X-Men - Part 5

[chamber-music]

All of them had a thing for Jean at the early X-Men days even Xavier (which was wrong on many levels).

Warren and Scott really loved Jean though and in the end she choose Scott. It seemed like Hank and Bobby had a crush on her because she was hot and the only female at the school at the time more than they were deeply in love with her or anything like that.

 

[javi1024]

Bobby wasn't interested girls when he met Jean, which is a little strange because pretty soon after we saw him and Hank going on double dates at the Coffee A Go-go with Zelda and Vera. But yeah eventually it boiled down to Scott and Warren with a brief stint with some guy she met in college along the way.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think Bendis covered his tracks with the simple mention that he never said anything because he knew she and Scott loved one another. I'm cool with that.

 

[Mad Ones]

I know the X-men series started in the 60s, but it's still gross to read how the one female on the team was written. In 2013 Bendis made it even worse. Just gross. gross. gross.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Reign of terror might be a little bit too strong in describing it. He was demanding in terms of excellence. He stopped all the double dipping that was going on in Marvel's voucher program. He also found tardiness unacceptable. If he felt a writer was constantly late because of their workload, he'd take books away from them, even if it was taking money away from them because it was costing the company money. He tightened up a loose ship if anything. A lot of this alienated the veteran writers, so they bailed and went to DC.

IMO, Shooter was a mixed bag. On one hand, he did a great job with things that you mention he refused to accept tardiness and was demanding in terms of excellence. He also fostered some great talent like Frank Miller and John Byrne. But on the other hand, he really did rub a lot of people the wrong way and could have handled the job in a less dickish manner.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I know the X-men series started in the 60s, but it's still gross to read how the one female on the team was written. In 2013 Bendis made it even worse. Just gross. gross. gross.

Worse in what way?

 

[Donnie Darko]

Just saw X-Men: Gold one-shot on the November solicitations. I guess I will skip the other books and just pick that up for the 50th anniversary celebration.

 

[blalex620]

The new issue of UXM was great. Glad to see Dazzler back, my only gripe is though her working with S.H.I.E.L.D. is annoying. Shoot S.H.I.E.L.D. itself is starting to annoy me. It's like they're supposed to be the police force of the MU yet they'll arrest a 16 year old kid, tie him up and interrogate him. Like seriously

 

[Specter313]

Well, no offense, but Fabio's dad did pull a gun on her with absolutely no provocation and completely overreacted to the situation.

 

[blalex620]

Well, no offense, but Fabio's dad did pull a gun on her with absolutely no provocation and completely overreacted to the situation.

When it comes to that I would of done the same thing as her. What I'm getting at is when she has Fabio tied up to a chair like he's about to get the stuffing beat out of him. They mention he's 16 and how Scott kidnapped him but then do the same thing. Last time I checked minors needed their parents with them to be interrogated by the police (they're not the police I know but close enough). Fabio tries to tell Dazzler how Scott saved him from almost getting killed by police and mutants and they ignore that like it means nothing. S.H.I.E.L.D. wants to brand Scott a terrorist yet they'll overlook the fact that every mutant he helps is about to, or in Hijack's case does, get attacked by police and or Sentinels.

 

[Havok83]

The new issue of UXM was great. Glad to see Dazzler back, my only gripe is though her working with S.H.I.E.L.D. is annoying. Shoot S.H.I.E.L.D. itself is starting to annoy me. It's like they're supposed to be the police force of the MU yet they'll arrest a 16 year old kid, tie him up and interrogate him. Like seriously

Fabio wasnt arrested. He was taken in for questioning. Theres a big difference. He may have information that may lead them to apprehend a criminal. No charges were brought up against him and theres no reason to believe that they would hold him in a jail cell after questioning him. SHIELD going to him made perfect sense in context with the story and its what would happen in the real world had this been lets say the FBI or CIA in the same situation

When it comes to that I would of done the same thing as her. What I'm getting at is when she has Fabio tied up to a chair like he's about to get the stuffing beat out of him. They mention he's 16 and how Scott kidnapped him but then do the same thing. Last time I checked minors needed their parents with them to be interrogated by the police (they're not the police I know but close enough). Fabio tries to tell Dazzler how Scott saved him from almost getting killed by police and mutants and they ignore that like it means nothing. S.H.I.E.L.D. wants to brand Scott a terrorist yet they'll overlook the fact that every mutant he helps is about to, or in Hijack's case does, get attacked by police and or Sentinels.

I love the current Scott and defend him but he IS a criminal. He is a fugitive that escaped prison. He didnt wait for a trial and was never cleared of any of his charges. The only way for him to be a free man is to get an official pardon at this point, but fleeing the authorities and acting like a vigilante isnt helping his case. He cant just proceed to be free without going to the proper legal channels to make it happen, even if he is doing good.

