X-Men - Part 1

[roach]

Nothing about the way Cyclops has been written to this point strikes me as making an entire 180 and saying, "Whoops! My bad, guys. We totally should have never left the Mansion. Let's go build it again. It'll be awesome."

The move should not be done if it makes poor sense from a character standpoint.

im just going by what Marvel has said...the reason for the Schism is Scott goes back to the old ways and Logan wants to continue the new ways

 

[Havok83]

Nothing about the way Cyclops has been written to this point strikes me as making an entire 180 and saying, "Whoops! My bad, guys. We totally should have never left the Mansion. Let's go build it again. It'll be awesome."

The move should not be done if it makes poor sense from a character standpoint.

Its not about him realizing he should have never left. It was necesary for the time, but the way things are, isnt the only option anymore.

 

[Manic]

The X-Men had a strategic base and home in the Marin Headlands just outside of San Francisco that Scott established as a type of embassy for mutantkind and humankind. It even had classrooms in it. He sorta created that base with Charles' old dream still in mind. And unlike Charles' old house, the Marin base doesn't need to be rebuilt; it's still in one piece.

So even if Cyclops and a team of X-Men are forced to leave Utopia, they don't have to go back to New York.

 

[El Bastardo]

That there may be other options in the present doesn't make it necessary to return to an abandoned spot, nor make it a particularly good option.

 

[roach]

The X-Men had a strategic base and home in the Marin Headlands just outside of San Francisco that Scott established as a type of embassy for mutantkind and humankind. It even had classrooms in it. He sorta created that base with Charles' old dream still in mind. And unlike Charles' old house, the Marin base doesn't need to be rebuilt; it's still in one piece.

So even if Cyclops and a team of X-Men are forced to leave Utopia, they don't have to go back to New York.

if there is a schism and one team stays on Utopia...the other team isnt gonna move across the bay

 

[Havok83]

I would like to point out that one of the last times we saw the grounds where the mansion once stood, something else was already being built in its place when Emplate returned at the site. So there's a good chance they can't even build a new school there because there's something else already in its place.

they were in the early process of building something. Maybe the project never got done. Maybe Emplate showing up and attacking the workers, scared whoever wanted to live/operate there away bc being on a former mutant facility might not be the best idea

So even if Cyclops and a team of X-Men are forced to leave Utopia, they don't have to go back to New York.

No they dont, but that doesnt mean its a bad idea

 

[El Bastardo]

if there is a schism and one team stays on Utopia...the other team isnt gonna move across the bay

Why not? It was all financed by Warren, I believe. If he's okay with it, it works.

 

[roach]

Why not? It was all financed by Warren, I believe. If he's okay with it, it works.

because it seems like there is gonna be some bad blood between the two teams

 

[El Bastardo]

Bad blood is fine, all well and good. Cyclops and Wolverine might come to blows and hate each other, but I doubt all the rest of the X-Men would let either of them kill the other one, or want to kill each other. And I doubt Cyclops or Wolverine would want to kill any of the other mutants.

So bad blood = whatever.

 

[Manic]

So where do guys think everyone will fall after Schism?

W/Wolverine-Angel, Psylocke, Fantomex, Magneto
W/Cyclops-Emma, Kitty, Colossus, Xavier

Everyone else I'm not so sure.

Cyclops would probably get Emma, Shadowcat, Colossus, Professor X, Part-Time Storm, Dazzler, Northstar, the New Mutants, the X-Club, Rogue, and a vast majority of the students.

Wolverine would get Archangel, Psylocke, Warpath, Gambit, the Brotherhood, the Acolytes, and Armor.

Magneto could go either way. He'd agree with Wolverine's methods, but probably trust Cyclops' judgement more.

if there is a schism and one team stays on Utopia...the other team isnt gonna move across the bay

Why not? Scott's X-Men are the guardians of San Francisco; he's not going anywhere. Besides, having the two teams so close to one another would create better tension than having them on opposite sides of the country.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Its not about him realizing he should have never left. It was necesary for the time, but the way things are, isnt the only option anymore.

