X-Men: The Last Stand - Scene By Scene

[XCX]

Basically at this point begins the endless cross questioning that is rather pointless and goes on forever as if anyone could change my mind.. thats the bottom line imo.

 

[XCX]

If X3 were just a little worse, I could say the exact same thing. Also, knock it the **** off telling me that I can't appreciate the difference between the comics and the movies. I do. If I didn't, I'd have hated Singer's movies. Instead, X2 is my favorite comic movie. There's literal translation, and there's being faithful.

Hate to say this but your balance youre looking for is all in your head. Its called coincidence.

And every trillion fanatic has their varied little interpretation of what is the essence of the characters so that one day the crew will write something that can be quite brilliant and they can throw a fit. The writers expressed their valid different pov on the essence of the dark phoenix saga. Instead fans declared them heretics and told them they were wrong. Essentially what this is: set the trap, and be able to browbeat the filmverse at a whim. Unacceptable. You cant make films that way.

 

[gambitfire]

There is a slight pattern for that, and this is usually where the conversation gets controversial. Much like the batman begins forum "discussion" I had months ago. Sometimes, the image of the comic book properties locks an audience into expecting very over the top, campy fun. So with some franchises, they have no choice but to deliver a film of such nature. This doesnt mean this view on adaptations is the "best" way to acheive it. There are two ways to go about it. The camp style usually more like the comics: Fantastic 4, Spiderman etc. The filmverse style: batman begins, superman returns, hulk.

Ok you're kinda ranting on and not really stating your point to what i had said.

Can you be more specific on what this is remarks too?

Umm i would never expect campy fun from characters like Batman and Hulk, actually i wouldn't expect it from F4 and SM either maybe i would more than the others in a now and then joke kinda of way but they all have a seriousness to them.

If there were directors who were simply told to always follow the same pattern of over the top and silly fun, there would definitely be a creative limit on behalf of the directors, the essence of the comics become throwaway fun to the average folks.

WTH are you talking about?

i don't recall stating anything on wanting this. You're getting confusing.

or are you just saying it too say it?

Now this is all fine and well, but there is another side to the adaptation coin that have different techniques to take the source material and minimize the fiction.

That's fine i clearly said i had nothing against that.

It keeps things a bit more relatable to keep a different type of viewers attention, because there are millions of folks, me included that respond better to things more believable based. It brings out the texture and/or SUBSTANCE for these types, which to many people does far more compliment and pays the highest respect to the source than keeping it as is.

That's great but most characterization has no need to be altered and made realistic... most of it already is. Especially for characters who have been around for 30+ years.

That technique is used by many scifi/fiction directors (Cameron, Mctiernan, Singer, Nolan) and its a style that often clashes with comic fanatics. This style shouldnt retire because a perhaps temporary trend says people want closer to comics. In other words, fanatics are narrow minded and dont think through how various filmstyles work or if they have a right to exist. So the art is more important often than getting the utmost sales if a trend changes imo.

What style? the realism?
I assure you i'm not narrow minded Hell i was one of those who was fighting for Ratner before X3 came out i was actually enthusiastic to go see it until about a week before when i started getting all the real reviews and spoilers then i saw the truth for myself on that may midnight showing.

As for the realism well some comic book stories already touch upon it themselves but even then these are comic book movies so they are far fetched to begin with.

And thats a derogatory term for filmverse that is rubbish. XINO, CINO etc. Similarly, the flaw in this thinking is thinking catwoman sucked because it deviated from the comics.... it sucked because it sucked. Get it good. Scapegoats are ignorant.

I though it sucked because it sucked too, i didn't care that it deviated it was ment to be a different catwoman i got that but it sucked.

Hell IMO Elektra was somewhat closer than most CB films but it still lacked as a film.

 

[gambitfire]

Basically at this point begins the endless cross questioning that is rather pointless and goes on forever as if anyone could change my mind.. thats the bottom line imo.

No one is trying to change your mind you're the one constantly quoting everyone countering there every opinion so don't act like some kind of victim please that act got old long ago.

 

[XCX]

that act got old long ago.

So did taking this place seriously. For the record, im getting a kick out of this. Debating is so easy when you know youre correct.

 

[Goddessreicho]

^-- Most self-deluded people think they are. :P

 

[XCX]

Much like many folks on this forum. All of the arguments you spew at regular folks apply to yourselves and yet you dont realize it. Its quite interesting.

 

[gambitfire]

lol you're hysterical.

So how are the voices in your head doing?

 

[Goddessreicho]

Well I'm rubber and your glue! Oooh this is fun.

And I suggest that, you and The Guard look inward before starting to point fingers and make an attempt at a stab.

ACK! Not you Gambitfire and LSB. Ya'll are cool, even tho we don't agree. I have nothing but warm hugs and love for you two.

It's XCX that needs some Hype social lessons.

 

[gambitfire]

Well I'm rubber and your glue! Oooh this is fun.

And I suggest that, you and The Guard look inward before starting to point fingers and make an attempt at a stab.

Hey goddess let's talk behind there backs.ooooohhhh!!!

