X-Men - Part 6

[BoredGuy]

well hey, whatever, to each their own
it can be any lineup for all I care, as long as the O5 are no longer in the modern timeline

 

[Havok83]

the boys need to go back but Im fine with Jean Grey as no other version of her exists. Yeah I know Cyclops is "dead" but I need to full story on that as Im sure he will be back. Ive given hope on Jean but at least they are doing new and different things with this teen version. She actually feels like her own character whereas the boys just seem like redundant extensions of their older selves

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ideally tho

I would love it if the O5 were kicked back to their own damn time
and replaced by:

Hellion, Rockslide, Anole, Quentin Quire, Genesis, Idie, X-23, and Broo

I concur.. anything but the 05... they've overstayed their welcome

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, my bad. I meant 00s.




I didn't pick the Xorns because of how relevant they were as much as because no other male was MORE relevant. I'm starting to question myself on that though. Juggernaut had the same amount of exposure as Xorn in Austen's run, so they MIGHT be tied... though Juggy's time has since been ignored as having never really happened, whereas Xorn's influence is still being dealt with hit and miss (currently in Uncanny X-Men).

The one that makes me think I was wrong though is Northstar. He's actually joined the team 3 times in the 00s (or maybe late 90s?) during Eve of Destruction, Chuck Austen's run, and Mike Carey's run. The thing though is that he was always a side character appearing in a lower tier X-Book. His biggest was probably Austen's Uncanny though he was quickly moved to a background character there, but then he joined in Carey's X-Men book behind Whedon's Astonishing and Brubaker's Uncanny. Then he was moved to Liu's Astonishing X-Men where he got some prominant time due to his marriage, but even that was what... a 4th tier X-Book?

But still... he might be the most prominant new male X-Men character of the 00s (though not an actual new character).



I agree on all of this (save Hope Summers... I never felt she had a future). There really hasn't been an interesting new X-Man since Bishop in the early 90s. Xorn was probably the closest attempt during Morrison's New X-Men run, but the rug was pulled out of that when he was revealed to be Magneto. The retcon of it NOT being Magneto came too late and Xorn faded away as a gimick character.

Do you know who I think could have rose like Gambit and Bishop did in the 90s? Hellion. He was a dude with a bad attitude that started showing some major leadership and heroic traits during Kyle and Yost's run. He showed potential to become the next Cyclops/Cannonball type of character... but that faded as soon as Kyle and Yost left.

Back in the mid-00s, I wanted warpath to breakout. Like first, the other two Thunderbirds didn't last long enough to be part of the team and I just think visually, he looks good enough though super-strength is quite a generic mutant power. But after his two story-arcs in Uncanny X-Men, he pretty much faded into background especially when almost every mutant went to Utopia. It would have been nice if he became popular to the team especially in less than a decade, he appeared in a X-Men movie.

And oh yeah I remember Hellion, because I love New X-Men, I thought it had so much potential but Marvel just ended that series in a freaking cross-over issue and not a proper one, I hated it when they did that.

 

[Havok83]

Back in the mid-00s, I wanted warpath to breakout. Like first, the other two Thunderbirds didn't last long enough to be part of the team and I just think visually, he looks good enough though super-strength is quite a generic mutant power. But after his two story-arcs in Uncanny X-Men, he pretty much faded into background especially when almost every mutant went to Utopia. It would have been nice if he became popular to the team especially in less than a decade, he appeared in a X-Men movie.

And oh yeah I remember Hellion, I love New X-Men but I just hated how they ended that series with a freaking cross-over and not a proper final title.

Are you discrediting his time in X-force? Because he didnt fade into that background after UXM. He got moved to there and that was a pretty high profile book. It wasnt till that book ended that he faded into the Utopia background before becoming a main X-men again in Regenesis. As far as 00 recruits, I would definitely say he was prominent

 

[psylockolussus]

I didn't pick up X-Force so I was merely referring to the X-Men titles at that time (Uncanny, Legacy, Astonishing and Adjectiveless).

I also think the constant change of writers after like a dozen of issues was another reason why the X-Men didn't have so many new prominent members at that time. When a new writer started his first story-arc, the writer changed the line-up, put someone new to the team and after a couple of story-arcs (1 to 3), that writer is replaced, and the cycle repeats.

 

[Havok83]

I didn't pick up X-Force so I was merely referring to the X-Men titles at that time (Uncanny, Legacy, Astonishing and Adjectiveless)

Oh okay. It was great for fans of James. He was awesome in it and was a good move for his character at the time.

 

[JewishHobbit]

It was a good series if you can get past the "murder death kill" thing. I struggled with that because that isn't X-Men to me, but the story itself was good.

