same with evolution. We have mesmero finding keys, mutants going missing, apocaylpse is revealed... But all this wasnt done in one episode, it was done in several. And so the theory still stands if we were to just introduce him into the movie series.

Apocalypse is a trilogy saga, not a one off movie... I have mentioned this many times before but by introducing Apocalypse in X-Men 4 as the main villian is like how rushed and universally hated they used Silver Surfer and Galactus in the second fantastic four movie, thast like pushing the anti upto maximum no wonder they failed to make a third movie. Who tops galactus?

My point is, to introduce a story like Apocaylpse you needed to lay down the ground work first... which you simply cant do with x-men 4 alone, you need x-men 4-6 a new trilogy around it.

In my oppinion the best way to start this off would be to have Mr Sinister as the overal villian of the second trilogy. This way, if they were only going to make x-men 4, then we would have a complete story in one movie because you can pretty much introduce sinister, and his whole idealism around mutants and him excuting a plan in one movie... but because sinister has close ties with apocaylpse in the long run we could explain through x4 and 5 who apocalpyse is, then have his appearance in the 6th movie with great anticpation. It would be spectacular.

Now to me all you people wanting him in x4 will mean we will get a toned down verson, and the effect will be as only that of what we saw in fantastic four the rise of the silver surfer... you'll come away thinking we ended thes series now... we have put the final nail in the coffin that is the x-men franchise.

 

[The Guard]

I completely agree with all your points and ideas for the characters and plots. Really nice and intelligent thinking how to integrate them in future sequels. I have an idea where Sinister could be a founder and a leader from behind the curtain of the Hellfire Club, because he comes from that century by which the Hellfire members are so inspired.

I actually wrote most of an X4 and X5 on notebook paper, have it still, just never typed it out.

Still if use Magneto too much, the audience is going to get sick of him, they might not use him for a film or two.

I don't mind if he's not the main villain, but his presence must be felt. You can't just abandon his ideology at this point in the story.

That seems like too many villains, you would already have a lot of heroes so adding too many villains would make for too many characters to juggle. Spider-Man 3 had that problem.

SPIDER-MAN 3 had that problem because SPIDER-MAN 3 brought together characters that had nothing to do with each other in Venom and Sandman, gave Sandman a ridiculously overblown arc that HAD to be tied to Spider-Man, and essentially wasted screentime.

Let's look at the X-Movies:
X-MEN:
The X-Men, Magneto and the Brotherhood, and Senator Kelly
X2:
The X-Men, Magneto and Mystique, and Stryker and his associates
X3
The X-Men, The Brotherhood, and the government

Now, if there's an X4, The Hellfire Club is essentially one entity. They're not the deepest villains out there. Sinister is one villain, and would essentially play a Cobra Commander type role in X4 before emerging as a force to be truly reckoned with.

So you'd have:
The X-Men, Magneto and his associates, The government, and The Hellfire Club, which would likely include Sinister and the Marauders.

It's a lot of characters to be sure, but I really do think it's doable. The X-Men universe is a big one. It should feel like a world, and not just a storyline.

With a decent runtime, and the proper focus on this or that, I think it can work. Granted, that's a longshot for a Hollywood writing team, but still...

Shaw and Trask could be involved for political/military elements (similar to Senator Kelly in the first film, The President/Stryker in the second, and Trask/The President in the third), and The Sentinels could be in development, but we need not see them right off the bat, and if we do, it doesn't need to be their final form or only appearance.

However I do like the outline you presented here.

Thank you. I should dig out my outlines. I wrote a YOUNG X-MEN prequel, and an X4 and X5, and bits of an X6 featuring The Shadow King and the return of Phoenix.

Actually, I'd say keep Magneto in the movie...but not as the villain. I'd like to see them follow the one storyline where he becomes headmaster of the school and one of the X-men.

He worked alongside the X-Men in X2. Not longterm, but then I kind of doubt this version of Magneto ever would ever work as a member of the team. I think it's got to be Magneto founding some kind of mutant refuge. Not Asteroid M, but perhaps something in some version of The Savage Land.

Why are so many of you obessed with Apocalypse being in the next x-men movie?

I think they should build to him, as its a huge, sprawling concept, but I don't think he should be the villain of the next film.

I do agree that Sinister should essentially be the "Magneto" of the second trilogy, if there is one.

 

[sauronthegreat]

^TheVelvetOnion
I completely agree with this.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

^TheVelvetOnion
I completely agree with this.

That is because i am a genius, and you have good taste

 

[webhead9707]

I have no idea. Given their importance, how do you not address Magneto and The Brotherhood, especially given Magneto’s revelation at the end of The Last Stand??? Then again, The Brotherhood as villains would be terribly redundant and rather pointless. Still, they can’t just disappear. At the same time, however, X-Men 4 needs a fresh villain, but said villain needs to be relevant so as not to come off as some lame one-shot villain, as X-Men 5 and 6 are doubtful. This is why I hate thinking about X-Men 4. There is so much unresolved crap, and crap is exactly what it is (Cyclops in a forest, Magneto re-powered, Professor Xavier in a formerly brain-dead body, etc).

If I had to choose, I guess I would choose someone like Sinister, or maybe even someone like Proteus, while staying away from characters like Apocalypse.

cyclops in the woods??? did i miss something?

 

[Deaths Head II]

So should Magneto play no role in the sequel?

He should have a role but probably not as a reluctant ally or a villain because we've seen him in both those roles. I think the idea of him making a mutant refuge would be good. I also like the idea of him becoming headmaster of Xavier's school, but I don't see him joining the team immediately after X3. Even in the comics Magneto softened up a great deal as a villain before he joined the team, so they would at least have to have one film showing his character develop to the point that he would be willing to become the new headmaster. The current Magneto would have to make a giant leap to switch sides too suddenly, but with him temporarily cured it might be possible. As someone mentioned, he spent time as a human and it might've changed his thinking. I think having Magneto soften up and eventually become a headmaster for the Xavier institute would be way more interesting conclusion to the character then just have him have ANOTHER final showdown with the X-Men (yawn).

 

[Rodimus Primal]

Mr Sinister that brings about the Sentinels attacking both him and the X-men. Plus have it alluded to that Sinister works for Apocolypse.