 

[XCX]

This is pretty much the level it got to in the begins forum too... mass ignorance of fanatics and swearing they can disrespect peoples tastes and talented film makers and a fan like me wont respond. When someone calls them out on it.. the chain reaction is like magic

yawn

 

[gambitfire]

Moving on before the stupidity rubs off and onto.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

So did taking this place seriously. For the record, im getting a kick out of this. Debating is so easy when you know youre correct.

What the **** makes your opinion any righter than mine? If you're so goddamn sure that you're right, then why don't you just leave? I'm not here to ****ing entertain you, especially if you're going to continue being an arrogant ass. Goodbye.

EDIT: And Brett Ratner isn't a talented filmmaker by a long shot. He's a businessman.

 

[Goddessreicho]

I hear stupidity and ignorance rubs off. Omg, let me go get my HAZMAT suit.

Lol, its squeeky.

You want one too, gf?

 

[XCX]

What the **** makes your opinion any righter than mine?

Not you, but others. Common sense makes me feel im right. Its a beautiful thing. Cuts through bs 100% of the time.

I hear stupidity and ignorance rubs off.

If thats the case i wouldve been talking like lots here by now.


Ok... this whole discussion is an example of not sugarcoating anything. It gets nasty. If i were nicer, you guys could be nasty toward us and nothing would happen. X-Maniac, TheGuard, you guys come here day in and out and actually dignify this stuff and sugar your speech, i must commend you for it

 

[gambitfire]

I hear stupidity and ignorance rubs off. Omg, let me go get my HAZMAT suit.

Lol, its squeeky.

You want one too, gf?

Sure, oh wait i have to find my commons sense i think i lost it some where around here.

OH look XCX took it.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

That doesn't even make any sense. I'm done playing games with you. *ignore*

 

[gambitfire]

That doesn't even make any sense. I'm done playing games with you. *ignore*

I would do it but he's just so entertaining every village needs it's clown, for a more polite use of characters.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Hey Gambit, look at that XCX done scared off Boba who could have agrred with him had he not gone off the deep end.

Btw, I don't like talking behind people's backs. Its way more fun to talk about them right in front of them. It's evil.

I feel like a sports commentator in a plastic hazmat suit. Is yours as squeeky as mine?

What did you think of my Scotty a couple of pages back?

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

Anyway...I know you're not online right now, Nell, but I'll compare notes with you once you've posted everything. t:

 

[gambitfire]

Mine didn't bring a zipper...........i have too pee.

Anywas i'm taking a break, work is boring so i'll be back in 15 minutes.

Don't have too much fun without me.

 

[XCX]

Oh we wont

Its not really Boba whos the focus of this interesting debate, he just butted in about a certain source material illusion he had about the originals. Its clear from the dvds that singer mustve done that inadvertently to a few people because tons say he botched the filmverse, much like goddessreicho says. Doesnt make sense. Oh well.

So you see, when 1 side is nasty, no problem, when both talk exactly like the other, hell breaks loose.

 

[XCX]

better shallow cheap crap pointless stupid

I'm no fan of crap. You apprently are.

It seems the people that speak up in a sea of arrogance are the ones that get the most negative attention. Could it be that everyones so used to this that the standout is when someone questions it? Thats not a good thing. Apparently its commonplace to be incredibly nasty fanboys

Proud to stand up for my tastes and not just see it demeaned day in and out.

 

[gambitfire]

Funny thing is the threads where "disrespect took place" where threads pertaining too those who disliked the film.

I never attacked Maniac or Guard out of nowhere, both of them argued there points but insisted on continuing to argue them even though they stated them as opinions in a thread where we really would not care for their opinions.

Oh and seriously the victim act.....it's over.

understanding and patience side?

Iv'e heard the points i don't agree with them. I for one state i don't agree with them why must others continue to counter respond as if they where trying to prove someone's opinion wrong.

You have yet to truly explain anything you posted a couple of things on this thread that's it you never answered back some of my questions.

No one group is being disrespected, both are, clearly you are disrespecting us.

Oh and even before you did there where others too who did it so because you stand on one side does not make it the right side, i'm sorry if you're ego does not let you see that.

I'm not calling and never have called those who loved this film wrong i simply disagree with them.

 

[XCX]

Funny thing is the threads where "disrespect took place" where threads pertaining too those who disliked the film.

I never attacked Maniac or Guard out of nowhere, both of them argued there points but insisted on continuing to argue them even though they stated them as opinions in a thread where we really would not care for their opinions.

As if thats the only thread.. ive been to the batman begins forums as well... and expressing distaste over batmans tights or calling his comic outfit underwear started a flamewar much like this one.. many of you guys need to get a grip. Many fans with very exclusive povs here simply have argumentative povs, dont blame the average person for conflicting with it.

Oh and seriously the victim act.....it's over.

More cliches..give me a break. What you need to do is stop pretending fanatics on here are so innocent.

I'm not calling and never have called those who loved this film wrong i simply disagree with them.

There are also other posters, and ive seen them post throughout several months. Thats bs and you know it. The strong language used is pretty much the language used here. Fair apparently isnt fair if youre a non nitpicker. I figured id get with the program for once

If you can pull that then i can simply state now that i simply disagree with certain posters that their povs are logical.. yet were pointing me out...hmmmm

Fair is fair. Lets see if this board is fair.