 

[Havok83]

The only ones that bothered me were Elixir, Warpath and Cyclops. Elixir didn't kill until he was forced to in Necrosha so that wasn't too bad. James....killing seemed off based on past characterization. Scott wasn't on the team but he assembled them and acted as their overall leader. He sanctioning murder was a big wtf. X-23, Wolverine, Vanisher, Domino and Archangel though? These were killers so they killing didn't phase me

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, you're right. Elixer didn't bother me so much because he was still young and impressionable. And he was also just coming off of killing Stryker in New X-Men. Warpath maybe... but Cylcops I had major issues with. He was supposed to be the ideal other X-Men lived up to (in my mind). Morrison's take on Scott ruined a lot for me, but that period completely destroyed whatever I had left. I mean, I'm glad he came to his senses after that (though Wolverine kept it going in secret), but it still should have never happened.

Wolverine did bother me though because a big character arc for him has always been overcoming his animal urges and not giving in to the beast. Then he willingly just goes nutso stabby stabby for a while... and it's considered good. I feel like that was something he would have challenged a great deal more.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I concur.. anything but the 05... they've overstayed their welcome

Yep. Their presence is holding back any new, young X-Men from becoming true stars.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah, you're right. Elixer didn't bother me so much because he was still young and impressionable. And he was also just coming off of killing Stryker in New X-Men. Warpath maybe... but Cylcops I had major issues with. He was supposed to be the ideal other X-Men lived up to (in my mind). Morrison's take on Scott ruined a lot for me, but that period completely destroyed whatever I had left. I mean, I'm glad he came to his senses after that (though Wolverine kept it going in secret), but it still should have never happened.

Wolverine did bother me though because a big character arc for him has always been overcoming his animal urges and not giving in to the beast. Then he willingly just goes nutso stabby stabby for a while... and it's considered good. I feel like that was something he would have challenged a great deal more.

This is why I feel K/Y's run was fun in a "I wanna see some dark s**t happen in an X-Men Comic" Elseworlds kinda way
But Remender's run was a thousand percent better in pretty much every aspect

 

[Havok83]

I thought K/Y was pretty solid and consistent from beginning to end. Remender's run was awesome right through the Dark Angel saga. It should have ended at that as he lost me with the stuff that followed. I thought the Otherworld arc was not that interesting.

 

[javi1024]

That's an odd definition. X-Force, X-Factor, New Mutants type books all count as X-Books. Why would you need more than one actual X-Men team? It seems having each team be different is a good thing, not something to dismiss everything but one.

I'm not dismissing those title. I love that they all have a clear identity (much more so than X-books have in the recent years). I was just stating my distaste of marvel calling all these books "X-Men" when only one of them feels like the proper X-Men team/book. I would've titled Uncanny X-Men what it is, X-Force, and All-New X-Men something else. All-New X-Factor? Like how the O5 first evolved in titles? I dunno.

 

[Mad Ones]

I wish I knew what the status quo was like in Extraordinary. What's day to day life like living in Limbo? They make a huge location change and then have all of the stories away from the school. Is it the Jean Grey school still or is the name Xavier again? The X-books need some serious development.

 

[javi1024]

Unfortunately I feel Extraordinary is the weaker of the 3 X-books for reasons like that. It has my favorite X-Men but I'm the least invested in it because none of the plot points their on are grabbing me. I was much more interested in Anole talking to Iceman or Jean talking to/recruiting Logan.

 

[psylockolussus]

So I just read Uncanny X-Men vol. 4 #1 to #7 and I cannot believe that I actually missed reading comics, its been so long. This is also my first time reading a X-Men comic book where M is a member of the X-Men so its cool, I don't really know her and she seems alright. I don't know if I would to binge read that the ones I missed since 2011, like there's so many to read but I'm sticking to reading Uncanny X-Men vol #4. It kinda sucks that Elixir was killed like I expected it because I read some spoilers before but it happened too soon, just 1 issue and I loved New X-Men. Seeing Psylocke use the cerebro was cool. Seeing Shen Xorn was cool. I don't know whats the deal with Mystique and Fantomex. I hope they'll reveal whats the deal with killing these mutants with healing powers soon... like the last two issues focused on another thing after Triage was saved and after they went to Limbo/Savage Land and I don't know whats going there in Morlocks, like Empath again? Thats like one of the last issues I read from Legacy.

Question, so after decimation, there were only 198 mutants then when Hope was born, more new mutants came...but now Terrigen Mist released from the atmosphere/M-Pox are killing all mutants and there were 60 mutants dead from Genosha... so how many mutants are out there now? Like at least 1,000? Because since Five Lights I've noticed a lot of new faces, even the Triage guy is new to me. I'm liking this Uncanny X-Men issues, but the latest issue is the one that I enjoyed the least, like the stuff with Angel.

