X-Men - Part 5

[Havok83]

It was shown in Children's Crusade that the other Wanda appearances were a robot (modified doombot if I'm not mistaken) which made Clint feel rather icky.

I stand corrected then. Still fake robots, magic manipulation, etc....it all came across way too contrived and convenient the lengths went to redeem her with all those retcons. Marvel dug themselves into a hole and they knew it. I doubt Scott will get those and he doesn't need. I prefer how he owns who he is

 

[chamber-music]

It was shown in Children's Crusade that the other Wanda appearances were a robot (modified doombot if I'm not mistaken) which made Clint feel rather icky.

Marvel loves human on robot action for some strange reason

 

[Specter313]

Marvel loves human on robot action for some strange reason

I think someone on the editorial staff has a fetish....

 

[Havok83]

How do you have sex with a piece of metal and not realize its not human? That's some crazy hex that must have been placed on him

 

[BoredGuy]

I'm sure the ladybits aren't made out of steel tubes... realdolls, helloo


god, I'm ashamed of myself for taking part in this

 

[blalex620]

They definitely did go through hoops to bring Wanda back on the good side. I'm sure they'll eventually do the same for Scott. I know you want Scott to own who he is and what he did but in the Marvel U that's not going to happen. We'll eventually see some contrived way for the world to love mutants and Scott again.

So 3 issues in what does everyone think of the all female X-Men? I personally love it. And Psylocke with a mental bow and arrow, loved it!

 

[runawayboulder]

She was always able to make psychic katanas and broadswords so a bow and arrow makes sense. I think she might have done psychic throwing stars too at one point, but I can't be sure.

 

[Havok83]

They definitely did go through hoops to bring Wanda back on the good side. I'm sure they'll eventually do the same for Scott. I know you want Scott to own who he is and what he did but in the Marvel U that's not going to happen. We'll eventually see some contrived way for the world to love mutants and Scott again.

So 3 issues in what does everyone think of the all female X-Men? I personally love it. And Psylocke with a mental bow and arrow, loved it!

They better not say Scott has been a clone sent by Sinister this whole time. Ill be done with Marvel for a while if they pull off some BS like that....

As for Psylocke, I didn't like her using a psychic bow and arrow. That was Dani's signature. I prefer Betsy to stick to the knives and katanas. The book has been good so far but I didn't like the conclusion to the arc. It ended too abrupt and didn't live up to the build up they had going into the final issue. I'll miss Copiel's art bc he's one of the best and much better than Dodson. I really wish they had put Mann on this as his style is at least similar to Copeil

 

[javi1024]

I probably should have given the new Xbook more of a chance but the first issue didn't grab me and I wasn't too keen on keeping up with ANOTHER on-going so I never read another issue. Plus the all-female wasn't too appealing to me and I could get my Psylocke fix with X-Force so I don't feel I'm missing much. Am I wrong?

 

[blalex620]

I don't mind Psylocke having a bow and arrow. It'll be interesting to see what other weapons she uses since they said they have some surprises for us. The arc did kind of end abruptly but I don't think it's fully over by a long shot.

And it gets better. It's interesting to see the dynamics between Rachel and Psylocke after what happened in the end of the 3rd issue. Plus they even have cameos from students too.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I probably should have given the new Xbook more of a chance but the first issue didn't grab me and I wasn't too keen on keeping up with ANOTHER on-going so I never read another issue. Plus the all-female wasn't too appealing to me and I could get my Psylocke fix with X-Force so I don't feel I'm missing much. Am I wrong?

Of the four X-Men books that I read regularly, it's probably my second favorite behind All New X-Men (ahead of Uncanny and Wolverine & the X-Men). The first issue was decent, the second was about the same, the third was really good with the exception of an abrupt conclusion to the story. But like someone said above me, I get the impression the story isn't over.

