Comics X-Men: Last Man Standing (Round 3)

[Intheknow101]

Okay..new one.

Preview of next round (possibly):

Shadowcat vs. Storm. How can Storm defeat someone she can't affect?

She bores them to death with her preachy talks.

"So yesterday T'Challa and I were at the grocery store. You won't believe it, someone didn't call me a goddess when they gave me the reciept, so I had to give them this long speech on why I was one. You know because I'm so beautiful, and great and perfect. I'm..."

::Shadowcat phases her own heart out::

 

[Optic Rage]

lol its so true...

 

[FieryBalrog]

Let's make a new thread. Phoenix debate has been done extensively and Sebita has been schooled extensively. Lets move on.

For the record though I still think Storm can beat Havok.

 

[Intheknow101]

Phoenix is Jean becoming an abstract concept? If she's abstract then she can't have a bodym which will leave her as usefull as the current state of Joseph, merged with the electromagnetic field of Earth. If she's abstract then she can't exist on this plane of reality, meaning she can't be an X-Man

Back to Storm vs Kitty:
Who says she can't affect her?? Phasing does not make her immune to cold. She just needs to fly a little, create a flash freeze and boom, Hypothermia Kitty in a second.

Except she has and does have a body so you're wrong. Her becoming the creation and life is what allowed her to bring herself back from the dead several times now.

 

[FieryBalrog]

looks like The Jean vs Storm fight started a lttle early...

lol, so true. They need to give us our own little forum.

 

[Exploding Boy]

lol, so true. They need to give us our own little forum.

And it should be Sticky

 

[FieryBalrog]

And it should be Sticky

No, THIS forum should be a sticky in our Jean vs Storm forum.

 

[Valechan]

I second that motion, FieryBalrog... and actually it's not Storm vs Jean, it's kinda more like "Jean fans claim Jean is Phoenix even when Marvel says she isn't".

 

[Exploding Boy]

It would be endless

 

[Intheknow101]

I second that motion, FieryBalrog... and actually it's not Storm vs Jean, it's kinda more like "Jean fans claim Jean is Phoenix even when Marvel says she isn't".

yeah right... despite the actual books that Marvel publish saying otherwise.

 

[Exploding Boy]

I second that motion, FieryBalrog... and actually it's not Storm vs Jean, it's kinda more like "Jean fans claim Jean is Phoenix even when Marvel says she isn't".

Even when Endsong says she is, but why does that matter?

Did you just ignore my post about Ororo getting owned!?!?!?!

 

[Valechan]

There was no image there, you can't link from a tripod page, young padawan.

 

[Exploding Boy]

****

 

[Valechan]

Well it's been fun, but I gotta go, see ya on the next round.

 

[Intheknow101]

Oh look Storm gets owned by telepathy once again despite her will and resistance. She even states later that Psylocke is too powerful to resist. Emma and particularly Jean have always been better telepaths than Betsy.

 

[Exploding Boy]

 

[FieryBalrog]

I second that motion, FieryBalrog... and actually it's not Storm vs Jean, it's kinda more like "Jean fans claim Jean is Phoenix even when Marvel says she isn't".

funny thing is your bio itself says she's a piece of the Phoenix Force. And all the recent continuity that you've been extensively schooled with.

 

[Wolverazio]

Back to Storm vs Kitty:
Who says she can't affect her?? Phasing does not make her immune to cold. She just needs to fly a little, create a flash freeze and boom, Hypothermia Kitty in a second.

....I don't see why this is so hard to understand (except for you Sebita, I know...Storm could beat God).

generate magnetic repulsion within her body to become ephemeral, allowing her to pass through solid objects, walk on thin air, utilize her magnetic distortion to scramble electronic systems, and extend her intangibility to anything she touches

Phasing means moving out of the physical plane...freezing is a physical (chemical) reaction.

But there's nothing there for Storm's powers to react with.

IE, Storm must bow before a new goddess. And the reason why we jump on you is because you hold strong to facts that don't exist. Even Pejo will re-evaluate himself [it is a himself, right?] in the face of new facts [I got him to in Onslaught vs. Phoenix]. You, on the other hand, make a bold claim, "No X-man can defeat Storm."

What about Cable, who was able to instantaneously break down and recombine the molecules of several structures while able to protect himself from a raging Silver Surfer?

What about X-Man (cheating b/c he's Cable at max, I know, but still).

