Sequels X-Men: First Class

[Peter McCabe]

actually again, his death was off screen. Jean only thinks she killed him. There's several things that could have happened to scott.

Agreed. We never actually saw his death. We’re just left to assume and assumptions could go either way. Storm and Wolvie finding Jean unconscious in the forest indicates that Scott realizing something was wrong, pulled away from the kiss of death at the last moment and Jean lost control of his eye beams. Something similar to their X2 fighting must’ve occurred, but bigger judging by the whole lake and surroundings being vaporized(which explains why Wolverine couldn’t track his scent) and they’re sent flying back in the opposite directions. Jean ends up unconscious, but Scott ends up in a coma(which explains why Xavier couldn’t sense him). Someone finds him and takes him to the hospital and he wakes up when Fox decides to make an X4

You're both forgetting the real reason we all know that Scott is dead - Xavier.

Xavier felt the pain Scott felt when he was killed. He later confirms this in the scene at the house where he uses the issue of Scott's death in trying to control Jean again.

All doubts that the audience had of Scott's death, all the hopes they had of Scott being alive went out the window the moment Xavier told Jean "You killed the man you love because you couldn't control your power!!!"

Scott Summers is dead.

this is not an assumption, its just the way things are.

 

[LightningFlash]

That comment is going to go over well.

Well....

The theme of an oppressed minority is intrinsic to the franchise, so some parallels to the gay rights movement is to be expected. They should probably expand the focus to religion, race, and sex as well though. Those are a bit more serious issues.

^^ That's what I meant.

Singer only wanted "one" tone for his movies it felt like, and even when he directed SR.

It's fine, if a gay man makes a movie and wants underlying tones for those films, but the case mostly happens with them having gay tones, and nothing else. Not about race, religion or anything else. And X2 would have been a perfect use for religion with Nightcrawler being Catholic and how religion pushes "different" people away all the time.

 

[Project862006]

peter Xavier also thought jean was dead at end of x2 and x3

 

[Peter McCabe]

peter Xavier also thought jean was dead at end of x2 and x3

Actually, I don't think Xavier ever really believed she could kill herself.

He is seen looking out the window before the end of X2 and that scene cuts to the scene by the lake where the flames are seen in the water.

In X3, before Jean kills Scott, Xavier is already sensing her presence. This is comfirmed in the commentary by Zak Penn who says when Storm tells him "There's something you're not telling us" and he stays mute, he is indeed thinking about the presence of Jean that seems to be calling for him.

She was doing it to both Scott and Charles.

Charles knew how to handle it while Scott was too vulnerable and allowed it to brainwash him.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I would think Xavier would have reacted if Jean was trying to contact him, especially if he thought she was dangerous now. Considering her power level, it wouldn't have taken long for her to find a way to get out of some water. And considering the first thing he did when she returned was try to meet her, it doesn't make sense.

And X2's ending also implied Xavier was reassured, not "ohmygodwhenisjeangonnacomeback". But I guess thats another problem with the flow of the films between X2 and X3.

 

[DCnightwing23]

First off ill say im a straight up fan of "Troll" dont know if you guys have heard of it? But theres supposed to be a remake. And so i found this site thats having auditions with teens and kids that are auditioning for the role. Lmao. Okay well i thought maybe some of them were pretty decent.

Maybe some ideas for unknown actors?? To be cast in the First Class film

 

[DCnightwing23]

^ Heres the website http://www.sharenow.com/relations/profile/troll/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You're both forgetting the real reason we all know that Scott is dead - Xavier.

Xavier felt the pain Scott felt when he was killed. He later confirms this in the scene at the house where he uses the issue of Scott's death in trying to control Jean again.

All doubts that the audience had of Scott's death, all the hopes they had of Scott being alive went out the window the moment Xavier told Jean "You killed the man you love because you couldn't control your power!!!"

Scott Summers is dead.

this is not an assumption, its just the way things are.

1) it's never said that xavier felt his death. He certainly didn't get a migrain when jean died in X2. What he most likely felt (like most telepaths feel in the x-men universe) is a psychic surgence caused by jean when she rose and went crazy

2) Xavier assumes Scott is dead. His range honestly isn't that far. Which is why he uses Cerebro. Everyone assumes scott is dead, even jean. Assuming does not mean dead.

so your very wrong on that one. Just because things SEEM a certain way, DOES NOT mean they are.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well....



^^ That's what I meant.

Singer only wanted "one" tone for his movies it felt like, and even when he directed SR.

It's fine, if a gay man makes a movie and wants underlying tones for those films, but the case mostly happens with them having gay tones, and nothing else. Not about race, religion or anything else. And X2 would have been a perfect use for religion with Nightcrawler being Catholic and how religion pushes "different" people away all the time.

what gay theme was in the x-men movies other then "coming out" as a mutant? and that was done once, with bobby.

feeling different, and persecuted fits every minority.

 

[neemer5]

I'm not warming up to an original, "First Class" X-Men. Too many good characters would have to be rewritten in the film world to make it stick, and Patrick Stewart would have to be replaced, and I just can't see that.

Plus, they've collected such a great cast of young X-Men in the current franchise, it would be such a waste not to use them.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Scrap the entire continuity from the previous movies and use Uncanny #1 as reference to modernize and create a reboot movie. Kill the notion of using "johnny-come-lately" characters that came much later in the X-Men's ranks. I say start off the movie with the original O5, then end the movie with them in a position where their odds are against them and they could get captured. Start off the second movie with the Giant Sized characters (ONLY), establish their backstories, and have them search for and rescue the O5 from the previous threat (which should only make a very brief cameo at the end). Come movie three, you have both teams already established, bring in some of the other solo characters to the institute (Rogue, Gambit, Bishop, etc.), and as a finale' have them go up against a world wide threat. Or, leave it open to create more movies.