 

[Mad Ones]

I have to say that I'm really happy with the X-books. I actually think they're the best they've been since I've started reading. The decimation era is over and the books are exploring mutants properly from multiple different angles. All New X-men is my favourite, mainly because of Teen Jean and how contemplative it is regarding where the X-men stand after forty years of stories, and where they will go in the future. X-men is my second favourite because I love the family feel, while being concise and action packed. Uncanny is pretty good. I like revolutionary Cyclops a whole bunch, but the art and this new redundant group of students does not impress me. Wolverine and the X-men is my least favourite, but at least there is a book out there that is lighter in tone and doesn't take itself too seriously.

I don't read any of the X-forces though.

Nothing still even comes close to Grant Morrison. I honestly think he's the best X-writer of all time. I know that that's a pretty divisive opinion though.

 

[OutcryX]

Grant Morrison..best X-writer of all time??? eh, to each their own. the dude writes compelling stories and ends them in death. it's become his schtick. and tired. that and he filled the school with some of the weirdest damn characters that quickly disappeared after his run.

I'll take Lobdell, Nicieza, Seagle and Kelly (any of them) over him any day of the week. He was better than Davis though. Austin had moments..as did Claremont on X-treme...Morrison is the most over rated X-writer in my opinion. Whedon being second.

 

[squeekness]

Aw, I like Whedon. He writes the best dialog, witty and snappy.

 

[runawayboulder]

Chris Claremont was the best X-Men writer of all time IMO.

I'd put Morrison at #2, Scott Lobdell at #3, Joss Whedon at #4 and prob Steve Seagle at #5. Seagle rejuvenated the X-Men a bit when they were starting to sputter out in the late 90's. I'll give an honorable mention to Mark Waid who was outright killing it with his short time on X-Men vol 2 before he started butting heads with Lobdell and quit the book.

 

[Havok83]

I preferred Kelly's work in Xmen over Seagles in Uncanny but both were good. I'd rank them, Kelly, CC, Lobdell, Gillen and Morrison in that order. Strictly core books of course

I would say Whedon is the most overrated writer by far.

 

[BoredGuy]

Hey, Whedon made Cyclops cool
If that's not an achievement I dunno what is...

 

[JewishHobbit]

Lobdell for me followed by Claremont (I even like his Revolution era stuff). An X-Men writer that I don't think gets the credit he deserves is Casey. From bringing Chamber to the team to X-Corps, he was just really good. He even introduced Stacey X and made her semi-interesting (until Austen turned her into Porno-Woman). I liked Kelly's run, too.

Morrison would be high on my list if not for his ending destroying the X-Men (in my opinion). I like Whedon but feel like a lot of his ideas weren't anything original or special... just done well.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Hey, Whedon made Cyclops cool
If that's not an achievement I dunno what is...

You know, that's true. I always thought Cyclops was cool, but Morrison went and killed his character for me. Whedon brought him back, which was awesome, but then Fraction or whoever went and made him uncool again. Now he's just sorta there, not cool or uncool.

 

[Havok83]

I loved Brubaker's stuff and went back and forth whether to put him as my 5th or not but ultimately I think Morrison had a more solid run even if I didn't like some of the things he did. Bru would defiantly get an honorable mention from me

Hey, Whedon made Cyclops cool
If that's not an achievement I dunno what is...

Morrison ruined Scott and Whedon's Scott was just an extension of that. I didn't start to like the character again till Gillen took over and his Scott was the best interpretation of the character in the last decade IMO

Lobdell for me followed by Claremont (I even like his Revolution era stuff). An X-Men writer that I don't think gets the credit he deserves is Casey. From bringing Chamber to the team to X-Corps, he was just really good. He even introduced Stacey X and made her semi-interesting (until Austen turned her into Porno-Woman). I liked Kelly's run, too.

Morrison would be high on my list if not for his ending destroying the X-Men (in my opinion). I like Whedon but feel like a lot of his ideas weren't anything original or special... just done well.