It's so nice to have leaders who stick to their convictions when it's convenient. Really noble.

 

[Havok83]

Why not? Scott's X-Men are the guardians of San Francisco; he's not going anywhere. Besides, having the two teams so close to one another would create better tension than having them on opposite sides of the country.

Having 2 opposing X-teams within the same space is rather redundant

 

[roach]

Having 2 opposing X-teams within the same space is rather redundant

precisely the point

 

[Manic]

Having 2 opposing X-teams within the same space is rather redundant

If a team moved to New York, that'd still happen with X-Factor.

 

[El Bastardo]

The Legacy team is stationed on Utopia. The Uncanny team is stationed on Utopia.

Their stories aren't redundant at all.

It thus follows that one team based on Utopia and one team based in SF would not have reundant stories, but would, as Manic pointed out, provide for increased tension.

 

[Havok83]

If a team moved to New York, that'd still happen with X-Factor.

X-Factor is a non factor. X-factor isnt really an X-men team and keeps to itself. Always has.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

... Except when it crossed over with all the other X-titles in Messiah Complex. Or when it did so again in Second Coming. Or when Cyclops showed up in X-Factor to b**** at Jamie.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Wolverine: Angel, Psylocke, Fantomex, X-Men: Legacy, Colossus, Shadowcat, Domino, Armor, Warpath, Jubilee

Cyclops: Emma Frost, Iceman, Charles Xavier, Storm, New Mutants, Young X-Men, Generation Hope

 

[El Bastardo]

... Except when it crossed over with all the other X-titles in Messiah Complex. Or when it did so again in Second Coming. Or when Cyclops showed up in X-Factor to b**** at Jamie.

Haha.

 

[Manic]

X-Factor is a non factor. X-factor isnt really an X-men team and keeps to itself. Always has.

They keep to themselves because they live on the opposite side of the country from the X-Men. Back when both teams lived in New York, X-Factor hated the X-Men.

 

[Havok83]

... Except when it crossed over with all the other X-titles in Messiah Complex. Or when it did so again in Second Coming. Or when Cyclops showed up in X-Factor to b**** at Jamie.

One crossover; Messiah Complex. X-factor was kept seperate from the X-men in Second Coming. They barely interact and dont worry about each other on a regular basis. X-factor pretty much does its own thing. I dont see them all of a sudden start being anymore associated with the other if an X-men team were to move to Westchester than before.

 

[Manic]

One crossover; Messiah Complex. X-factor was kept seperate from the X-men in Second Coming. They barely interact and dont worry about each other on a regular basis. X-factor pretty much does its own thing. I dont see them all of a sudden start being anymore associated with the other if an X-men team were to move to Westchester than before.

Who's saying they'd be associated with one another? My point was that if the X-Men moved to New York, they'd be in conflict with X-Factor just the same as having two opposing X-teams in San Francisco.

 

[Havok83]

Who's saying they'd be associated with one another? My point was that if the X-Men moved to New York, they'd be in conflict with X-Factor just the same as having two opposing X-teams in San Francisco.

Where exactly is X-factor? You know I dont read that book. Are they in Westchester?

 

[Specter313]

One crossover; Messiah Complex. X-factor was kept seperate from the X-men in Second Coming. They barely interact and dont worry about each other on a regular basis. X-factor pretty much does its own thing. I dont see them all of a sudden start being anymore associated with the other if an X-men team were to move to Westchester than before.

Um...

I know it was kinda separate, but they were still pulled into it.

 

[Manic]

Where exactly is X-factor? You know I dont read that book. Are they in Westchester?

They're in New York City. If Cyclops moved to Westchester, he'd still want the X-Men to be proper superheroes, and that'd mean frequent trips to NYC.