Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread

[GuestStar2004]

Iconic queen of standing around!

The walking dead even before the Walking Dead became famous.

Sophie could never come close.

I like how you hate on everything with this movie but found a way to justify that because its famke ;p

 

[marvelrobbins]

this could very well be another last stand.but ignoring skeptism it's kinberg doing it no reason to assume it will be disaster in theory.it's execution that remains to be seen.

This film could untill third act be a ailen invade earth to kill jean out of fear film.third act could have final showdown on moon between x-men and imperial guard and this could be where jean loses it.

how could genosha fit.they could already have magneto having turned it into haven for mutants.and both mystique and quicksilver are in genosha with him.the acolytes which would have his soldiers in genosha.with sh'iar after jean x-men could go to genosha to seek help.

Kinberg may have driven inspiration from wolverine and the X_men animated show as well as the dark phoenix storyline.

last 2 kinberg scripted x-men films also drew influences from wide sources

X-men days of future-based off 616 version of storyline plus future scenes of dark future parts of wolverine and the x-men.new timeline may have been influced by show have days of futre past future became age of apocalypse future.nods to ultimate X_men #6-Magneto taking control of sentinles and X-men #25 magneto impailing wolverine

X-men:Apocalypse-prologue influed by x-men evolution.apocalypse in 1983 influeced by fall of the mutants storyline in 616.magneto,and storm as horseman taken from X-Men evolution.cyclops and nightcrawler influeced by x-men evolution.jean cross between x-men evolution animated show and ultimate X-men comic version.wolverine cameo taken from weapon x comics.

it's even possable going into space is wrong and kinberg will have x-men vs imperial guard and jean losing control be in genosha.wolverine and the x-men had before timeline changed phoenix destroy genosha with power.

 

[Weather Witch]

While I get that including Genosha in Dark Phoenix gives people TLS flashbacks, I also remember a conversation I had just after watching X-Men: Apocalypse that essentially went like this.

"So you think they'll be bringing Erik and Raven back?"
"Maybe, but what would you do with those characters now?"
"I think this might be a good place for them to introduce Genosha. Erik is no longer directly opposing Charles, but he has also seen that Charles' way doesn't work because of the loss of his family. Genosha or something similar would be a good compromise."
"Sure, but Fox wouldn't be smart enough to do that."

Not saying this can't go wrong, or that it should be explored in this particular movie, but Genosha would make perfect sense for Erik at this point in his life.

 

[psylockolussus]

She won't be in the movies since she is in The Gifted..

The movies won't even acknowledge those shows.

 

[marvelrobbins]

While I get that including Genosha in Dark Phoenix gives people TLS flashbacks, I also remember a conversation I had just after watching X-Men: Apocalypse that essentially went like this.

"So you think they'll be bringing Erik and Raven back?"
"Maybe, but what would you do with those characters now?"
"I think this might be a good place for them to introduce Genosha. Erik is no longer directly opposing Charles, but he has also seen that Charles' way doesn't work because of the loss of his family. Genosha or something similar would be a good compromise."
"Sure, but Fox wouldn't be smart enough to do that."

Not saying this can't go wrong, or that it should be explored in this particular movie, but Genosha would make perfect sense for Erik at this point in his life.

genosha could be their way of having magneto both as not an outright villain,although who knows about future films,and have him pursure different way than xavier's way.

while people can moan about apocalypse all they want fact remains that film made 543 million worldwide.Kinberg obviously sold fox on building from that with bringing back first class cast and doing more comic booky stuff like ailens and genosha.

i am very skeptical of kinberg's ability to execute final product but unlike some who seem to want it to fail so they can play the told you so or push reboot agenda I want this film to seceed but preparing myself for the worst.

and we have no idea actuly how characters screentime go.wolverine in dofp didn't take away from first class cast.sony mislead people into thinking stark would be co-star of homecoming.so far we are left with rumors on dark phoenix because apart from hollywood reporter talking about lilandra noone is talking.That may wait for comic con or to empire magazine inless kinberg does interviews in fall about the gifted.

 

[marvelrobbins]

from twitter it looks like they today are filming something with large group of extras since photo of extras lining up is on twitter.

 

[Zant]

If Genosha is introduced I hope its a recurring location in these films like the x mansion or Asgard in the Thor films. I hope they don't introduce it just to destroy it. If they do destroy it, I want the Sentinels to do it down the line.

I wonder if Dazzler is a performer there.

 

[Ryan1210]

from twitter it looks like they today are filming something with large group of extras since photo of extras lining up is on twitter.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Hmm what if the X-Men reaches out to Magneto on Genosha to help with Jean or to hide her from the Shi'ar or government. I mean Genosha is supposed to be a sanctuary for mutants so maybe the X-Men will need to seek refuge (for Jean's crimes) and perhaps Mystique is their too. It'll be a different way to introduce Magneto/Mystique and bring them into the plot, the X-Men turning to their once former enemy/friend.