I thought Casey's run for the most part was boring and he had a terrible lineup. Didn't help that the art wasn't good for a good chunk of his run

 

[JewishHobbit]

I loved Brubaker's stuff and went back and forth whether to put him as my 5th or not but ultimately I think Morrison had a more solid run even if I didn't like some of the things he did. Bru would defiantly get an honorable mention from me

Bru's run was decent but will always be tainted because of the pointless death of Banshee.

Morrison ruined Scott and Whedon's Scott was just an extension of that. I didn't start to like the character again till Gillen took over and his Scott was the best interpretation of the character in the last decade IMO

Yes, Morrison ruined Scott and Whedon picked up on that, but I think Scott was in a better place when it was over than when it began. His final arc was a great Scott moment. And yeah, Gillen's run was really good. I didn't think about him. His Scott was the first time in years that it felt like Scott. Sadly, Bendis didn't take that with him when he took over. He writes Scott more like how Fraction did, which isn't a good thing.

I thought Casey's run for the most part was boring and he had a terrible lineup. Didn't help that the art wasn't good for a good chunk of his run

The art was definitely hit or miss. I liked Churchill for the 3 issues he did and Raney for what he did. A lot of the rest sorta sucked though. And I think I liked the team because I always like underdogs. Angel, Iceman, Chamber, and Nightcrawler are all big enough to be appealing but small enough to play with my love of secondary characters. I thought it was a fantastic line up. And of course, they threw Wolverine in there. Oh well.

 

[Havok83]

I never could get over how he decided to go with an all male lineup and when he finally added a female, it was that ghastly Stacy X. I wish he had added one or two of the Gen X or New Mutant/X-Force girls.

 

[runawayboulder]

I preferred Kelly's work in Xmen over Seagles in Uncanny but both were good. I'd rank them, Kelly, CC, Lobdell, Gillen and Morrison in that order. Strictly core books of course

I'm the opposite, Kelly's work bored me on X-Men while Seagle was doing the opposite on Uncanny. They did work well as a team though. I think fans were so sick of the X-Men at that point that it was a no win situation for them.

 

[javi1024]

If I had to rank my favorite X-writers it would probably be something like: Lobdell, Claremont/Whedon in second, Kelly, Casey, Gillen, Fraction. I know Fraction is almost the death kiss for most people but he was doing something different with the X-Men, and while it wasn't perfect, I liked what he did from forming Scott's Alpha team, the Utopia crossover, to Second Coming. Gillen, Casey, and Kelly are all writers I really feel got short-changed on their runs. I wasn't reading comics during their times, but after hunting down back issues Kelly and Casey's runs are bright spots in my collection. I will always remember Kelly is the writer that made me fall in love with Marrow. And Casey's all male team, drawn by Sean Phillips, was something I went in expecting to hate and left wishing he'd kept writing through til the Reloaded relaunch. And Gillen really should have kept on with his plans after AvX. Not that Bendis is doing a poor job. I just loved how he wrote these characters.

And I'm actually a little shocked at the Whedon hate. I mean, to each his own, but to me he got the X-Men back down to basics and wrote and epic 25-issue story that can be reread as if it were its own graphic novel. It's the only series I've re-bought 3 times- single issues, digital, omnibus, plus I've been considering buying the two trade volumes!

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't want to be that guy who always defends Grant Morrison, but I think he got the X-men more than anyone else since Claremont. He knew how freaky and weird the X-men are and really celebrated it. He had great ideas, from Xorn's special class, to Mutant Town, to the X-Corps. He created the Cuckoos, wrote the best Jean and Emma I've ever read, and made Cyclops interesting. He completely deconstructed the X-mythos, while still writing a nod to Claremont.

I think Claremont is probably the best X-writer because he made the franchise what it is, but because Morrison is more contemporary and since comics have come a long way, his run is more readable. Aside from Utopia, Fraction's run was completely unremarkable. Whedon told extremely well written stories, and I think Astonishing holds up really well. It was an instant classic. Gillen was really good, but he didn't really have a chance to shine (though his AvX tie-ins were the best part of that event).