 

[Exploding Boy]

This is what we need

 

[Intheknow101]

Ladies and gentleman for your viewing pleasure...Storm getting owned by another telepath despite (you guessed it) being resistant. Jean would mind **** her and leave her in a fetal position on the floor.

 

[FieryBalrog]

lol

the funny thing is its not just this forum. Its a rivalry wherever I go.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Yeah Storm sucks TP wise.

 

[HandOfFate]

Oh look Storm gets owned by telepathy once again despite her will and resistance. She even states later that Psylocke is too powerful to resist. Emma and particularly Jean have always been better telepaths than Betsy.

Why don't you show the rest of the fight? You know the part where she fight a group of X-Men who are under the mental control of the Nanny.


quote=Intheknow101
1) Emma only did it afte a Shiar power surge. If she was capable of doing that at any time she would have done it originally to any of the Hellions to save herself. It's just the type of person Emma was. Jean did this instinctively and effortlessly.

No, the power surge might have awaken her but she jumped into Bobby’s body by herself.

2) Psylocke did the same thing to a very weakend Juggernaut that just got his butt handed to him by Onslaught and knocked half way cross country. In fact that's the reason why Betsy's attacked succeeded. Jean did it to a fully powered Juggernaut.

Another time, Read Uncanny X-Men 218

3) X-Factor 25. The thing she was holding up was "thousands of tons." Sure she strained, but thousands of tons is no small feat. And she continued to do despite the strain until Archangel split it in half with her wings.

Wait, Wait did it say thousand of tons?

4) They called it hyperspace. Which means she was flying pretty damn fast. Faster than Storm can fly for sure.

What does Storm have to do with this subject? Your dislike for the character is showing.

5) No she was by a white star in that issue if I remember correctly and dealt with Binary while she was at it.

Looks like we both got some reading to do, huh…?

6) Psylocke once again only did it when Fabian Cortez boosted her powers. Don't recall Xavier or Shadowking doing it with such ease and finesse as Jean.

You might want to read some old issue of Uncanny X-Men.

7) UXM 356 or UXM 357. She rearranged the molecules of her clothes to the phoenix costume and it shocked everyone.

I would almost be impressed if it wasn’t for the fact that Storm has done the same thing (Now don’t ask me how?). Again not seeing that all powerful Omega effect here.

Also she accessed Cable's tk via her telepathy(because she didn't have tk) and rearranged not only their clothes but somehow changed them so even electronic detectors couldn't tell they were mutants.

So this was not Jean’s powers.

Also when she was barely concious she moved the oxygen molecules around Cassandra so fast that it caused a massive explosion that blew apart her armor.

See now that’s cool.

9) His armor was indestructable. She destroyed it. That's takes an incredible amount of power.

Again not impressive when you have a telekinetic of Jean’s caliber. The parts of the suit might have been indestructible but the mechanism holding the suit together where not.

11) No she was holding back each individual one. She even said that she can feel each one struggling against her tk. But not surprising since she can manipulate molecules.

I really think I have a higher standard for Jean then you do. What you consider extreme example of power I see them as normal Jean.

12) Except that wasn't Professor X. Did u not read the story? Onslaught had powers and abilities that neither Xavier or Magneto have. Because you know telepathy can't knock someone physically. That was probably Magneto's powers at work.

Well that’s not true. Prof X against a sentinel and Psylocke against Sabretooth have both used their mental powers to do physical damage.

Here the thing about Onslaught, he was the unfetter powers Prof. X at the begin. The only thing he got from Magneto was the evil part of his soul, not his powers. The evil part of Magneto’s soul caused Xavier to release his full power upon the world. AAMOF, Onslaught didn’t exhibit any electro-magnetic abilities until later on in the story, even then Marvel doesn’t explain how get got electro-magnetic powers. Hopefully the upcoming Onslaught story will shed some light on this.

I’ve always found Xavier’s powers interesting seeing that he is the only telepathy to jump through the sub-atomic doorway to the micro-verse and use the mental energy of 8 billion Skrull to try and sway Galactus hand

 

[HandOfFate]

Let's totally forget how Storm almost kills Emma the next time she trys to use her telepathy on her.

My personal theory is that there is one human piece per universe, which makes up the Phoenix Corps shown in Here Comes Tomorrow. Jean is the human piece for the 616 universe.

It odd that you would say that seeing that Storm was the host of the Phoenix Force in another universe.

 

[Intheknow101]

The point was to show that she's not quite so resistant to telepathy as made out. And she says herself that Psylocke's telepathy is too powerful to resist. Psylocke has never been on the skill or power level of Emma or Jean.