 

[marvelrobbins]

that;s it os something big may be filming.

 

[The Guard]

Why can't it be Genosha is just a location that appears in Dark Phoenix? Why are you propping it up like its going to a huge story?

This.

It's likely just where Magneto has been and what he has been up to during the past 7-10 years, and maybe the setting of a major sequence. It'll help establish political stakes. These films have never been about just Jean or The Phoenix Force, and it makes sense for Magneto's actions to be escalating gobal tensions between humans and mutants as the film opens. The emergence of the Phoenix force will likely cause things to boil over.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peUlP2mO5DA

awesome

 

[Lip]

Why can't it be Genosha is just a location that appears in Dark Phoenix? Why are you propping it up like its going to a huge story?

What is the point of introducing Genosha when there is already too much going on for one movie? Or why just showing Genosha for the sake of it? This franchise doesn't have enough of wasting stuff?

Eric shouldn't even be in the movie

 

[DACrowe]

so, the meaning of this scene is ambiguous (own interpretation)

Bryan Singer genius!

It was definitely hedging their bets if Fassbender came back. I had hoped it merely would mean he would fight with the X-Men to save Jean. But nope, looks like he is going to get his own whole separate storyline possibly involving Genosha. And this is also going to have aliens and fights on the moon in it? Yeah, if Matthew Vaughn was making it, I would trust he could balance it all. But that is not the case.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tbh we don't know if there will be any other planet fights going on, the X-Men may stay on earth for all we know.

Its fair to say that Genosha will be a location more then anything so whatever happens there doesn't exactly restricting development

Only thing it really does is say its gonna be different to what people have expected.

But then people automatically expect its gonna be a direct adaptation of the story that follows every single beat.

 

[DACrowe]

Why can't it be Genosha is just a location that appears in Dark Phoenix? Why are you propping it up like its going to a huge story?

Clearly. Because we know so much.

Is that what they are doing?

Looking at precedence of The Last Stand and how scattered X-Men: Apocalypse felt. While I don't hate Apocalypse, it isn't very good and I get why people hate it. And this movie doesn't appear to have learned its lesson. It is going to have tons of characters that will need to be introduced, fighting for the bare minimum of screen time.

What the franchise needs to do is narrow its narrative focus. It can go in space, but the plot should be clean and character-based. One of the reasons DOFP worked so well is that other than the future sequences, it was really only focused on four or five major characters in 1973 and they were all revolving around a central point of conflict: Mystique and her desire to assassinate Trask. Magneto's plot line was in reaction to that and led to him to go about solving this problem in his own, villainy way.

We now know that this movie will be introducing Dazzler and several other new mutants, keep Magneto in the thick of it even though he left the mansion, and now will possibly be introducing Genosha and/or Asteroid M, and/or the Hellfire Club while definitely trying to do the cosmic Phoenix Saga right, complete with the Shi'Ar empire and a presumable gladiator match in space as the finale (which is necessary for doing the Phoenix Saga right). This also means Lilandra's Imperial Guard need to have some kind of presence and minimal development so they aren't just special effects.

That is an awful lot for one movie to handle, particularly for a first-time director. In fact, it is more top heavy than Apocalypse. And after Apocalypse, I had hoped they learned their lesson, but this appears to be doubling down on the same mistakes while also mirroring one of the biggest ones in The Last Stand, which was attempting to do the Phoenix Saga and something else. Call me a pessimist, but I have tried to give this movie and Kinberg the benefit of the doubt for months, yet this is just sounding like the same old mistakes from previous debacles, which is so frustrating.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wouldn't be shocked if space wasn't where the final battle is.

I am very sceptical that you will see these characters on another planet.

 

[DACrowe]

Tbh we don't know if there will be any other planet fights going on, the X-Men may stay on earth for all we know.

Its fair to say that Genosha will be a location more then anything so whatever happens there doesn't exactly restricting development

Only thing it really does is say its gonna be different to what people have expected.

But then people automatically expect its gonna be a direct adaptation of the story that follows every single beat.

I assume with an original working title like "Supernova," that space will figure. I mean why introduce the Shi'Ar if you aren't going to space? You could just as easily have it be the US government who is after Jean if you want to keep it earthbound.

 

[BeholdMe]

TBH the main focus could still be on Phoenix while the Genosha stuff could be a much smaller part of the story, heck it could be like 25% of the movie.

Its not like after all that Fassebender is currently in montreal is it? so it probably will be abit of a smaller sub-plot, maybe they take jean to Genosha as a safe place to hide out.

