X-Men - Part 4

[Mad Ones]

He really isn't. Which is why Beast really frustrated me when he told the O5 that Cyclops is going to cause a mutant genocide. I really hope one of the O5 joins him.

 

[chamber-music]

Beast should of probably told Jean she would get possessed by the Phoenix and wipe out a solar system or Warren that he will become Apocalypse heir when his Archangel persona takes over and wipe out a entire town in Northern Montana.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bendis didn't redeem Iron Man. He continued Iron Man right along the morally ambiguous line from Civil War with his appointing Wolverine to the Avengers as their go-to assassin and revealing the Illuminati and s***. The Knaufs redeemed Iron Man and then Fraction reset him to an earlier version of himself that was literally not responsible for anything in Civil War.

Yeah, if anything Bendis made him even worse. Hell he even appointed Ares to the Avengers so they can have a Wolverine/Thor combination. The Knaufs on the other hand gave Iron Man a sense of honor during Civil War that other writers refused to give him in the other books.

 

[OcStat]

I enjoyed reading the different sides of Iron Man through Civil War. Some made him out to be a d-bag, but his solo book and some of the one shots added some depth and reasoning to why he did some of the things he did.

Can someone explain to me how/when Kitty got herself out of that Breakworld Bullet?

 

[Specter313]

I enjoyed reading the different sides of Iron Man through Civil War. Some made him out to be a d-bag, but his solo book and some of the one shots added some depth and reasoning to why he did some of the things he did.

Can someone explain to me how/when Kitty got herself out of that Breakworld Bullet?

To prove himself to the X-Men that he had changed and wanted to follow Scott, Magneto used his powers to pull the bullet to earth and set her free.

 

[Havok83]

Beast should of probably told Jean she would get possessed by the Phoenix and wipe out a solar system or Warren that he will become Apocalypse heir when his Archangel persona takes over and wipe out a entire town in Northern Montana.

Guess you aren't reading the series? Beast let Jean into his mind and ahe got to experience all that. She's knows everything about what happened with her

 

[OcStat]

To prove himself to the X-Men that he had changed and wanted to follow Scott, Magneto used his powers to pull the bullet to earth and set her free.

That actually sounds pretty gnarly and is one of the last things I would of expected.

 

[Havok83]

It was pretty stupid that Magneto was even able to do that. I also had issues with him doing so much to go out of his way to save Kitty, yet his daughter Lorna was MIA in space and he never even talked about trying to find her

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yeah, how long was that bullet traveling around in space? Just how powerful was Magneto when he could ****ing do that?

 

[Manic]

It had been hurdling in space for so long, he shouldn't have even been able to find it. It would've been too far away.

That bullet was the size of an island. He shouldn't have been powerful enough to destroy it.

The bullet had a hypnotic effect that stops people from attacking it while in flight. The moment he tried to use his powers on it, Magneto should've gone into a trance and simply fantasized destroying it. That was a freaking plot point in "Unstoppable."



Way to go, Fraction.

 

[Havok83]

well Fraction wrote the story surrounding Kitty's return so that explains that

 

[squeekness]

Lol, Loeb would have made believe she was never out there at all. He is really good at conveniently forgetting things....

 

[Hawkingbird]

well Fraction wrote the story surrounding Kitty's return so that explains that

Oh stop whining, we got Kitty back t:

 

[BoredGuy]

Seriously!^

Kitty's becoming so important to the X-family at this point that I couldn't imagine these books without her in them. W&tXM and ANX are both establishing her importance in the mutant community as the next Xavier. If it wasn't her, we'd probably still have Pixie getting an undeservedly large push.

And on a related note, what happened to Hope?
She was supposed to be the mutant Savior, and she pretty much did her thing
Now she's relegated to a side character in the Cable&X-Force book?
Helluva demotion...