And technically he did kidnap Fabio as well as the other underaged teenagers bc he had no consent from their parents to take them. Xavier got away with this back in the day bc his students were admitted to the school by their families. Scott never got such consent so thats another crime he's committed. Unless they are emancipated, of legal age or have no legal guardian, then these kids cant decide for themselves to take up with a known criminal.

 

[Havok83]

double post

 

[Wandi]

Brain Wood's run has been one of my books of the year, so far. Pretty hyped for Amazing, too.

 

[blalex620]

Fabio wasnt arrested. He was taken in for questioning. Theres a big difference. He may have information that may lead them to apprehend a criminal. No charges were brought up against him and theres no reason to believe that they would hold him in a jail cell after questioning him. SHIELD going to him made perfect sense in context with the story and its what would happen in the real world had this been lets say the FBI or CIA in the same situation

While this does make sense it still paints S.H.I.E.L.D. as the bad guy. Remember they made mention that Fabio was only 16. So if they were only questioning him why is he locked in a cell like room with bracelet like handcuffs on? If he was supposedly "kidnapped" by Scott meaning he himself was not a criminal then why is it he's being held like a criminal? And before you say S.H.I.E.L.D. might be worried he'd activate his powers just like every mutant when they first get their powers he can't control them and that doesn't make handcuffing him and locking him in a room okay and Dazzler, being a mutant, should understand this.

I love the current Scott and defend him but he IS a criminal. He is a fugitive that escaped prison. He didnt wait for a trial and was never cleared of any of his charges. The only way for him to be a free man is to get an official pardon at this point, but fleeing the authorities and acting like a vigilante isnt helping his case. He cant just proceed to be free without going to the proper legal channels to make it happen, even if he is doing good.

And technically he did kidnap Fabio as well as the other underaged teenagers bc he had no consent from their parents to take them. Xavier got away with this back in the day bc his students were admitted to the school by their families. Scott never got such consent so thats another crime he's committed. Unless they are emancipated, of legal age or have no legal guardian, then these kids cant decide for themselves to take up with a known criminal.

I agree with this. I still think Scott should face some kind of punishment for what he did during AvX. But everything he's done after has only been trying to help mutants. And it's not like he's keeping any of them hostage. Anyone of them is capable of leaving, just like Fabio, if they want to. They just choose not to. And after what happened to Fabio I highly doubt any of them will be trying to leave again.

 

[Havok83]

While this does make sense it still paints S.H.I.E.L.D. as the bad guy. Remember they made mention that Fabio was only 16. So if they were only questioning him why is he locked in a cell like room with bracelet like handcuffs on? If he was supposedly "kidnapped" by Scott meaning he himself was not a criminal then why is it he's being held like a criminal? And before you say S.H.I.E.L.D. might be worried he'd activate his powers just like every mutant when they first get their powers he can't control them and that doesn't make handcuffing him and locking him in a room okay and Dazzler, being a mutant, should understand this.

It was an interrogation room, not a cell. Where was he supposed to be questioned, his home? His father pulling a gun on her, made it a hostile situation. She took him to a controlled environment, away from outside interference (well she didn't expect Scott's group to teleport in there). The cuffs didn't help, as he still managed to attack her with his powers. I thought they were power dampeners at first which would have made more sense but that wasn't the case.

I agree with this. I still think Scott should face some kind of punishment for what he did during AvX. But everything he's done after has only been trying to help mutants. And it's not like he's keeping any of them hostage. Anyone of them is capable of leaving, just like Fabio, if they want to. They just choose not to. And after what happened to Fabio I highly doubt any of them will be trying to leave again.

How does SHIELD or anyone know that? Because Scott says so in pre-recorded messages he leaks out? At this point he is a criminal and they have no reason to believe his word which is why they are going to those in his camp, like Dazzler did in this issue to learn more about whats going on and gain perspective on Scott.

 

[blalex620]

It was an interrogation room, not a cell. Where was he supposed to be questioned, his home? His father pulling a gun on her, made it a hostile situation. She took him to a controlled environment, away from outside interference (well she didn't expect Scott's group to teleport in there). The cuffs didn't help, as he still managed to attack her with his powers. I thought they were power dampeners at first which would have made more sense but that wasn't the case.

You keep saying his father pulling a gun. Look at what you keep saying, HIS FATHER, not Fabio. If the FBI came to your house to question you and your father pulled a gun on them and told them to get out who do you think they'll arrest: you or your father? What I'm saying is what S.H.I.E.L.D. did makes them look like the bad guy because Fabio gave them no reason to.