Now obviously it won't please anyone who wanted to see Genosha get its own 2 hour movie but most people always seemed to suspect it would be a subplot more then anything anyway.

I have no problem whatsoever with this if this is how they play it, I just didnt want to the focus to shift from what its supposed to be about to revolve around Mags. If used in the way you described then it actually does make sense and I wont have a problem unless they elevate Magneto and the others are cardboard in the background everyone can have purpose and have a voice. If they meet Mystique and Mags halfway through the movie in Genosha to help protect Jean that will give us a lot of development with the new cast and give the chance o build with them, since I would think Quicksilver will still be with the XMen unless he already confronted Magneto about being his father. Maybe the final battle ends up being there rather than on the moon, which as someone stated if your not going to space why use the Shiar it could've been someone on earth trying to come for Jean for that matter. Right now not much makes sense.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I assume with an original working title like "Supernova," that space will figure. I mean why introduce the Shi'Ar if you aren't going to space? You could just as easily have it be the US government who is after Jean if you want to keep it earthbound.

Alien invasion? they come to us, we don't go to them.

 

[DACrowe]

Alien invasion? they come to us, we don't go to them.

Still in that case, I think some type of space bound battle is necessary. Otherwise, it just will seem kind of moot. Kind of like how Apocalypse is supposed to be an ancient being with the impulses of ancient deities... but kind of just plays like every other Saturday morning cartoon villain you've seen with a pretty generic final battle.

Since Kinberg wrote that script, I don't think you're necessarily wrong. But if you must do Phoenix now, go big or go home. And even in the same year as Infinity War, setting it in space and making it where you do not know if the X-Men are on the right side or not? That is new and something we have not seen before. Alien invasion? Avengers did it, Man of Steel did it, Justice League is doing it, and there is a good chance that Infinity War will do it too.

 

[Sithborg]

Looking at precedence of The Last Stand and how scattered X-Men: Apocalypse felt. While I don't hate Apocalypse, it isn't very good and I get why people hate it. And this movie doesn't appear to have learned its lesson. It is going to have tons of characters that will need to be introduced, fighting for the bare minimum of screen time.

What the franchise needs to do is narrow its narrative focus. It can go in space, but the plot should be clean and character-based. One of the reasons DOFP worked so well is that other than the future sequences, it was really only focused on four or five major characters in 1973 and they were all revolving around a central point of conflict: Mystique and her desire to assassinate Trask. Magneto's plot line was in reaction to that and led to him to go about solving this problem in his own, villainy way.

We now know that this movie will be introducing Dazzler and several other new mutants, keep Magneto in the thick of it even though he left the mansion, and now will possibly be introducing Genosha and/or Asteroid M, and/or the Hellfire Club while definitely trying to do the cosmic Phoenix Saga right, complete with the Shi'Ar empire and a presumable gladiator match in space as the finale (which is necessary for doing the Phoenix Saga right). This also means Lilandra's Imperial Guard need to have some kind of presence and minimal development so they aren't just special effects.

That is an awful lot for one movie to handle, particularly for a first-time director. In fact, it is more top heavy than Apocalypse. And after Apocalypse, I had hoped they learned their lesson, but this appears to be doubling down on the same mistakes while also mirroring one of the biggest ones in The Last Stand, which was attempting to do the Phoenix Saga and something else. Call me a pessimist, but I have tried to give this movie and Kinberg the benefit of the doubt for months, yet this is just sounding like the same old mistakes from previous debacles, which is so frustrating.

You are judging a lot, and I mean a lot, based on unconfirmed speculation. The whole Genosha claim is based on what was obviously a costume test. And the Hellfire Club stuff is based on a casting sheet, and the video who made the speculation was trash. Seriously, they were making terrible picks on those descriptions. Hell, those descriptions easily apply to Imperial Guard and/or Acolytes. Dazzler is going to have a bit part, just like Jubilee. Not a whole lot to worry about there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

To be fair there is no evidence to suggest the hellfire club are involved in the movie, that is gonna be something we will have to wait for confirmation about.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That is new and something we have not seen before. Alien invasion? Avengers did it, Man of Steel did it, Justice League is doing it, and there is a good chance that Infinity War will do it too.

I suppose the question is why do they always do the alien invasion stuff and never have the heroes go to other planets? like why can't we see batman on another planet? why are the transformers movies on earth and don't send the human characters to another planet? why is there a reluctance to go off planet?

I still think they can go big with it even if its mostly on earth. it just depends on what the idea is for the alien arrival.

 

[Frankeh]

Still in that case, I think some type of space bound battle is necessary. Otherwise, it just will seem kind of moot.

This has already been described as a space opera by a mod with insider info so I once again doubt the Shi'ar will be an Earth based threat.