X3 vs Hulk

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I gotta go with HULK. It was sort of a letdown......but I thought it was solid.

 

[The Kid]

I think that it'll go down in history as the best hulk movie ever made long after most of these other more popular comicbook movies are forgotten. I just feel it in my gut. There's something about ang's flm that we'll hunger to see other director's try to do in the future.

But that's not to say it doesn't have a few problems.

It has this heavy weight to scenes that can be a little too sullen and bland in places and that's what I thin they're looking to rectify with the sequel. It'll be the rousing action fest that hulk was marketed as.

 

[zanos]

Hulk was just absolute garbage. It failed as a drama, it failed as a comic book adaptation and it failed in it's overrall ability to entertain and that includes action.

 

[cryptic name]

the action in Hulk was solid. the rest of it was meh. still much better than X3 though

 

[Erzengel]

What Marvel movies aren't better than X3?

Let's see Elektra, maybe Blade Trinity.

And I think maybe FF vs. X3 is the only fair comparison.

 

[Sentinel X]

Hulk was AMAZING...I personally liked it. Yeah they had a lot of "talk" scenes...but thoses scenes had a good story and it was quite interesting in finding out about Bruce imo.

X3 sucked, SUCKED, SUCKED!!!!...It was a humungo dissappointment

 

[Spade]

In my humble opinion Hulk far surpasses X3, and it has nothing to do with X3 being a trilogy-ender for me. When my cousin invited me to watch it the second time my opinion of the film grew even greater. When I watched X3 I knew about halfway through this would be one of the films I didn't find myself watching again voluntarily. My dad brought me X3 as a present, yet my opinion has yet to been swayed by the rewatches. Often times I find myself skipping ahead to the scenes I enjoy watching in X3, which are seldom in number. I can't find myself doing the same watching Hulk. Almost every scene is cinematically amazing. Ang Lee truly understands the concept of The Hulk being more than a monster and Bruce Banner being more than a Hulkout excuse. That he didn't have The Hulk screaming "HULK SMASH!" with a lisp and demolishing cars for no apparent reason made me respect the film even more.

Yes, the dog scene is a valid reason to complain about- but what are you going to do? I'll give you this on X3- at least the X-Men have a huge roster of villains. The Hulk has a rogue gallery that consists of two people: The Abomination and The Leader. Everyone else is irrelevant. That he used the gamma-irradiated dogs and The Father (David Banner transformed) didn't dampen it for me, though I wish he extended the actual fight to make The Father feel like a real contender. X3 was directed by a person who, in comparison, had little foresight for the characterization opportunities he was eroding away with action sequence after action sequence. The action sequences themselves weren't very spectacular- the only action sequence I liked that didn't look horribly choreographed was the psychic battle at the Grey house, and even that was underscored by the underwhelming Phoenix climax at the end of the film (which was boring even when I was still in the theater seat watching it). The fight outside of the Grey house and Alcatraz are excellent examples- The Juggernaut and Wolverine fight looked immensely fake, and the Alcatraz fight is one immense attempt to inject in as many needless characters as possible as quickly as possible to create a 'war' atmosphere. The film tries to cover this up with meaningless deaths that still don't validate the cinematic bore nor the shoddy plot twists.

When it comes down to it, Hulk is a much better film of the two to me. It understood the core concepts behind the character and did justice to them, was suported by awe-inspiring CGI and a great score, and overall felt much more interesting than X3. I understood just about every hollow attempt at characterization in X3 the first time through, and that characters like Wolverine and Storm take the forefront while the supporting cast is vastly neglected only brings it up in a glaring light. The only reason I can find behind hating Hulk is that it was verbally cerebral, and I like that in my films. That other people call it 'boring' just furthers my belief that the intelligence of film audiences as well as the capacity of people in general to understand things that aren't laid out in front or accompanied by an explosion is taking a sharp decline.

 

[Dan33977]

HULK. Easily.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I think that it'll go down in history as the best hulk movie ever made long after most of these other more popular comicbook movies are forgotten. I just feel it in my gut. There's something about ang's flm that we'll hunger to see other director's try to do in the future.

But that's not to say it doesn't have a few problems.

It has this heavy weight to scenes that can be a little too sullen and bland in places and that's what I thin they're looking to rectify with the sequel. It'll be the rousing action fest that hulk was marketed as.

IMO, Louis Letterier is going to own Angs film

Letterier has made some decent flicks in his short career, and is a portege' of Luc Besson who, that is about a good a man to be a protege to in film today.

I watched it for the first time in 3 years I believe, it's better then I was giving it credit for, still far worse then most people on here are giving it credit for. Now, I rather liked the refreshing X3, what I didn't like about X3 was the same stuff I didn't like about the other 2, and it had 100 times the action, and 400 times the usefully use of mutant powers. Insaying that I think Hulk for me goes in the second echelon of Superhero movies, in which I put the Burton Batmans, Hellboy, and X3, among others. In my book it still is nowhere close to Spidermans, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, Road to Perdition, and the first two Superman movies, definatly better then SR, but I am glad I watched, and I am glad I was able to form a new opinion on it.

I still don't like it more then X3 tho

 

[LordSimen]

Hulk was a marvel masterpiece. Right up there with X-men 2, Spider-man 2, and the rest of the great Marvel movies.

X-men 3 was a fun movie but it lacked the intelligence of the previous movies. It no longer had a serious tone, and the story was lacking severely.

 

[Hunter Rider]

IMO, Louis Letterier is going to own Angs film

Letterier has made some decent flicks in his short career, and is a portege' of Luc Besson who, that is about a good a man to be a protege to in film today.