 

[Canemacar]

Edit- Nevermind. Uncalled for.

 

[bullets]

But isnt it possible for Jean to have transferred him to the cocoon? Since she was so powerful as the phoenix she probably created a cocoon and trapped him there? Idk ive just always liked the Cyclops character. If you go to wikipedia for x-men 3 its said the people she "killed" werent killed but sent to another dimension. Maybe Professor X figures that out and gets Cyclops out.

My fingers are crossed on that one.

 

[Cyma]

You're both forgetting the real reason we all know that Scott is dead - Xavier.

Xavier felt the pain Scott felt when he was killed. He later confirms this in the scene at the house where he uses the issue of Scott's death in trying to control Jean again.

All doubts that the audience had of Scott's death, all the hopes they had of Scott being alive went out the window the moment Xavier told Jean "You killed the man you love because you couldn't control your power!!!"

Scott Summers is dead.

this is not an assumption, its just the way things are.

Why was Jean unconscious then? Everything destroyed around her? If Scott had managed to knock Jean out cold(something neither Professor nor Magneto were able to do), then that’s proof right there he’s very much alive! And how would Jean be certain she killed him when she wasn’t conscious?

If Xavier absolutely and positively knew Jean had been alive and so dangerous and killed Scott, then why risk sending Logan and Storm and not accompanying them to Alkali Lake? And after finding the floating ruby glasses, and Jean’s ‘kill me before I kill someone else’, they all assumed she killed him. Xavier might’ve sensed Scott’s pain, but wouldn’t the pain be same if Jean knocked him into a coma? Is he able to sense an unconscious person or one who’s in a coma?

Everyone just assumed poor Scott dead.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why was Jean unconscious then? Everything destroyed around her? If Scott had managed to knock Jean out cold(something neither Professor nor Magneto were able to do), then that’s proof right there he’s very much alive! And how would Jean be certain she killed him when she wasn’t conscious?

If Xavier absolutely and positively knew Jean had been alive and so dangerous and killed Scott, then why risk sending Logan and Storm and not accompanying them to Alkali Lake? And after finding the floating ruby glasses, and Jean’s ‘kill me before I kill someone else’, they all assumed she killed him. Xavier might’ve sensed Scott’s pain, but wouldn’t the pain be same if Jean knocked him into a coma? Is he able to sense an unconscious person or one who’s in a coma?

Everyone just assumed poor Scott dead.

exactly, plus his "death" was much different then everyone elses she destroyed. The whole area was telekenetically charged, and shouldn't cyclop's glasses have been destroyed?

 

[Deaths Head II]

I also always figured the "psychic scream" to be Jean's. Didn't Wolverine and Storm feel it too? Looking back on it, it doesn't make much sense for Phoenix to create such an effect if she was just ripping Scott apart.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

it was a psychic surgance. in the comics, Xavier can usually feel it when there is a massive one somewhere in the world. (killing scott would not have been massive, but jean losing control would have

 

[neemer5]

Jean did say, "stop me before I kill again," since this can only apply to Scott at that moment, and it was Jean, not Phoenix speaking, I hold it true. Xavier did come back in some form. Whether it was Jean's or Xavier's doing... who knows. All I can say for sure is:

Scott's dead
Xavier's alive
Magneto is slowly getting his powers back, as might Rogue and Mystique

 

[DCnightwing23]

Well atleast Cyclops will for sure be alive in X-Men First Class. For how long? God knows lmao

 

[The Overlord]

Scrap the entire continuity from the previous movies and use Uncanny #1 as reference to modernize and create a reboot movie. Kill the notion of using "johnny-come-lately" characters that came much later in the X-Men's ranks. I say start off the movie with the original O5, then end the movie with them in a position where their odds are against them and they could get captured. Start off the second movie with the Giant Sized characters (ONLY), establish their backstories, and have them search for and rescue the O5 from the previous threat (which should only make a very brief cameo at the end). Come movie three, you have both teams already established, bring in some of the other solo characters to the institute (Rogue, Gambit, Bishop, etc.), and as a finale' have them go up against a world wide threat. Or, leave it open to create more movies.

Why would that make movie series better?

 

[Downhere]

Well atleast Cyclops will for sure be alive in X-Men First Class. For how long? God knows lmao

Well, they couldn't kill him off considering that doesn't technically happen until X3.

 

[bullets]

I don't understand why anyone is expecting a reboot.It won't happen anytime soon.

 

[javi1024]

From a Lauren Schuler Donner interview with Sci Fi Wire:

How much will the reaction to Wolverine affect Magneto?
Shuler Donner: I think this is partly to do with it, yes. And then we have First Class, which is based on the X-Men comics' first class and is very literal to the title. It's the first class in Xavier's school. But that's just being written. I haven't even seen a first draft. And I'm producing that with Simon Kinberg.
What interests you about First Class as a potential franchise?
Shuler Donner: I like kids. I did produce Pretty in Pink and St. Elmo's Fire. I do like those kind of teenage movies; I really do. Part of it takes me to my roots. It's action. There seems, to me, to be more humor, or more potential for humor. I really like that idea. The relationship ... I don't want to get into what the script is about, but it provides a bit of a lighter touch to the franchise.

file://scifiwire.com/2009/04/magneto-prequel-still-pos.php

so, now i'm back to thinking "Who are we talking about here?".

 

[Slim]

Fun and humour go with the First Class, but I just really hope it's not cheesy humour like Fantastic Four. And just because the First Class is a little bit more light-hearted, I hope that they don't shy away from the seriousness of persecution and the fact that these kids had serious problems.

 

[Mogwai]

^agreed.