World X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[newwaveboy87]

apparantly the theory has been around for years, and has just now been, well i guess you could say, proven.

 

[imaperson2]

i have 2 older brothers

 

[pyromaniac]

I know this doesn't relate to the topic and I understand the reasoning, but..............

That is probably the biggest reason why so many fans had a problem with the X-films. Singer let his own ego and personal desires get in the way of making a film that for all intent and purposes should have been made to please the fans (ala SM) first and NOT make some personal statement from the director. We all know X-men is essentially a social allegory--alright, enough already--we know damnit! Stop shoving it down our throats!! We wanted an X-men movie based off of the comics fans have all grown to love and cherish for their humanity and the fantastic world they live in.

In other words: Don't use something that everyone loves and was expecting a truer version of to make your own personal statement. It's wrong and it's an insult to the fans. If Singer wanted to make a personal movie that was a social allegory he could identify with, he should have used another vehicle-preferably his own and not someone elses material.

Yes there are other factors that caused the X-films to come out the way they did, but I feel Singer's ego was clearly one of the biggest factors.

Damn!! I can't believe they messed up one of the greatest comics of all time!!!

Um. Yeah.

Singer did not bring his own agenda to the fore: the fact that Xmen was already a minority had existed, all Singer had to do was bring it in the open, so to speak.

And when you say 'we all know', do you mean, just the fans or the general audience too? Because, clearly, the audience aren't fans and wouldn't know about the material nor its social relevance that parallels a society we live in.

Please.

If anything, his Xmen films have been very subtle, and they were what exactly the Xmen were about: not everyone who possess unique powers are automatically a superhero.

Shoving it down on our throats, LOL. You're the first person in six years to say that, I think. I'm not sure how you thought you're actually speaking for us, because I don't think we have been insulted. We probably have more trivial things to worry about, ie the lack of Wolverine's mask...

Christ - homosexuality in the media is an opportunity that the means should exploit more, so the Xmen films were a good example particularly that they were metaphorical to begin with.

 

[cyclonesfury]

X3 lost the atmosphere of an oppressed minority
it didnt seem to have a a deeper meaning which people could relate to

 

[newwaveboy87]

are you joking me!?
the very idea of a cure for an oppressed minority is a huge deal. THAT is a deeper meaning to which people could relate and latch onto.

think about it for a moment - if there was a cure to make a homosexual person a heterosexual...would they do it? if there was a cure for one person to change their ethnic background...would they do it? religious? their gender?

 

[cyclonesfury]

introducing the cure was a brilliant idea but rattner did not emphasise it enough to be the core part of the film

 

[newwaveboy87]

....
yes it was.
Dark Phoenix was the actual subplot, and was mixed in with The Cure.

 

[cyclonesfury]

oops it could be worded better
yes the cure was the issue which the film revolved around but it wasnt given enough emphasis which it deserved; being the major theme of the film

 

[newwaveboy87]

what would you have done to give it more emphasis?

 

[cyclonesfury]

good question
i would have shown more characters reactions towards the cure
the only people that actually made a point about the cure was storm and rogue
if the director gave other veiws towards the cure then it would have emphasised the issues involving the cure and contributed to character development

 

[newwaveboy87]

i disagree with you.
Magneto's viewpoint was shown for The Cure. and all of his followers were in agreement.
Xaiver's point of view was shown - it is a matter of choice for a mutant to make and it must be respected as such. as was Beast's - while it's hard for him to be a mutant and look like how he does, he thinks taking the cure isn't a coward's way out and that it's a matter of choice. Iceman's was shown indirectly by telling Rogue that her curing herlsef wasn't what he wanted. Angel's was shown by his escaping his father's forced curing and flying away from him.

the characters all had moments to show their opinions about the cure.

 

[cyclonesfury]

they may have had moments but IMO they were too breif which made the plot seem shallow

 

[newwaveboy87]

i think they worked fine. sure, they could've been longer, but the decision was made to make the movie an hour and forty minutes. for the time frame they managed to get all of the character's opinions known and moved on.

you also have to remember - the X-Men franchise is two-folded. it is both a housing of ideas and analogies for modern struggles of minorities and an action/adventure franchise. a balance needs to happen. i think they found a nice one in XTLS.

 

[cyclonesfury]

i think the plot was compromised by the action

 

[newwaveboy87]

i think the action was mixed in really well.
Magneto's entire plan was to destroy the cure, those who made - including Leech, and any mutant who stood in his way.

the X-Men naturally had to stop him.

besides, this was the war that had been talked about since X1. action was needed. although, i'm not going to lie...the movie could've used an extra 20 minutes for a few slower paced scenes.

 

[cyclonesfury]

just a few questions i know it probably doesnt belong in this thread but...
is x men post modernist?
and does it show signs of the human condition?

 

[cyclonesfury]

content was good but its the way they presented it

 

[newwaveboy87]

ah well...can't please everybody.


X-Men does show signs of the human condition. several plot lines have revolved around acceptance, tolerance, love, sacrifice, betrayal, redemption, love, hate, racism, and war.

which version of X-Men are talking about being post-modern? comics? films?

 

[cyclonesfury]

just the whole thing in general

 

[newwaveboy87]

ummm....i wouldn't consider comics to be post-modern. i'd consider them to be a form of pop art i suppose.
they're not elitist, they're mass produced, and they reflect the current culture.

 

[cyclonesfury]

cant current issues be reflected upon through a postmodernist perspective

 

[cyclonesfury]

current issues-- i mean it as current issues in society

 

[newwaveboy87]

they can.
but post-modernist is such a vague term and usually just means "weird for the sake of weird." post-modernist also has people covering buildings up in giant cloth material and calling it art.

i think pop art is the best description of a comic book.

 

[cyclonesfury]

but then it wouldnt be called modernist either

 

[squeekness]

I thought X3 showed the many perspectives that even a "gay" cure would bring -- Magneto violently against it, Wolverine saying do it only if that's what YOU want, Rogue wanting the cure and taking it, and Worthington Sr almost forcing his son to take it. Seems like they covered all the bases pretty well to me....