I'm reading Extraodinary X-Men next... I don't know if I'll read All New X-Men.

 

[Havok83]

M is one of the best mutant character created in the last 25 years. She was AWESOME in Generation X. I didnt read X-factor but I appreaciate PAD for keeping her semi-relevant whereas the rest of that time faded off into limbo

 

[JewishHobbit]

Sadly, Monet and Emma were always my least favorite Generation Xers. It's a shame that they're the two who've advanced the most. I literally felt like every other member of the team were better, more interesting characters. Sucks for me.

 

[psylockolussus]

So I just read the entire Extraordinary X-Men, well up to the latest issue... well I prefer Uncanny. I'm just not into Old Man Logan, Teen Jean and that Cerebra robot. Not really interested into the story and I'm actually forgetting it now which is weird, they are like finding mutants and there's trouble in weirdworld and somehow they all time traveled to the future. But I liked Iceman's scene with Anole. And I feel stupid because I thought the teen Iceman was the only gay Iceman, I didn't realize that the Iceman in the present is also gay and been keeping it secret for so long... and it kinda makes sense because I don't remember him a having a serious girlfriend in the comics, like he doesn't have a pairing like Emma/Scott, Gambit/Rogue, Polaris/Havok. I know that sounds silly of me, but it is still a revelation to me. Iceman is one of my faves so I liked that they give that to him and I also read Uncanny 600 and I liked that he found Angel hot because Angel is like the one of the hottest in the X-Men! I liked that Storm is leading the team. I hope they'll showcase Sunfire more, when was the last time that he was actually a member of the X-Men? I hope the story improves, because I'm having a hard time remembering a lot of it especially I read all 9 issues in like less than 24 hours.

I also tried reading the past comics, like I read few pages of Amazing X-Men issue #1 but knowing Nightcrawler's state as of the now, I don't really feel reading it anymore even if its just 19 issues. Maybe I'll try to read All new X-Men 2.0 next. But I think its safe to say that I am back to reading X-Men comics regularly, like with the main two titles, Extraordinary/Uncanny, I'll be reading every new issue from now on.

 

[psylockolussus]

So Okay, I finished All New X-Men. So this is also part of the X-Men team because I didn't see them interact with Psylocke's team and Storm's team?

Anyway, the series is alright but I don't like X-23 (Wolverine) and Angel together and I don't know whats the deal with his fire wings. I prefer the feather wings. The teen Cyclops is so whiny and weak, I just felt like he was easily beat up by that Thirst mutant and I just think he's very depressing and I don't want to see more of that. Seeing Blob and Toad was cool, I felt like it was a like nod to the 60s. Then Beast, I really hope he could find a way to for them to go back to their time, I feel like they already overstayed and they should wrap this series with them going back to their time.

For me, with these current regular titles, its Uncanny > All-New > Extraordinary. Extraordinary is just forgettable to me for some reason. Uncanny is the best out of three, except for Mystique/Fantomex, I like what they are doing with Psylocke and company. All-New is okay but I really dont want to see Iceman and company as young kids again. The kid Apocalypse and Peebles are new to me (though I have heard Kid apocalypse before) but there are so 2.0/cutie version of Apocalypse/Nightcrawler. While Oya feels kinda out of place in the roster and I don't like X-23 wearing that Wolverine costume.

I kinda miss seeing Rogue, Emma, Polaris, Cyclops, Gambit and even Wolverine but compare to the last time that I quit reading comics, I think these trio of comics is a bit of an improvement from 2010-2011. All the artworks are nice, even Greg Land (who makes everyone smile and pose all the time). Back in 2010-2011 I just hated that like I had to buy 3-4 X-books per month and the characters overlap and the never-ending cross-overs that I had to buy more titles for the cross-over just not to get lost. But now I feel good returning to reading comics, I just hope the story-arcs would be more interesting and memorable.

 

[Sithborg]

You can blame Bendis for the fire wings. Something weird happened during a GOTG crossover.

Pickles is a Bamf. Highly suggested that you read Aaron's Wolverine and the X-men. Also some good stuff for Oya and Evan there.

 

[Havok83]

I dont mind the fire wings. It set him apart from older Warren while being a throwback to the awesome energy wings he had for an issue back in the 90s

 

[Mike Murdock]

You can blame Bendis for the fire wings. Something weird happened during a GOTG crossover.

Wasn't he in charge of that event?

 

[Sithborg]

Yes, he liked to cross them over because he was writing both books.

The fire wings don't bother me, as it sets up interesting possibilities with the timelines, setting the up from being from an alternate reality.

I do wonder when they are going to out right state what Cyclops did when he died.