 

[runawayboulder]

They should have just killed her off or used her to be missing piece in bringing back Jean Grey. Instead she goes down in history as being one of the most useless characters in Marvel history.....and I loved Messiah Complex and the Cable solo that spun out of it.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Does anyone else get the impression that they changed direction regarding Hope, from when they first introduced her? I just don't feel like they really intended her to just be a host for the Phoenix Force. I feel like there was originally some Jean-something to her that they dropped.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I think they wanted us to think that there was Jean connection. Whether they ever planned on actually delivering that, I'm not sure we'll ever know.

I'm disappointed they didn't. I think I'm one of the few people that wants to see the real Jean come back.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I don't think you're one of the few at all. Tons of people wanted Jean back.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I don't get why people/Marvel want this younger Jean around, so you can "have Jean, but without all of the baggage of older Jean." I WANT the baggage that comes with Jean. I want the one who has been through all this crap. When I wanted to read young X-Men without the baggage, I turned to Ultimate. They have since changed the entire direction of the Ultimate line, though. Where it was once "a fresh start"/trying to bring in new readers, it is now just as messed up as 616, if not moreso. I'm not saying current Ultimate books are bad (only thing I have really read since the awful Ultimatum was Spider-Men), but even before that, they were moving away from the original idea behind that line. I think the biggest problem at first was trying to tell updated versions of EVERY major storyline within the first few years, at least in books like X-Men.

 

[runawayboulder]

I think they never had a clue as what to do with her.

I wish there was some kind of investigative journalism that can get the inside track on these things so we can all point and laugh at how dysfunctional the comic book creative process can be. All these web sites just want to buddy up with writers and editors just to kiss their ass.

 

[Manic]

I don't think they had any real plans for Hope until just before they did Second Coming. Even then, I don't think their plans for Hope during Second Coming panned out in the end; I remember promo images of Hope that teased the possibility that she might turn Dark Phoenix. In the end, she manifested the Phoenix raptor like twice and every character acted like it didn't even happen.

If any writer from Marvel walked up to me and told me the events of AvX were planned out way back when they did Messiah Complex, I'd laugh in their face. I might believe they always planned for the mutant messiah to turn into the Phoenix and just restart the mutant race (something I think we all assumed would happen, even if you thought the baby would turn out to be Jean), but that's about it.

 

[BoredGuy]

I don't get why people/Marvel want this younger Jean around, so you can "have Jean, but without all of the baggage of older Jean." I WANT the baggage that comes with Jean. I want the one who has been through all this crap. When I wanted to read young X-Men without the baggage, I turned to Ultimate. They have since changed the entire direction of the Ultimate line, though. Where it was once "a fresh start"/trying to bring in new readers, it is now just as messed up as 616, if not moreso. I'm not saying current Ultimate books are bad (only thing I have really read since the awful Ultimatum was Spider-Men), but even before that, they were moving away from the original idea behind that line. I think the biggest problem at first was trying to tell updated versions of EVERY major storyline within the first few years, at least in books like X-Men.

Marvel's obsessed with getting back their old characters

it's why they're also continually reverting Spider-Man back to his 60's roots
They seem to think they can get more kid readers if they have kid superheroes

but speaking personally, I started reading X-Men when I was 7 because they were cool, badass adults who I aspired to someday emulate
Never been a fan of teenage superhero stories...

 

[runawayboulder]

It depends on the writer and if they are tuned into how modern kids think. When I was a teenager, some writers got it and some writers wrote kids that, if I ever ran into somebody like that in real life, I'd punch them in the face......repeatedly.

 

[Manic]

If Marvel wants to get more kids to read comics by using teen characters, maybe they should give their current crop of teenaged character a push. Sure the Young Avengers get plenty of love, but where are the Runaways, Young X-Men, and Avengers Academy kids? How come the biggest push Arana got was being Ms. Marvel's sidekick (nobody even bought Ms. Marvel's comic)? Why aren't Nico and Pixie serving as Dr. Strange's students? Why aren't the younger members of the X-Men being put in the casts of the main comics with the adults? Get on the ball, Marvel.

 

[BoredGuy]

Wolverine and The X-Men has a nice balance of students and Adult superheroes
hence, I guess, why it's my favorite thing to ever involve the teenagers