If you're okay with being held like that for "questioning" then I feel sorry for you. Because if you only want to "question" me then there's no need for a neck collar and for my hands to be tied behind a chair.

How does SHIELD or anyone know that? Because Scott says so in pre-recorded messages he leaks out? At this point he is a criminal and they have no reason to believe his word which is why they are going to those in his camp, like Dazzler did in this issue to learn more about whats going on and gain perspective on Scott.

That's the problem. S.H.I.E.L.D. is so focused on stopping Scott that they keep failing to realize why Scott is doing what he's doing. Scott wouldn't have to be doing any of this stuff if mutants weren't being arrested and almost killed when their mutant powers activate. And S.H.I.E.L.D. is ignoring all of this and not doing a thing about it because it's labeled as "the mutant problem." In terms of Uncanny X-Men, S.H.I.E.L.D. is the bad guy.

 

[Havok83]

You keep saying his father pulling a gun. Look at what you keep saying, HIS FATHER, not Fabio. If the FBI came to your house to question you and your father pulled a gun on them and told them to get out who do you think they'll arrest: you or your father? What I'm saying is what S.H.I.E.L.D. did makes them look like the bad guy because Fabio gave them no reason to.

No I haven't. I only wrote that once, in the post you quoted. You dont know that Fabio's father wasnt arrested; the scene ends there. Fabio's father being arrested or not, doesnt change the fact taht he has nothing to offer SHIELD; Fabio does, which is why the follow up scene involved us seeing Fabio questioned. Fabio's father could have been dropped off at the county jail for all we know. All that is irrelevant to the story which is why it wanst worthy picking up after that opening scene.

If you're okay with being held like that for "questioning" then I feel sorry for you. Because if you only want to "question" me then there's no need for a neck collar and for my hands to be tied behind a chair.

I dont have mutant powers, so thats not something id have to worry about. I also dont aid and abet known criminals, who have been arrested for murder and compromised the safety of the country/world

That's the problem. S.H.I.E.L.D. is so focused on stopping Scott that they keep failing to realize why Scott is doing what he's doing. Scott wouldn't have to be doing any of this stuff if mutants weren't being arrested and almost killed when their mutant powers activate. And S.H.I.E.L.D. is ignoring all of this and not doing a thing about it because it's labeled as "the mutant problem." In terms of Uncanny X-Men, S.H.I.E.L.D. is the bad guy.

The Uncanny Avengers were created specifically to deal with the "mutant problems" so its not like that side is doing nothing, unlike how things were pre-AvX. The X-men (Wolverine and Storm's groups) are dealing with mutant issues, so mutants have mutants in a position of power to fight for them and offer them sanctuary. Unlike Scott, they are doing it legally and not as fugitives. Like i said, Scott isnt doing himself any favors fighting the authroities and acting like a vigilante. I believe he was innocent of the events of AvX, but he waived his right to clear his name by running and refusing to stand trial. Until he turns himself in, he is nothing but a criminal, no matter what he does, good or bad.

 

[def28]

Dazzler should have fried Goldballs. Hate that guy.

Eva's kinda cool, but overall I have not really dug these new characters in Uncanny X-Men. Like the WATX kids alot more minus a few (Snot Boy wtf?). At least in the way they are written.

Would really like to see a Magik/Doc Strange spinn off or mini.

 

[blalex620]

Dazzler should have fried Goldballs. Hate that guy.

Eva's kinda cool, but overall I have not really dug these new characters in Uncanny X-Men. Like the WATX kids alot more minus a few (Snot Boy wtf?). At least in the way they are written.

Would really like to see a Magik/Doc Strange spinn off or mini.

A Magik/Strange mini detailing their training session would be really cool. Ahhhh, how we dream.

 

[def28]

Yeah, that would be aweosme. I love Magik in this book, she's been my favorite part by far.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Axel-in-Charge just confirmed that there are big plans for Gambit post his ongoing title and Astonishing X-Men. He's apparently joining a team that he's never been a part of before. I'm thinking Uncanny Avengers, but people are also predicting Secret Avengers and a relaunched X-Factor.

 

[runawayboulder]

It's prob going to be Uncanny Avengers. They're supposed to have a roster shake up soon.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Plus, Rogue's there and they're dealing with Apocalypse stuff, which Gambit has in his past.

 

[def28]

I'd like to see Remender write Gambit, thought I read round the net he doesn't like the character though.

 

[squeekness]

axel-in-charge just confirmed that there are big plans for gambit post his ongoing title and astonishing x-men. He's apparently joining a team that he's never been a part of before. I'm thinking uncanny avengers, but people are also predicting secret avengers and a relaunched x-factor.

Great happiness and joy for Squeeks!