Why don't you show the rest of the fight? You know the part where she fight a group of X-Men who are under the mental control of the Nanny.


quote=Intheknow101
1) Emma only did it afte a Shiar power surge. If she was capable of doing that at any time she would have done it originally to any of the Hellions to save herself. It's just the type of person Emma was. Jean did this instinctively and effortlessly.

No, the power surge might have awaken her but she jumped into Bobby’s body by herself.

2) Psylocke did the same thing to a very weakend Juggernaut that just got his butt handed to him by Onslaught and knocked half way cross country. In fact that's the reason why Betsy's attacked succeeded. Jean did it to a fully powered Juggernaut.

Another time, Read Uncanny X-Men 218

3) X-Factor 25. The thing she was holding up was "thousands of tons." Sure she strained, but thousands of tons is no small feat. And she continued to do despite the strain until Archangel split it in half with her wings.

Wait, Wait did it say thousand of tons?

4) They called it hyperspace. Which means she was flying pretty damn fast. Faster than Storm can fly for sure.

What does Storm have to do with this subject? Your dislike for the character is showing.

5) No she was by a white star in that issue if I remember correctly and dealt with Binary while she was at it.

Looks like we both got some reading to do, huh…?

6) Psylocke once again only did it when Fabian Cortez boosted her powers. Don't recall Xavier or Shadowking doing it with such ease and finesse as Jean.

You might want to read some old issue of Uncanny X-Men.

7) UXM 356 or UXM 357. She rearranged the molecules of her clothes to the phoenix costume and it shocked everyone.

I would almost be impressed if it wasn’t for the fact that Storm has done the same thing (Now don’t ask me how?). Again not seeing that all powerful Omega effect here.

Also she accessed Cable's tk via her telepathy(because she didn't have tk) and rearranged not only their clothes but somehow changed them so even electronic detectors couldn't tell they were mutants.

So this was not Jean’s powers.

Also when she was barely concious she moved the oxygen molecules around Cassandra so fast that it caused a massive explosion that blew apart her armor.

See now that’s cool.

9) His armor was indestructable. She destroyed it. That's takes an incredible amount of power.

Again not impressive when you have a telekinetic of Jean’s caliber. The parts of the suit might have been indestructible but the mechanism holding the suit together where not.

11) No she was holding back each individual one. She even said that she can feel each one struggling against her tk. But not surprising since she can manipulate molecules.

I really think I have a higher standard for Jean then you do. What you consider extreme example of power I see them as normal Jean.

12) Except that wasn't Professor X. Did u not read the story? Onslaught had powers and abilities that neither Xavier or Magneto have. Because you know telepathy can't knock someone physically. That was probably Magneto's powers at work.

Well that’s not true. Prof X against a sentinel and Psylocke against Sabretooth have both used their mental powers to do physical damage.

Here the thing about Onslaught, he was the unfetter powers Prof. X at the begin. The only thing he got from Magneto was the evil part of his soul, not his powers. The evil part of Magneto’s soul caused Xavier to release his full power upon the world. AAMOF, Onslaught didn’t exhibit any electro-magnetic abilities until later on in the story, even then Marvel doesn’t explain how get got electro-magnetic powers. Hopefully the upcoming Onslaught story will shed some light on this.

I’ve always found Xavier’s powers interesting seeing that he is the only telepathy to jump through the sub-atomic doorway to the micro-verse and use the mental energy of 8 billion Skrull to try and sway Galactus hand

No it was because of the power surge that she was able to jump.

I don't have that issue on hand.

Yes it was mentioned as THOUSANDS of tons.

I'm merely pointing out that Jean can dish out just as much damage as Storm if not more so considering she destroyed his armor while Storm didn't even leave a scratch. Difference in power level here. Omega versus...well not. His armor was completely indestructable. She shattered it. No where does it say that certain parts of it were vulernable. If that was the case Fitzroy wouldn't have said "Impossible!"

Yeah I wish I had that issue with me. It's a good read.

It was with Jean's powers in UXM 357 and New X-Men 116. Jean did it because she manipulated molecules, each individual one. She was in street clothes. Storm was able to do what she did because of unstable molecules. The fact that she can even use someone else's TK to do such things shows she has the skill and no how.

Onslaught was an amalgam of Xavier/Magneto and had lots of extraneous powers that neither had. You're assuming it is Xavier that knocked him out which can't be proven or disproven. Onslaught possessed all the extraneous powers to begin with since he teleported and did various non-telepathic things.