Ive seen his flicks and so far i can't say Ive seen much to give me hope of anything more than a 90 minute smash em up fest
Not that i blame them,Marvel has seen there is money to be made with big action and less effort so they go the banker route which is business

 

[The Kid]

IMO, Louis Letterier is going to own Angs film

Letterier has made some decent flicks in his short career, and is a portege' of Luc Besson who, that is about a good a man to be a protege to in film today.

I watched it for the first time in 3 years I believe, it's better then I was giving it credit for, still far worse then most people on here are giving it credit for. Now, I rather liked the refreshing X3, what I didn't like about X3 was the same stuff I didn't like about the other 2, and it had 100 times the action, and 400 times the usefully use of mutant powers. Insaying that I think Hulk for me goes in the second echelon of Superhero movies, in which I put the Burton Batmans, Hellboy, and X3, among others. In my book it still is nowhere close to Spidermans, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, Road to Perdition, and the first two Superman movies, definatly better then SR, but I am glad I watched, and I am glad I was able to form a new opinion on it.

I still don't like it more then X3 tho

ok. I've got absolutely nothing against getting an even better hulk movie. He's a fascinating character and I'd be overjoyed if the sequel did him justice and is a movie both his most die hard comic fans and casual fans like me can be proud of.

Lol @ last sentence :heart: :heart: :heart:

 

[X-Chick]

They're both ****.

 

[The Kid]

yeah tell me something new...

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Ive seen his flicks and so far i can't say Ive seen much to give me hope of anything more than a 90 minute smash em up fest
Not that i blame them,Marvel has seen there is money to be made with big action and less effort so they go the banker route which is business

Honestly, isn't Unleashed kind of Hulk with Jet Li instead of a big green monster, I haven't seen it (unleashed) in awhile, but from what I can remember, many of the themes are the same. And Unleashed was quite good, underated for many of the same reason you hulkamaniacs think Hulk was underated. I think Letterier is going to bring that quality mix that Ang Lee completely missed in 03, I actually see no reason why it would be purely a smash em up. Even the Transporter movies are centered around Frank Martin's themes, he lives by these rules that keep him safe, he is selfish, but smart, and the conflict arises when he goes against what he has done to stay quiet.
I think you are vastly underestimating Letterier, and Marvel, Fantastic Four was a weird movie, I still enjoy it alot, it may not be the deepest movie ever, but it's the fantastic four, outside of Ben there is really nothing in the origin story that is terribley to deep, and Ben Grimm was probably the best character in the movie.
Of all Marvel's tentpoles I think the ones they dropped the ball on where X-men, Daredevil, and Hulk, with my new found appreiciation of the Hulk I still think they had a chance to make this glorious movie that could rival Spideman in story, and entertainment, and it didn't, and the box office shows it. Most people would argue that X-men they still got it right to, it is just my personal belief that, it (X-men) is not an X-men movie, X2 was excellent, and X3 was fun.
Marvel likes going with the unhearld directors who are on the up, and up, Singer, Raimi, recently Faverau, and now Letterier. It's only when they have gone with more polished studio directors like Mark Steven Johnson, or a Ratner, who are in it for the check, and will do whatever is best for the distributor, and don't use their own vision, that a rough flick has been made.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

ok. I've got absolutely nothing against getting an even better hulk movie. He's a fascinating character and I'd be overjoyed if the sequel did him justice and is a movie both his most die hard comic fans and casual fans like me can be proud of.

Lol @ last sentence :heart: :heart: :heart:

This went over my head, mind clarifying so I can laugh out loud too?

 

[Cinemaman]

I will choose Hulk, though it was a disappointment for me.

 

[Spade]

Ive seen his flicks and so far i can't say Ive seen much to give me hope of anything more than a 90 minute smash em up fest
Not that i blame them,Marvel has seen there is money to be made with big action and less effort so they go the banker route which is business

That sentiment is the exact same reason I'm not looking forward to The Incredible Hulk. I just can't understand how half of the people pushing this into development are on the project. About the only consolation is that the storyboards were good enough to garner attention, but considering this is a Marvel that frequently thinks most of it's decisions are 'good ideas' that hasn't taken away my sinking feeling.

 

[Karea07]

Poor X3

 

[Speedball]

The Hulk I find enjoyable up till the end. X3 is a pain to sit through because you know what it should be, but it fails on so many levels trying to be what it should be.

 

[kainedamo]

When Incredible Hulk comes out...

Do you think peoples opinions of the the original will change? Do you think people will say "christ, I get it now! You can't have a film that's just a mindless smash 'em up! That's just not entertaining!".

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Hulk and X3 don't really submit to comparison except, "Which did you enjoy more?" They each try to achieve very different goals. X3 is more successful in what Ratner set out to do, but aims lower than Hulk.

 

[The Kid]

When Incredible Hulk comes out...

Do you think peoples opinions of the the original will change? Do you think people will say "christ, I get it now! You can't have a film that's just a mindless smash 'em up! That's just not entertaining!".

Yeah I wonder that too. Good characterization/acting/writing vs MTV generation CGI visuals and bombastic music.

I don't know how people will think if it's all just the latter.

 

[Apollo]

hulk had more to it, where x3 didnt, so i voted for hulk

 

[DACrowe]

Not a big fan of either. But Hulk. Hulk had excellent acting (losing Bana was the biggest mistake yet of the new movie), great character development (the best scenes were between Bruce and his father), sharp cinematography and style in terms of directional approach.

BUT the story was weak. The dogs were stupid, the climax should have been the military and the father could have sacrificed himself afterwards to let his son escape. Making it absorbing dad vs. Hulk was stupid and left a bad taste in EVERYONE'S mouth.

Not to mention lame editing that was an eye sore. I can't sand the "comic panel" editing.

But it was decent if very flawed. X3 was a horrible movie that took a **** on the comics and what the feirst two set up.